How does epistane compare to var in LBM and bodyfat reduction.
Is Epi comparable to var at high doses like 60mg?
Thanks in advance
Is Epi comparable to var at high doses like 60mg?
Thanks in advance
Anavar is 10x better if both dosed properly
Not even something to compare IMO But var is also 10x the cost so it's something to think about
Word. No comparison.Well, if you know where to look, you'll find only a minor price difference. With that said, there is no comparison between Epi and Var.
Var destroys VAT, much better vascularity and strength, extremely mild on lipids, and doesn't have any negatives on the joints.can any of you that have used var expound on why you think its so much better than epi?
i havent been able to find a whole lot of bloodwork for anavar only cycles.Var destroys VAT, much better vascularity and strength, extremely mild on lipids, and doesn't have any negatives on the joints.
You won't see many Var only cycles as it really doesn't make sense. Hell, any cycle composed of only methyls doesn't make sense. Unlike other compounds that don't aromatize, Var doesn't have the collagen destruction that is associated with, for example, winstrol. Also, just because it does not aromatize does not mean it will negatively impact the joints.i havent been able to find a whole lot of bloodwork for anavar only cycles.
do you have any?
i found two. with one, VAR jacked up lipids from 4 weeks at 20mg/d
the other, not much of an effect
also, i dont understand how it could not negatively effect joints, since it doesnt aromatize. naturally it would be suppressive to estrogen.
You can send that Epi to me - I use that **** to cut!I still have a few sealed bottles of the original IBE epi. But man I haven't been on a PH in years, and now it seems like there is so many better ones out now that it feels like it would be a waste to use it up and run a cycle of it, and that I'd be better off getting one of the newer ones to run.
You can send that Epi to me - I use that **** to cut!
But Var? Never thought about that one and now my interest is peaked.
Depends on how I "cut". For a quick cut - I just use it as you typically would - with diet reduced for a caloric deficit and I use an EC stack.hmm...mind sharing just a rough outline of an epi cycle you used to cut?
var is the supreme oral for a cutYou can send that Epi to me - I use that **** to cut!
But Var? Never thought about that one and now my interest is peaked.
thanks bro. If you pulse it, how long do you drag it out for?Depends on how I "cut". For a quick cut - I just use it as you typically would - with diet reduced for a caloric deficit and I use an EC stack.
For longer term cuts - I pulse it on M/W/F at about 40mg right off the bat. EC stack every day, reduced calorie diet. On "off" days ... it's Lean XTreme or some other non-stim fat burner along with the EC.
I'm toying with a new idea for a cut ... that would be an Epi / Ostarine stack - do 'em both simultaneous - maybe pulse the Epi because I don't like shutting down.
My needs for cutting are different though - I'm 49 - so it's not too easy for me. However, I'm pretty successful. I'm 10 percent body fat (yet) - but I'm getting there. In any case - I have the best six pack of any 100 49 year old men you could pull off the street and put into one room.
Two weeks on ... then two weeks off ... then two weeks on. Six weeks, but only 12 doses ... like I said, I don't like shutdown. I'm very responsive to Epi - I feel it first day every time I use it. That said - it's just a tool in the box to help cut - and pulsing in this manner won't do much unless you have the diet tweaked and you have the "off" days tooled up with EC and other fat burners.thanks bro. If you pulse it, how long do you drag it out for?
I was thinking of running epi 60mg/d for 4-5 weeks. Any idea what kind of gains i could expect? Weight/Strength etcYou won't see many Var only cycles as it really doesn't make sense. Hell, any cycle composed of only methyls doesn't make sense. Unlike other compounds that don't aromatize, Var doesn't have the collagen destruction that is associated with, for example, winstrol. Also, just because it does not aromatize does not mean it will negatively impact the joints.
LOL I hope not. We're talking about the real deal, Oxandrolone. LOL F that HiTech crap!are we talking about the same hi tech pharma anavar that has 1900mg of a "proprietary blend" ?
Well, some seem to think epi is similar to var as far as results. Not even close in my book. The thing that no one has mentioned is how sinewy you can get on var. That sh!t will get you stripped and vascular as hell without much change in diet! I hate cardio and that's why I like var. I find no need to do any cardio and I'll still get pretty vascular. My veins are popping like crazy right now. Wait, I mean, it can potentially cause my veins to pop like crazy! hehehehaha, ok, I just had to double check on that one to be sure. a google search for "anavar" turns up nothing but that hi tech pharma garbage. I've been out of the PH game for a while now, so I'm playing catch up
edit: nm, oxandrolone isn't even a PH, now the comparison seems a bit unfair, lol.
I just started a 4 day on 2 off pulse with Epi, 20/40/40/40/40/40, and have Osta on hand I was planning to use during PCT. (Along with Torem.) I'm curious what your thinking is on using it during the cycle instead?Depends on how I "cut". For a quick cut - I just use it as you typically would - with diet reduced for a caloric deficit and I use an EC stack.
For longer term cuts - I pulse it on M/W/F at about 40mg right off the bat. EC stack every day, reduced calorie diet. On "off" days ... it's Lean XTreme or some other non-stim fat burner along with the EC.
I'm toying with a new idea for a cut ... that would be an Epi / Ostarine stack - do 'em both simultaneous - maybe pulse the Epi because I don't like shutting down.
My needs for cutting are different though - I'm 49 - so it's not too easy for me. However, I'm pretty successful. I'm 10 percent body fat (yet) - but I'm getting there. In any case - I have the best six pack of any 100 49 year old men you could pull off the street and put into one room.
I just scored some Var myself and cant wait to run it!! Im going on a lean bulk next and then maybe ill run that to get ripped!Well, some seem to think epi is similar to var as far as results. Not even close in my book. The thing that no one has mentioned is how sinewy you can get on var. That sh!t will get you stripped and vascular as hell without much change in diet! I hate cardio and that's why I like var. I find no need to do any cardio and I'll still get pretty vascular. My veins are popping like crazy right now. Wait, I mean, it can potentially cause my veins to pop like crazy! hehehe
Exactly I know ppl that run it at 40-50 and loved it. And they ran it solo. Dry lean gains.I've seen a huge range of anavar only cycle doses ranging from 20-80 + mg/day.
Many people enjoy it at the lower doses, and solo too. eg
http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/steroid-testosterone-information/61485-low-dose-anavar-only-results.html
as with many steroid users IMO these days, doses are uneccesarily high when a more moderate dose will still achieve good results with less suppression, toxicity and pissing away money.Exactly I know ppl that run it at 40-50 and loved it. And they ran it solo. Dry lean gains.
Which would you guess is more liver toxic?Var destroys VAT, much better vascularity and strength, extremely mild on lipids, and doesn't have any negatives on the joints.
Well, broscience floating around the internet will have one think that var is not liver toxic but on the contrary, it is just as much as any other 17 alkalated steroid. For low dosage long-term use, it's pretty gentle on the liver but at the doses that some take it (100mg+), it can get pretty toxic. But I don't see a problem running it at 40-60 for up to 6 weeks. At least that's what I would do.Which would you guess is more liver toxic?
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