Stacking Torem and Clomid

DYEGYE

DYEGYE

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Hey guys, I just wanted to get thoughts on stacking Clomid in with Torem for PCT of heavier, more suppressive cycles. I am designing a new protocol and I wanted to get thoughts on dosing. As of right now, this is what I've got written up:

Toco-8: x/x/x/x/x/x/x/x (starting 4 weeks prior to the end of cycle)
Torem: 0/0/0/0/90/60/60/30
Clomid: 0/0/0/0/35/35/35?/0
DAA: 0/0/0/0/3/3/3/3/3/3
Activate XT: 0/0/0/0/x/x/x/x
Erase: 0/0/0/0/0/0/3/3/3/3

Basically, it's a pretty standard PCT. The idea behind toco-8 would be to help keep the testes stimulated, so that when PCT comes to kickstart the test production they'd be good to go. Torem is pretty reliable at the prescribed dosages. I didn't know if clomid should be run higher than I have it listed at. That is the concentration in a ML at most of the research chem suppliers I've seen, and I know that when it's used as a solo PCT a lot of guys get away with 4 weeks at 50. The third week would be optional depending on side effects.


Thoughts? I thought this PCT would be good for really hardcore PH cycles, and maybe even some injectable cycles. Definitely what I would do for stuff like stacks involving super or tren, etc.
 
I don't see the point, and I know a lot don't agree, but using OTC products like Toco-8 or SA, DAA, Erase etc. to me allow us to use less of a SERM even on highly suppressive cycles. Instead of adding more to PCT, just use hcg on cycle.
 
Personally - I like this idea and was doing some research on Clomid / Torem stacks earlier this week.

I usually use only Torem - but I feel awesome on it. If it were me - I'd carry out the SERM stuff for 6 weeks.

Quick question though - what increases test the most and the fastest? Clomid or Torem?
 
This PCT would be for a cycle I designed a while back. It's basically an SD-Epi bridge with LMG added

SD 20/20/30/0/0/0
Epi 0/0/45/45/45/45
LMG 50/50/50/50/50/75

The other thought behind adding clomid was to stave off progestin issues.

Also, from what I saw, Clomid has a stronger affinity for increasing LH and FSH, hence its use as a fertility treatment.
 
DYEGYE said:
This PCT would be for a cycle I designed a while back. It's basically an SD-Epi bridge with LMG added

SD 20/20/30/0/0/0
Epi 0/0/45/45/45/45
LMG 50/50/50/50/50/75

The other thought behind adding clomid was to stave off progestin issues.

Also, from what I saw, Clomid has a stronger affinity for increasing LH and FSH, hence its use as a fertility treatment.
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clomid is the better choice when dealing with compounds that have progestin issues
 
ryansm said:
I don't see the point, and I know a lot don't agree, but using OTC products like Toco-8 or SA, DAA, Erase etc. to me allow us to use less of a SERM even on highly suppressive cycles. Instead of adding more to PCT, just use hcg on cycle.
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The only thing about HCG is the access issue. I know enough people that I could probably get some if I wanted it, but I don't feel the need at this point.
 
HondaV65 said:
Personally - I like this idea and was doing some research on Clomid / Torem stacks earlier this week.

I usually use only Torem - but I feel awesome on it. If it were me - I'd carry out the SERM stuff for 6 weeks.

Quick question though - what increases test the most and the fastest? Clomid or Torem?[/QUOTE


as for which one increases test more torem is fairly new and there isnt alot of info on it.but Clomid is universally accepted as THE testosterone recovery tool. It blocks estrogen from the HPTA and stimulates the production of GNRH then initiates the production of LH, which in turn signals the testis (if not atrophied) to produce testosterone.

Aromasin will raise your testosterone levels by about 60%, and also help out your free to bound testosterone ratio by lowering levels of Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG), by about 20% (12)…SHBG is that nasty enzyme that binds to testosterone and renders it useless for building muscle


most will say that torem has way less sides then clomid but clomid is still better for recovery.
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