first time with PHs

divo006 said:
in his original post he listed that he was 5'10 163lbs so he's on the leaner side. he's only 18 and should easily be able to bump up 20 lbs with a good diet and workout. marines will defenitly put some raw muscle weight on ya
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Ah, OK. I was going by what he listed under his name. It says 200lbs. Mebbe he doesn't know what he weighs?
 
domdiesel123 said:
no im 163 but idk ill probably just not get PHs now i guess, and take ballas suggestion of the natural stuff.
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Very cool :yup:

Between really smart training and the Marine Corp, you'll be a beast soon anyway. Then, later on down the line you still have the option of PHs when your body is better suited for it.

And remember, walk softly but always have a plan to kill everyone in the room!
 
IMO, DAA is not needed. test is high enough. I took a HGH booster at his age and saw nice gains. DAA wouldnt hurt him if he took something like erase with it, but i think there are better options IMO...unless he wants a pre workout with DAA in it like Lit Up.
 
R1balla said:
IMO, DAA is not needed. test is high enough. I took a HGH booster at his age and saw nice gains. DAA wouldnt hurt him if he took something like erase with it, but i think there are better options IMO...unless he wants a pre workout with DAA in it like Lit Up.
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IMO I think DAA would be a hell of alot better than PH for him:D Triazole also acts as an AI so Est wouldn't be an issue. And if he really wanted to go all out he could take a Cortisol reducer. IMO ^^ way better than PH at age 18. 20 POSSIBLY, but still young. 18, is too young. (for PH that is)
 
Well sure daa is better than a ph but there are better options than daa. Imo, daa bulk is crap. I think he would benefit from a GH booster stacked with erase, lit up, and creatine nitrate. I say erase cause it prevents the potential sides from daa in lit up. Maybe even prime also. I know alot of ppl hate prime, but I love it
 
R1balla said:
Well sure daa is better than a ph but there are better options than daa. Imo, daa bulk is crap. I think he would benefit from a GH booster stacked with erase, lit up, and creatine nitrate. I say erase cause it prevents the potential sides from daa in lit up. Maybe even prime also. I know alot of ppl hate prime, but I love it
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Creatine Nitrate APS
Lit Up- PRE w.o.
Erase- AI

and what is GH Booster?
 
domdiesel123 said:
school really ****s me over with eating, but i getting around 2k-2.5k cals a day.
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Thats your first problem right there..

if your diet sucks before a ph...itll probably..and mostly likely suck while on a ph...and you will not reap the full benefits from it.

Tackle ur diet first, then look at your training...

Youre training for the Marines?

You dont need a ph to train..put in some actual work..cause believe me...if you really do go into the Marines...for 3 months you wont have anything to rely on but water, food, and yourself. No creatine, no protein...nothing...

just hours and hours of basic training...and the diet GIVEN to you.

Listen to R1Balla...this guy knows his ish..

There's plenty of post similar to yours...underage users, who want a short cut.

I started posting on here about 3 months ago and wanted to do the same thing...jump on a PH.

Listening to these guys on AM I've put on 20 pounds and went from 130 to 150....all i did was switch my diet and training.

Seriously...if taking a ph was a GOOD idea...there wouldnt be 4 pages on this post saying saying DONT do it.

Just maybe...these people know what they are talking about...
 
a good GH booster would be HGHup. i havent taken any of the others, but i have taken HGHup and IGF 2 even before i became a rep and i love them both.
 
At 18, if you really want to lean out and get stronger, but you aren't looking to put on a ton of mass (which I'm guessing as a wrestler is the case), you'd probably be better off with a good test booster/ AI combo. Something like DAA and Erase would be a sick, natural stack, and it would probably provide a faster route to your goals (like you're seeking) without the potential for nearly as much damage to your hormones as a PH.
 
DaJaP said:
it can mess with ur body, even if u take it once. I took havoc when i was 18, and nolva was a PCT clearly wasnt enough (young and stupid, lol), ahevnt tried a PH since. Still get gyno flare ups randomly cuz of it. So if your dead set on doing it, make sure you take all the precautions and dont half ass it
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In that cycle, in hindsight, could the gyno have been avoided for you, and how. Ie ...did u dose too high, take for too long, choose the wrong compound. What would you have changed if you knew better that could have helped?
 
BURNT DICE said:
In that cycle, in hindsight, could the gyno have been avoided for you, and how. Ie ...did u dose too high, take for too long, choose the wrong compound. What would you have changed if you knew better that could have helped?
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Most likely with Havok, it was rebound gyno. My guess is that Nolva was run too short, not a high enough dosage, or a combo of both. Just a guess though based on what is posted. A good AI towards the end of the PCT would have probably helped.
 
specmike said:
Most likely with Havok, it was rebound gyno. My guess is that Nolva was run too short, not a high enough dosage, or a combo of both. Just a guess though based on what is posted. A good AI towards the end of the PCT would have probably helped.
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I am mid cycle on h- drol. I will be using Nolva 20/20/10/10 and a test booster.

I have an ai, (inhibit-e) but it has been suggested to me not to use it as they are a mixed bag for folks. I think my pct is good,but if I did get rebound gyno would it be good to thow that in, or would it be too late at that point?
 
BURNT DICE said:
I am mid cycle on h- drol. I will be using Nolva 20/20/10/10 and a test booster.

I have an ai, (inhibit-e) but it has been suggested to me not to use it as they are a mixed bag for folks. I think my pct is good,but if I did get rebound gyno would it be good to thow that in, or would it be too late at that point?
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Going overboard usually is better, especially with something like PH's. Id stick the AI in def a few weeks into PCT
 
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