So is it just me or.....

ProPopper

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So it seems PH's are dissappearing at a higher rate then normal. whats the deal. are most companies backing out of the market before the gov gets serious or what.
 
Yup! The cats out of the bag!!! Looks like it's back to making trips to Mexico like they used to do in the 70's and 80's........................
 
Yeah we are nearing the end of most phs for sure. I hear the fda is allowing supplement companies to keep selling phs in some type of legal loophole. Basically if your knowingly selling these performance enhancing products, your making yourself a big target. Primordial took the initiative to discontinue the old prohormones and start over and release products that were compliant.
 
rulk22 said:
Yeah we are nearing the end of most phs for sure. I hear the fda is allowing supplement companies to keep selling phs in some type of legal loophole. Basically if your knowingly selling these performance enhancing products, your making yourself a big target. Primordial took the initiative to discontinue the old prohormones and start over and release products that were compliant.
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I asked a few industry people about this recently, and they all said that most of them are going away. Some companies are making final batches to use up current raws because the FDA has been visiting them, etc.
 
I've seen chems stay shelf-stable for years... just keep them in a cool dark dry place and you should be fine for quite some time.
 
gaijininjapan said:
I've seen chems stay shelf-stable for years... just keep them in a cool dark dry place and you should be fine for quite some time.
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So if I stocked up and placed them in a dresser that I never opened unless I pulled one out they could potentially last a very long time?
 
This is why you guys need to just use real ****ing gear. Your not any safer on prohormones, I'd dare to say real, legit gear is even safer, at least you know whats going in your body. This new off the wall ****, who knows whats what!!! But good old test is always good old test!! Other than the legal issues, ah yes thats the bitch of it all
 
ProPopper said:
so when stocking up on these things how long is the typical shelf life
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Depends on the product, but most can and will last 2-5 years past their expiry date if stored unopened in a cool, dark, dry place (as mentioned by gaijininjapan).

~Rosie~
 
ProPopper said:
so when stocking up on these things how long is the typical shelf life
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i imagine like any supp, just use it within a year or two and it would be good, ive used creatine before that a friend had sitting in a pantry for about 3 1/2 years and it still did what it was supposed too.
 
Rosie Chee Scott said:
Depends on the product, but most can and will last 2-5 years past their expiry date if stored unopened in a cool, dark, dry place (as mentioned by gaijininjapan).

~Rosie~
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IIRC, this can be extended further if they are vacuum sealed and frozen. Idk how I feel about freezing though. I think vacuum packing and keeping them in a black duffle bag would suffice.
 
DYEGYE said:
IIRC, this can be extended further if they are vacuum sealed and frozen. Idk how I feel about freezing though. I think vacuum packing and keeping them in a black duffle bag would suffice.
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x2 I would be a little uncomfortable freezing but vacuum sealed in a bag would be a good idea.
 
CoorsLight126 said:
This is why you guys need to just use real ****ing gear. Your not any safer on prohormones, I'd dare to say real, legit gear is even safer, at least you know whats going in your body. This new off the wall ****, who knows whats what!!! But good old test is always good old test!! Other than the legal issues, ah yes thats the bitch of it all
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I'm willing to bet most if not all PH users would prefer real gear. There's the legal issue as u mention. But ultimately I think it's mostly a matter of access.
 
frankly said:
I'm willing to bet most if not all PH users would prefer real gear. There's the legal issue as u mention. But ultimately I think it's mostly a matter of access.
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oh ok, I must misunderstand some of the prohormone guys then. I thought many were guys who didnt want to use steroids, but were looking for the next best thing. Back when that 1AD came out like 8 or 9 yrs ago I tried a couple bottles of that **** and the side effects were awful, I would never run anything like that again!!
 
nickvtec1 said:
Access and legal issues are the biggest two for me =(
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exactly, I'm sure we would all prefer real gear. but many don't have any dealer who sells to get it from. a similar scenario would be like this, idk if anyone has heard of the crap called "spice". this moron who works with me smokes it as a weed alternative, but of course he would rather smoke the real stuff, but he has no choice.
 
lorden24 said:
exactly, I'm sure we would all prefer real gear. but many don't have any dealer who sells to get it from. a similar scenario would be like this, idk if anyone has heard of the crap called "spice". this moron who works with me smokes it as a weed alternative, but of course he would rather smoke the real stuff, but he has no choice.
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Well that's the exact case in almost every case where a legal vs. illegal is available. But you might wanna tell your friend to lay off the spice. besides the fact its TERRIBLE for you compared to the real thing and costs more its a felony lol they passed the law a couple months ago. ya its still available to buy but so is four loko's and their banned lol
 
SweetLou321 said:
"spice" haha thats like the meth/coke/mdma alternatives out there hahaha
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Yes its pretty retarded it costs 2 times the real thing and I've seen people have heart attacks and other weird things and been rushed to the hospital its not worth it. Add to that the fact that marijuana depending on the amount you have is a misdemeanor and spice any amount you have is a felony now its DEFINITELY not worth it.
 
CoorsLight126 said:
oh ok, I must misunderstand some of the prohormone guys then. I thought many were guys who didnt want to use steroids, but were looking for the next best thing. Back when that 1AD came out like 8 or 9 yrs ago I tried a couple bottles of that **** and the side effects were awful, I would never run anything like that again!!
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No I think you had it right. At least for some people. Myself included, before I turned to the darkside I did plenty of PH cycles before hand, just for the fact that not only was it legal, but I felt like I could still say I wasn't "juicing" It had nothing to do with access, I never made an attempt to try and obtain access to real gear, it wasn't something I was interested in.


Things are obviously a bit different now, honestly, the AAS game is leaps and bounds beyond the PH game. And I'm not speaking just on efficacy. When you are talking AAS and reasearching and meeting dudes online to give you advice, you find that the guys who are giving you advice on AAS are far far more advanced and knowledgeable about things, about what they are talking about, about giving you the right advice and what not than when you are looking for PH advice.

Since PH's are so easily obtained, you get everyone thinking they are a hormones expert giving you advice. And since AAS requires a bit more effort to obtain and use, I feel you get more quality and solid advice when asking about it.

This is all my opinion....of course. Not knocking anyone who only wants to do PH's.
 
On the real gear thing... I would totally pin if it weren't for the legal ramifications. Those ramifications create the sourcing issue. Although, I know enough people that I'm sure if I really tried I could get my hands on what I needed. That said, it would really suck to get busted for that. I can only imagine... Doing time for a couple vials of test... What is this world coming to anyway? We teach "survival of the fittest" in schools, and yet we give money to lazy people, and ban every substance that can hurt you if abused. Why not just let the idiots eliminate themselves from the genepool, instead of encouraging them to continue?
 
nickvtec1 said:
Well that's the exact case in almost every case where a legal vs. illegal is available. But you might wanna tell your friend to lay off the spice. besides the fact its TERRIBLE for you compared to the real thing and costs more its a felony lol they passed the law a couple months ago. ya its still available to buy but so is four loko's and their banned lol
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yea i know that crap has to be horrible for you, people have winded up in the ER over it, had seizures. one death has been directly linked to it. its classified as a research chem, only research chems i would trust are the ones are just called that for legal reasons.
 
DYEGYE said:
On the real gear thing... I would totally pin if it weren't for the legal ramifications. Those ramifications create the sourcing issue. Although, I know enough people that I'm sure if I really tried I could get my hands on what I needed. That said, it would really suck to get busted for that. I can only imagine... Doing time for a couple vials of test... What is this world coming to anyway? We teach "survival of the fittest" in schools, and yet we give money to lazy people, and ban every substance that can hurt you if abused. Why not just let the idiots eliminate themselves from the genepool, instead of encouraging them to continue?
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better yet i think it would be better to just get the truth about gear out there, change the public opinion on it. i swear it's crazy how things like alcohol and tobacco are legal when so much bad is tied to it, and publicly, while things like gear get a bad face because you only hear about the worst case scenarios. is fuc*ed up.
 
Lol yea they are all bad for you, the legal versions. Im just not looking forward to the next line of legal drugs coming out.
 
nickvtec1 said:
Cool thanks =)
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NO worries :)


DYEGYE said:
IIRC, this can be extended further if they are vacuum sealed and frozen. Idk how I feel about freezing though. I think vacuum packing and keeping them in a black duffle bag would suffice.
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Vacuum sealed would be fine, and could last up to ~7 years past the expiry date - although not all, and you would have to check with the manufacturer, really. I wouldn't recommend freezing them - even if you had a liqua-vade product, maybe refrigeration, but not freezing it.

~Rosie~
 
Rosie Chee Scott said:
Vacuum sealed would be fine, and could last up to ~7 years past the expiry date - although not all, and you would have to check with the manufacturer, really.

~Rosie~
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Yeah... I've heard rumors that Epi can convert to Phera if left to sit too long. Not necessarily a bad thing if it's true, except that if you were on a cut expecting epi results and instead got wet phera gains it could lead to some rage.
 
DYEGYE said:
Yeah... I've heard rumors that Epi can convert to Phera if left to sit too long. Not necessarily a bad thing if it's true, except that if you were on a cut expecting epi results and instead got wet phera gains it could lead to some rage.
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im far from an expert and im certainly not a chemist but that just doesnt seem logical.
 
steppinRazor said:
im far from an expert and im certainly not a chemist but that just doesnt seem logical.
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Supposedly, if exposed to heat, epi can degrade to phera.
 
Heat can turn epi into phera. That's why there was such an issue with IBE's product when it first popped up.
 
so what your saying is.... if heat can turn epi in to phera then buying a bunch of it and hiding it in your moms snatch would not be a good idea?
 
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