ATD and gyno

jsp0785

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how long would it take an ATD to get rid of what i think is the start of gyno? and should i get some letro to be on the safe side?
 
and is there anything else it could be besides gyno? i've had no itching no sensitivity and no pain.
 
ryansm said:
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thanks i've read that before though. i'm guessing it would be smart to take the D-aspartic acid i have then with the ATD to increase DHT. any clue how progesterone works for hair loss?
 
jsp0785 said:
how long would it take an ATD to get rid of what i think is the start of gyno? and should i get some letro to be on the safe side?
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It may actually make it worse- ATD is a strong AI, but it is also a pretty strong anti-androgen. It can up test levels through the AI effect, but when you come off the product, your T levels tend to be very low, b/c of the anti-androgenic effect....
 
rms80 said:
It may actually make it worse- ATD is a strong AI, but it is also a pretty strong anti-androgen. It can up test levels through the AI effect, but when you come off the product, your T levels tend to be very low, b/c of the anti-androgenic effect....
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Which is why I have over 1,000 caps of ATD, and won't even open the bottles :( Oh well, lesson learned. Letro is the mac daddy.
 
so am I safe with the atd until I can get letro? which God knows how long that will take. I dont know if the "research" places are legit anymore
 
I would look at Erase or Formestane....some folks love ATD, but a lot of others stay away for many reasons as listed above.
 
BurghHardcore said:
I would look at Erase or Formestane....some folks love ATD, but a lot of others stay away for many reasons as listed above.
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well I just ordered some letro. would rather be safe than sorry. so ill stick with the atd and the d aspartic acid until then.
 
people have been reporting cases of nipple sensitivity with DAA and it supposedly increases prolactin as well...not what I would take if I was worried about developing gyno. These are all just anecdotal reports though...so take it for what you will.

I would always run an AI with DAA, but that's just me. For future reference there are better options out there for you than ATD.
 
BurghHardcore said:
people have been reporting cases of nipple sensitivity with DAA and it supposedly increases pregesterone as well...not what I would take if I was worried about developing gyno. These are all just anecdotal reports though...so take it for what you will.

I would always run an AI with DAA, but that's just me. For future reference there are better options out there for you than ATD.
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well the gyno is from propecia. I've used superdrol m1t pheraplex formestane and daa. and have never had a gyno issue
 
Interesting...there's a lot of these cases popping up lately it seems. Then it's definetely b/c of low DHT it would seem. In that case don't use the Formestane, b/c that can lower DHT slightly as well. If you have the ATD, rock it. Just don't go too high on it or your estrogen will be crushed and so will your libido. Good luck to you. You go to the doc or anything?
 
BurghHardcore said:
people have been reporting cases of nipple sensitivity with DAA and it supposedly increases pregesterone as well...not what I would take if I was worried about developing gyno. These are all just anecdotal reports though...so take it for what you will.

I would always run an AI with DAA, but that's just me. For future reference there are better options out there for you than ATD.
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DAA increases progesterone, or prolactin?
 
BurghHardcore said:
people have been reporting cases of nipple sensitivity with DAA and it supposedly increases prolactin as well...not what I would take if I was worried about developing gyno. These are all just anecdotal reports though...so take it for what you will.

I would always run an AI with DAA, but that's just me. For future reference there are better options out there for you than ATD.
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Dude ... my nips got a bit sensitive today and I noticed it - because they are usually like dead bumps - I never notice them.

Been taking DAA for about a week now but also taking three caps of Erase soooo wtf?
 
BurghHardcore said:
Interesting...there's a lot of these cases popping up lately it seems. Then it's definetely b/c of low DHT it would seem. In that case don't use the Formestane, b/c that can lower DHT slightly as well. If you have the ATD, rock it. Just don't go too high on it or your estrogen will be crushed and so will your libido. Good luck to you. You go to the doc or anything?
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unfortunately no. just switched jobs one where i can actually afford insurance but not able to sign up for it yet. the weird thing is the only symptom i have of gyno is the lump behind the nipple. never had any itching or pain or any kind of sensitivity. plus the fact that i have been on propecia for a while took a little time off and started again and been on it this time for like 4 months and just now getting issues. it's a really small lump and only noticed it in the shower wonder, if i didn't blindly stumble upon it i would have never noticed.
 
Why all the ATD hate? I take that with Animal Stak II and I literally piss cum.. It is nuts.. I will be taking a piss and when I am finished I start pissing cum.. My all time favorite AI.. The anti-androgen proposed properties I thought were just the fact that it bound to the AR but didn't have any activity.. In that case it would be highly dose dependent on the effects.. Additionally, the only studies I have seen on ATD receptor binding were in relation to prostate (cytosol) so I am not sure.. To each their own I guess.. If it works for you, great.. If not, I suppose use something else..
 
HondaV65 said:
Dude ... my nips got a bit sensitive today and I noticed it - because they are usually like dead bumps - I never notice them.

Been taking DAA for about a week now but also taking three caps of Erase soooo wtf?
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Edit...I think I misunderstood ya there. My bad hoss!
 
jsp0785 said:
unfortunately no. just switched jobs one where i can actually afford insurance but not able to sign up for it yet. the weird thing is the only symptom i have of gyno is the lump behind the nipple. never had any itching or pain or any kind of sensitivity. plus the fact that i have been on propecia for a while took a little time off and started again and been on it this time for like 4 months and just now getting issues. it's a really small lump and only noticed it in the shower wonder, if i didn't blindly stumble upon it i would have never noticed.
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If there's no pain, itching, sensitivity then I wouldn't worry too much. Just don't mess with it and monitor it. You probably have nothing to worry about then.
 
bubsnt3 said:
Why all the ATD hate? I take that with Animal Stak II and I literally piss cum.. It is nuts.. I will be taking a piss and when I am finished I start pissing cum.. My all time favorite AI.. The anti-androgen proposed properties I thought were just the fact that it bound to the AR but didn't have any activity.. In that case it would be highly dose dependent on the effects.. Additionally, the only studies I have seen on ATD receptor binding were in relation to prostate (cytosol) so I am not sure.. To each their own I guess.. If it works for you, great.. If not, I suppose use something else..
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Not hate, just stating there are other (and in each individual case, sometimes better) alternatives than ATD. Some people love it, others hate it. I have nothing against it personally, I've used it once and it was OK. I prefer 6-Bromo 10 fold over that, but that's just me. I'll be starting Formestane tomorrow so I'll see how that goes.
 
BurghHardcore said:
If there's no pain, itching, sensitivity then I wouldn't worry too much. Just don't mess with it and monitor it. You probably have nothing to worry about then.
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yea but what else could it be? i'd rather be safe than sorry though. if there is a chance its gyno i can't take a wait and see approach.
 
HondaV65 said:
Dude ... my nips got a bit sensitive today and I noticed it - because they are usually like dead bumps - I never notice them.

Been taking DAA for about a week now but also taking three caps of Erase soooo wtf?
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May have more to do with PRL- add in some L-Dopa or Vitex
 
Outstanding said:
ATD, making athlete's pee semen since it's creation! ;)

If anyone wants ATD, I have a l-o-t
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Are you selling it cheap? I have been stocking up on the SNS stuff that is pretty cheap.. But wouldn't mind having an even larger stock-pile.. Is it bulk powder or capped?
 
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