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Need2slin vs Recompadrol

MakaveliThaDon said:
Does anyone have a more comprehensive breakdown, or perhaps even a real good article on vanadyle? I'm interested in learning a bit more about it specifically. From what I can gather, that ingredient is the reason that it is recommended to cycle off of recompadrol after 6 weeks, correct? What if you are only taking lower 1-3 caps per day instead of all 6, would it still force you to need to cycle off it? Like I said, I don't know the intricacies of vanadyl very well, but would like to learn :)
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As far as oxo, vanadium, sulfate etc... I have used it on and off over the years - every time I use it, I'm confused because it still holds a great amount of cult following, and it's inexpensive, but I can't really tell if I'm on it or not (not to mention then all the debates over toxicity etc arise, and throws more monkey wrenches into the mix than I care to sort out).

As far as the half-life of Need 2 Slin, there are more than one additive in the mix, so I'm not sure if any one answer could suffice. I know N2S has the sodium stabilized ALA, but I remember when I researched r-ALA a while ago it peaked at 1-2 hours after oral ingestion... so it was quite slow acting. I actually dose 1g r-ALA JUST before training, so it is FULLY active when I'm done, and dose Need 2 Slin AFTER so that my post-post training meal is properly assimilated and utilized to my favor.
 
I like your posts, always informative.
 
While I have yet to try Recompadrol, I have personally used Anabolic-Pump, P-Slin, and Slin-Sane; and Need 2 Slin has without a doubt been the most effective nutrient partitioner to date. Definitely the only one that has given me noticeable strength gains!
 
hoopem6 said:
While I have yet to try Recompadrol, I have personally used Anabolic-Pump, P-Slin, and Slin-Sane; and Need 2 Slin has without a doubt been the most effective nutrient partitioner to date. Definitely the only one that has given me noticeable strength gains!
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I'm going to have to agree with that. I've done recompadrol, anabolic pump, and need 2 slin, and N2S is definitely head and shoulders above the others.

Recompadrol would be 2nd on that list for me, I do like recompadrol a low dose of recompdrol on low carb meals.
 
bumping an old thread.

I've been off the nutrient partitioners for a while now, getting some other health issues cleared up.

Can anyone comment on how need2slin compares to the others in specifically lowering your overall blood sugar level? I had a blood glucose test done while I was on recompadrol and it came back on the low side of reference range. Then I stopped taking it for the day and got a fasted one done and it was normal. So obviously recompadrol DOES lower your overall blood sugar level. Not always a pleasant thing however.

Does need2slin exhibit the same effects?

I'm guessing dosage amount is completely dependent on carb intake correct? I actually have a 100g complex carb PWO meal I'm curious to try a full 3 cap dosage at, I'm worried however of crashing an hour later.
 
MakaveliThaDon said:
bumping an old thread.

I've been off the nutrient partitioners for a while now, getting some other health issues cleared up.

Can anyone comment on how need2slin compares to the others in specifically lowering your overall blood sugar level? I had a blood glucose test done while I was on recompadrol and it came back on the low side of reference range. Then I stopped taking it for the day and got a fasted one done and it was normal. So obviously recompadrol DOES lower your overall blood sugar level. Not always a pleasant thing however.

Does need2slin exhibit the same effects?

I'm guessing dosage amount is completely dependent on carb intake correct? I actually have a 100g complex carb PWO meal I'm curious to try a full 3 cap dosage at, I'm worried however of crashing an hour later.
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I tried my first serving of need2slin with 50g carbs from oats the other night. Needless to say that was definitely not enough. Felt extremely lightheaded after that meal. I've taken just about every nutrient partitioner you can imagine - AP, glycobol, pslin, recompadrol, need2slin. Need2slin is by and large the most potent.

My recommendation of Need2Slin doseage is 1 cap for 50g c or less, 2 caps 50g +.

You can also check out this link here, where someone did a blood glucose test over a few days with need2slin
 
TheDarkHalf said:
I tried my first serving of need2slin with 50g carbs from oats the other night. Needless to say that was definitely not enough. Felt extremely lightheaded after that meal. I've taken just about every nutrient partitioner you can imagine - AP, glycobol, pslin, recompadrol, need2slin. Need2slin is by and large the most potent.

My recommendation of Need2Slin doseage is 1 cap for 50g c or less, 2 caps 50g +.

You can also check out this link here, where someone did a blood glucose test over a few days with need2slin
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thanks man, repz for you :)

I debated going 3x on the 100g carb meal today, but figured I really should work up to that, lol. So i dosed 2x, I didn't feel any light headed diziness or any other low blood sugar level sides. I do have my suspicions as well about 3x though, that's a pretty hefty dose.
 
This was posted over at the NTBM website, and I think somewhere on AM too...

NEED2SLIN - BLOOD SUGAR EXPERIMENT

INGREDIANTS:
1) 450mg gymnema sylvestre
2) 250mg Acetyl L-carnatine
3) 200mg NaR-ALA (NaR alpha lipoic acid)
4) 200mg L-norvaline
5) 90mg Coleus forskholi
6) 30mg synephrine HCI
7) 18mg Banaba leaf

Purpose:
What I expect from N2S is to create a larger than normal insulin release after intake of carbs and sugars. This insulin release is highly desired in bodybuilding b/c insulin helps shuttle nutrients and carbohydrates directly to the muscles for immediate repair. The reason it is advantageous to intake glucose (sugar) in what ever form you want after working out is because of the insulin response that follows. The reason insulin is released after drinking a sugary beverage is that this released works to lower your blood sugar levels and keep you within the normal range. Our body is constantly trying to maintain homeostasis, or internal equilibrium, hence the insulin spike.

insulin also "rapidly activates Protein synthesis by mRNA translation, the process through which the genetic code transcribed in the mRNA template is translated into Protein." This is fairly complicated so if you want to read more on this then Google it.

Experiment:
(Day 1) I will fast for a least 8 hours while I sleep and in the morning I will take my fasted blood sugar (one of 4 readings). I will then eat a wheat bagel (about 60 carbs) and drink about 9oz of Grape Juice (50 carbs/sugars) since both of these are fast acting carbohydrates. After I down I will take my blood sugar readings at 30 mins, 1 hr, and 1.5 hrs and record the results.

(Day 2) I will do the exact same thing as above but this time I will take N2Slin at a dosage of 3 capsules 35 minutes before eating the bagel then follow the protocol listed on Day 1.

(Day 3) I will do the exact same thing as above but this time I will take some supplements that should have a positive effect on my blood sugar profile about 35 minutes prior to eating the bagel and record the results as above. The supplements I will take are Chromium Picolinate (100mg), Gymnema (400mg), Alpha Lipoic Acid (200mg), & Cinnamon (1/4 teaspoon); all of which are supposed to either promote increased insulin cell binding, increase natural production of insulin at the periphery level, or increase the secretion of insulin at the pancreas.

(Day 4) This was added after the Conclusion in the Addendum section.

Results:
In my research of supplements that have the BEST potential to lower blood sugar/raise insulin I came across a few supplements that I assumed would be most effective for these purposes. The supplements used on Day 3 of this experiment are the ones that looked the most promising (Chromium Picolinate, Gymnema, Alpha Lipoic Acid [ALA], & Cinnamon). Two out of the 4 supplements I chose to use are in Need2Slin. The other ingredients in N2Slin are mentioned in some cases when and insulin response is desired but that is one of the reasons for this test, to determine if N2Slin is effective. From what I can tell Need2 has done a lot of research to put this product together and I am very interested in the results.

For this test I was able to borrow a blood monitor from my father who is diabetic (another reason for my interest in this product) and use it to test my blood glucose levels. These tests were conducted at the same time of the morning every day and I tried to be as symmetrical with everything I did every day for the most accurate results possible.

Day 1:
Fasting - 83 mg/dl
*now I down the bagel and grape juice
0.5 hr - 180 mg/dl
1.0 hr - 161 mg/dl
1.5 hr - 106 mg/dl

Note**About 30 minutes after ingesting the bagel and grape juice I got his overwhelming lethargic feeling as well as slightly blurred vision, and this lasted until my blood sugar dropped below 160. Injesting these two things may not do this to some people but I generally stay away from a lot of sugar so I was not used to this feeling at all but did recall on a couple occasions feeling this way.

Day 2:
Fasting - 87 mg/dl
*take Need2Slin 35 minutes before ingesting the carbs
*down the bagel and grape juice
0.5 hr - 145 mg/dl
1.0 hr - 129 mg/dl
1.5 hr - 84 mg/dl

Note**I am very impressed with the results of N2Slin so far. I didn't get any of the symptoms from yesterday when ingesting the large quantity of carbs. I may duplicate the tests of Day 2 and see if I come up with the same results in a later post. Need2Slin has definitely increased the amount of insulin in response to the sugar level in my body. It will be interesting to see how the herbs and supps I will use tomorrow stack up.

Day 3:
Fasting - 86 mg/dl
*take chosen Supps 35 minutes before ingesting the carbs
*down the bagel and grape juice
0.5 hr - 164 mg/dl
1.0 hr - 148 mg/dl
1.5 hr - 97 mg/dl

Note**Although I didn't have any of the same lethargy as on Day 1, I didn't feel as energetic as I did yesterday (Day 2) after taking the hand picked herbs and supplements.

Day 4:
See results of Day 4 after the Conclusion in the Addendum...

Conclusion:
Based on the results of Day 3, Need2Slin has proven itself to be even more effective than the hand picked supplements (chosen specifically for the purpose of increasing insulin response) that I thought might be more effective than Need2Slin based on the research I have done. Need2Slin is a very impressive supplement not only for the energetic feeling you get after a large meal with N2Slin, but in the fact that the blood results in this study were not even close!!

I would like to further note that this study was done solely out of my curiosity of the performance of this product as well as looking for a product that my father (Type 2 diabetic) can take to lower his blood sugar. I have no motive to advertise for Need2. I have used this product once before about a year ago where I noticed a better pump in the gym and a leaner look even on a high calorie diet. I wanted to put it to the test and see if it was worth spending the bucks for this product. Unlike other products where you simply have to 'believe' it's doing what it says, this type of supplement you can actually 'TEST' to see if it's doing what it's supposed to do!!

The 3 most anabolic compounds in the world of bodybuilding are AAS, GH, and insulin. If you can take a natural supplement like Need2Slin and increase the production of insulin within your own body then why take the risk of damaging your body by injecting insulin? Bodybuilders who understand how to use insulin properly can get away with this but for anyone that doesn't fully understand how to use it safely and is on the fence with whether they should use it or not, please start with a supplement like this that will not damage your body and will give you the effect you are looking for.

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Addendum:
Today I wanted to make sure that the results I got the first day I used N2Slin were not a fluke. I only did one test on it and it made me wonder if those results would be replicated if I tested again.

Day 4: (final test)
Fasting - 78 mg/dl
*take Need2Slin 35 minutes before ingesting the carbs
*down the bagel and grape juice
0.5 hr - 139 mg/dl
1.0 hr - 125 mg/dl
1.5 hr - 83 mg/dl

Note**My blood sugar started out lower this morning than usual maybe due to a clean diet yesterday and taking a couple N2Slin before dinner last night... Based on the results from today I am confident that N2Slin is controlling my blood sugar by raising my insulin levels! It's almost scary how close the numbers were from the first test. If I had started the test with a fasting blood sugar of 87 today, I do feel that the numbers I got on the first day using N2S would be even closer.

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edit: looks like DarkHalf found it faster than me!!!
 
Yeah, I went to the original source, yours was a repost. Flai?
 
TheDarkHalf said:
I was just trying to keep it in house and prevent the poster from being redirected to another site. Oh well it's all good, just had to give you a hard time :D
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:kidding:

:D
 
Outstanding said:
As far as oxo, vanadium, sulfate etc... I have used it on and off over the years - every time I use it, I'm confused because it still holds a great amount of cult following, and it's inexpensive, but I can't really tell if I'm on it or not (not to mention then all the debates over toxicity etc arise, and throws more monkey wrenches into the mix than I care to sort out).

As far as the half-life of Need 2 Slin, there are more than one additive in the mix, so I'm not sure if any one answer could suffice. I know N2S has the sodium stabilized ALA, but I remember when I researched r-ALA a while ago it peaked at 1-2 hours after oral ingestion... so it was quite slow acting. I actually dose 1g r-ALA JUST before training, so it is FULLY active when I'm done, and dose Need 2 Slin AFTER so that my post-post training meal is properly assimilated and utilized to my favor.
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the original formula that Star had put together had everything but the Na R-ALA . I insisted on adding this to the formula and I had forgot the fact that I had added that till just now... HEH forgetful me lmao... Great add to the product though I insisted we add this to the formula even though its one of the more expensive adds to the product I just felt it must be in there no matter what
 
MakaveliThaDon said:
bumping an old thread.

I've been off the nutrient partitioners for a while now, getting some other health issues cleared up.

Can anyone comment on how need2slin compares to the others in specifically lowering your overall blood sugar level?
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Actually, I don't rely on any one specific GDA, and I'd like to say Need 2 Slin isn't merely a mimetic whatsoever, it has two insuligenic compounds in the entire blend, and the rest are very novel in that they attack fat stores and recomp your physique through other pathways such as cAMP activation.

Anyway, someone with the screen name CGAR conducted some detailed tests on Need 2 Slin recording his postprandial blood sugar levels.

I stick, religiously, with Need 2 Slin, Recompadrol, and Cinnulin (capped raw powder). Although, I WILL add in 4-Hydrxyisoleucine during contest prep if I can find it from a company other than the small amount in Source Natural's Promilin.
 
Outstanding said:
Actually, I don't rely on any one specific GDA, and I'd like to say Need 2 Slin isn't merely a mimetic whatsoever, it has two insuligenic compounds in the entire blend, and the rest are very novel in that they attack fat stores and recomp your physique through other pathways such as cAMP activation.

Anyway, someone with the screen name CGAR conducted some detailed tests on Need 2 Slin recording his postprandial blood sugar levels.

I stick, religiously, with Need 2 Slin, Recompadrol, and Cinnulin (capped raw powder). Although, I WILL add in 4-Hydrxyisoleucine during contest prep if I can find it from a company other than the small amount in Source Natural's Promilin.
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post a link to that **** bro I doubt its against the rules her to post a link to another forum where some one did a study of there own??? Its good info I highly doubt thats against the rules... Not any written ones anyone.. Or at least pm it to me my man... I have not seen that one yet and I want to.
 
Outstanding said:
Actually, I don't rely on any one specific GDA, and I'd like to say Need 2 Slin isn't merely a mimetic whatsoever, it has two insuligenic compounds in the entire blend, and the rest are very novel in that they attack fat stores and recomp your physique through other pathways such as cAMP activation.

Anyway, someone with the screen name CGAR conducted some detailed tests on Need 2 Slin recording his postprandial blood sugar levels.

I stick, religiously, with Need 2 Slin, Recompadrol, and Cinnulin (capped raw powder). Although, I WILL add in 4-Hydrxyisoleucine during contest prep if I can find it from a company other than the small amount in Source Natural's Promilin.
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needtogetmuscle said:
post a link to that **** bro I doubt its against the rules her to post a link to another forum where some one did a study of there own??? Its good info I highly doubt thats against the rules... Not any written ones anyone.. Or at least pm it to me my man... I have not seen that one yet and I want to.
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Post and link are already above, DarkHalf and I posted them.
 
needtogetmuscle said:
post a link to that **** bro I doubt its against the rules her to post a link to another forum where some one did a study of there own??? Its good info I highly doubt thats against the rules... Not any written ones anyone.. Or at least pm it to me my man... I have not seen that one yet and I want to.
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Milas said:
Post and link are already above, DarkHalf and I posted them.
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Re-Pasted, thanks a lot!

RickRock13 said:
Just read through it....good read;)
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I wish I had a blood sugar monitor and some strips - it would be fun to get down with my analytical self ;)
 
Outstanding said:
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Re-Pasted, thanks a lot!



I wish I had a blood sugar monitor and some strips - it would be fun to get down with my analytical self ;)
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Your take on things is always interesting...
 
man everytime I think it's safe to start the recompadrol back up I notice after only 1 day that I have horrible stomach issues. It's like that feeling where you can tell you are hungry but you don't even wanna look at food cuz it makes you sick to think about eating it....
 
MakaveliThaDon said:
man everytime I think it's safe to start the recompadrol back up I notice after only 1 day that I have horrible stomach issues. It's like that feeling where you can tell you are hungry but you don't even wanna look at food cuz it makes you sick to think about eating it....
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That's just the acclimation period, the reason why it never goes away is because if you only dose for one or even a few days, it's not enough time for your body and digestive system to normalize. Stick with Recompadrol for at least a week, and you'll be able to take full advantage of the product's full effect.

One very good thing about Need 2 Slin is that this normalization period doesn't exist, but it works through a different pathway and doesn't have adipogenesis negation ingredients; which is why I use the two in tandem. :)
 
Outstanding said:
That's just the acclimation period, the reason why it never goes away is because if you only dose for one or even a few days, it's not enough time for your body and digestive system to normalize. Stick with Recompadrol for at least a week, and you'll be able to take full advantage of the product's full effect.

One very good thing about Need 2 Slin is that this normalization period doesn't exist, but it works through a different pathway and doesn't have adipogenesis negation ingredients; which is why I use the two in tandem. :)
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A week eh? Alright, I'll take your word for it mate, you haven't steered me wrong yet.

Other random question, never tried slin sane before, but wow a whole bottle is under 20 bucks on nutraplanet. Any reason it's so cheap right now? Is it going to be discontinued, or is it just......not that great, lol.
 
I've used glycobol, needtoslin, and recompadrol.

I noticed very little from glycobol other than green runny poop. Recompadrol wasn't much better. I dosed recompadrol with my pre and pst workout meals. The pumps were ok, but it killed my stomach.

Needtoslin was the best of the bunch imo. Pump, fatloss, and muscle fullness with no stomach distress. I'll use it again.
 
Need2slin is the only one I've tried so far, but I have been very happy with it :)
 
MakaveliThaDon said:
A week eh? Alright, I'll take your word for it mate, you haven't steered me wrong yet.

Other random question, never tried slin sane before, but wow a whole bottle is under 20 bucks on nutraplanet. Any reason it's so cheap right now? Is it going to be discontinued, or is it just......not that great, lol.
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Whoa, that's a lot of pressure... having never steered you wrong ;)

Actually, the gastric distress is an individual phenomenon that will vary, but it usually is a week. As food for thought, I sometimes dose upwards of 12 or slightly more Recompadrol caps per day along with 6 Need 2 Slin caps, and I have solid stools 90% of the time. I also take a greens powder product, and high potency bromelain. The end result is worth the trip or two more to the bathroom, and actually, I enjoy the easier bowel movements, I feel like it cleans me out, ha, truth.

As far as Slin Sane, no it's not bad! However... it is very, very, very inexpensive to produce. I take standalone raw-capped 75% high yield Gymnema caps @ 300mg each with an entire 120 caps per bottle for next to nothing, and an entire KILO of L-Norvaline can be purchased on many websites easily for an ultra affordable price.

SouthernLord said:
I've used glycobol, needtoslin, and recompadrol.

I noticed very little from glycobol other than green runny poop. Recompadrol wasn't much better. I dosed recompadrol with my pre and pst workout meals. The pumps were ok, but it killed my stomach.

Needtoslin was the best of the bunch imo. Pump, fatloss, and muscle fullness with no stomach distress. I'll use it again.
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Recompadrol isn't going to impart massive pumps like Need 2 Slin or even stand alone Gymnema 75%, it contains garcinia cambogia which was included to lessen the propensity for adipocity. This additive can actually lessen pumps, which is why I dose it with breakfast, and cheat meals only :)

RickRock13 said:
Need2slin is the only one I've tried so far, but I have been very happy with it :)
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Ahhhhwwwwwwwww yeeeeeeee-aahhhhhhh!
 
Outstanding said:
I don't understand, he was saying he liked it, and so do you? Anyway, we all agree! :)
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Yes, very much so. I'm not sure if the context of my last statement was misleading, but allow me to clarify; unlike most GDA/partioning supplements, Need 2 Slin works exactly as advertised. In addition to efficacy, it is well formulated and dosed correctly.

Basically, I need to order more!
 
hoopem6 said:
Yes, very much so. I'm not sure if the context of my last statement was misleading, but allow me to clarify; unlike most GDA/partioning supplements, Need 2 Slin works exactly as advertised. In addition to efficacy, it is well formulated and dosed correctly.

Basically, I need to order more!
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Im keeping some on backup myself from now on. Its something I dont want to run out of...:yup:
 
hoopem6 said:
Yes, very much so. I'm not sure if the context of my last statement was misleading, but allow me to clarify; unlike most GDA/partioning supplements, Need 2 Slin works exactly as advertised. In addition to efficacy, it is well formulated and dosed correctly.

Basically, I need to order more!
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I see. Also, on the ordering....... you and me both!!!!!

MakaveliThaDon said:
Outstanding, what sort of doses do you use when adding in just bulk ALA?
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I don't use low grade s-ala, but I do use r-ala. I take 400mg prior to training, and 1g (5 caps) prior to a cheat meal :)
 
Need2Slin for a recomp, cut, or lean bulk; Recompadrol for a lean bulk.
 
So I decided since I pop nutrient partitioners like skittles, I would create my own at customcapsule. Thanks for the advice outstanding :)

I'm still buying and using need2slin, just stacking my own along with it
 
MakaveliThaDon said:
So I decided since I pop nutrient partitioners like skittles, I would create my own at customcapsule. Thanks for the advice outstanding :)

I'm still buying and using need2slin, just stacking my own along with it
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Not a bad idea at all
 
Problem I have with CC is that once I get all the stuff I want in it, the serving size is 4-5 capsules! Their extracts aren't the highest concentration, that's part of the problem...
 
Milas said:
Problem I have with CC is that once I get all the stuff I want in it, the serving size is 4-5 capsules! Their extracts aren't the highest concentration, that's part of the problem...
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yah, I actually wanted to put enough in there to make the dosage take up 2 caps. That way it's more versatile for me and I can take 1 cap (half dose) on lower/no carb meals.
 
Great reviews and feed back on the Need2slin guys thank you for all the support. I love that you love the products O provide!!!!!! Makes me feel good
 
Since N2S and I guess really any nutrient partitioners act like/mimic insulin, is it possible that they could also lead to drowsiness? Similar to the sleepiness you get after a super high carb meal when your insulin gets spiked.
 
MakaveliThaDon said:
Since N2S and I guess really any nutrient partitioners act like/mimic insulin, is it possible that they could also lead to drowsiness? Similar to the sleepiness you get after a super high carb meal when your insulin gets spiked.
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only if you don't eat enough carbs after taking the product....you could go hypoglycemic
 
needtogetmuscle said:
Great reviews and feed back on the Need2slin guys thank you for all the support. I love that you love the products O provide!!!!!! Makes me feel good
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What's NOT to love? More carbs... less fat! :)

Lowering adiposity is a bodybuilder's dream, because calories are the Rosetta Stone of unlocking optimal hypertrophy, yet consuming copious amounts leads to undesired effects as well. Need 2 Slin is the equalizer, allowing training athletes to feed their need for growth and recovery, without feeding their need to loosen their belts!
 
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