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The Return of Primordial Performance.com

zachmanman said:
does this DHEA stuff do anything?
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I heard about a guy almost 20 years ago, when DHEA first came out, that took 50 mgs a day for 5-6 months and put on 40lbs with slow strength increases. DHEA is the skeleton of many steroids, so to speak. Theoretically, products should work, but the price is not very affordable. If there are more benefits than just anabolism ie better skin, hair, energy, feelings of well being, longer on periods without much HPTA affect, etc. might be worth it, but Im skeptical. Most people have stashes of products they know work, albeit with less effect than the initial run. The market is over saturated at this point. Nothing compared to 19-Nordiol in terms of safety and gains, absolutely nothing. JMO
 
-I believe i said it first when reading on this new androseries coming out that the price will be the ultimate factor in this new products release!! Every supplement company wants to be king & put out the best product, but in todays market & society u simply will fail at marketing anything thats way past the cost of any similar product & especially at double the price of "real gear!!"

-Now that ive unsubscribed to these threads ive placed my order for TestoPro & Erase which costed me $50 bucks for both bottles!! Sorry primordial but u should listen to all of the retoric about ur prices & think long term... :sigh1:
 
SeniorXJ said:
-I believe i said it first when reading on this new androseries coming out that the price will be the ultimate factor in this new products release!! Every supplement company wants to be king & put out the best product, but in todays market & society u simply will fail at marketing anything thats way past the cost of any similar product & especially at double the price of "real gear!!"

-Now that ive unsubscribed to these threads ive placed my order for TestoPro & Erase which costed me $50 bucks for both bottles!! Sorry primordial but u should listen to all of the retoric about ur prices & think long term... :sigh1:
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I'm sure the prices will come down eventually, but right now the prices are set the way they are because it was an expensive endeavor that PP undertook. They will rival inj. test gains, yet they do not need to be injected, they are legal, non-liver toxic, low side effect profile, 150% money back guarantee.

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PhoenixGamer said:
I'm sure the prices will come down eventually, but right now the prices are set the way they are because it was an expensive endeavor that PP undertook. They will rival inj. test gains, yet they do not need to be injected, they are legal, non-liver toxic, low side effect profile, 150% money back guarantee.

:wavey:
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I think many are willing to pay the $$$$ just waiting to hear some real world reviews. I myself will pay the cost once I see that is works
 
jim2509 said:
lol, i'd def like to see test like results to andromass...i don't think so somehow!
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Yeah? What evidence/info do you have against PP's claims about AndroMass? I'm pretty sure you don't have any. Their new technology explains how it gets absorbed into the bloodstream, completely bypassing the liver and straight into the lymphatic system. The result is bio-availability and absorption the market has never seen! :stups:
 
T-Bone said:
What evidence do you have that it does work?
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The base hormones have been on the market for a while now. Look up reviews on them and you will see that they work. PP's ace-in-the-hole with the AndroSeries is the delivery system with these hormones.
 
Why is everyone all over this, all supllement companies make crazy claims related to testosterone. What herbal test booster doesnt say increases testosterone 340%, the only difference is primoridal comes off more legit by comparing it to a mg amount of test. Remember when Dermacrine was supose to equal 150mg of test a week! if that was true a medical industry would be giving it to patients versus trt, trust me if dermacrine was equal 150mg of test I would always take it. The new site is all fancy, wonder why? Market ploy? damn near equal to muscle tech. I have also seen erics picture and hes not massive, average if that, so how good can it be with all that free access he has to it.
 
greekgeorge said:
Why is everyone all over this, all supllement companies make crazy claims related to testosterone. What herbal test booster doesnt say increases testosterone 340%, the only difference is primoridal comes off more legit by comparing it to a mg amount of test. Remember when Dermacrine was supose to equal 150mg of test a week! if that was true a medical industry would be giving it to patients versus trt, trust me if dermacrine was equal 150mg of test I would always take it. The new site is all fancy, wonder why? Market ploy? damn near equal to muscle tech. I have also seen erics picture and hes not massive, average if that, so how good can it be with all that free access he has to it.
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First of all, Eric Potratz is an entrepeneur, not a competitive bodybuilder. I admire his work ethic and creativity.
Secondly, I'm a big fan of his products. I've used most of them. I'm on 1-T right now, and Sustain is one of my staples.
And I have heard the explanations for why the Andros weren't tested. But even I would like to have seen some real-world testing (especially at this price point). So I'm withholding judgement for now...
 
You dont have to be a competitive bodybuilder. If you recall the original 1T when it was on the site it went something like, Eric Portraz the creator of primodial used this to gain 15ls of lean mass. That was years ago now, so if he used more of them he ought to have at least another 15ls on him, I see no evidence of 30 pounds of legal roid muscle on him. Im glad you enjoy there products, I did to until I tried the dermacrine lv. You should feel good on 1t its a decent compound that was not created by eric there are tons of clones of it. Were talking about something new he created not clones.
ImJ2x said:
First of all, Eric Potratz is an entrepeneur, not a competitive bodybuilder. I admire his work ethic and creativity.
Secondly, I'm a big fan of his products. I've used most of them. I'm on 1-T right now, and Sustain is one of my staples.
And I have heard the explanations for why the Andros weren't tested. But even I would like to have seen some real-world testing (especially at this price point). So I'm withholding judgement for now...
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Im not sure if he is a doctor as in phd, I know he has some education in endocrinology, but unless he has that phd his consultation is not worth anything near that price
ImJ2x said:
First of all, Eric Potratz is an entrepeneur, not a competitive bodybuilder. I admire his work ethic and creativity.
Secondly, I'm a big fan of his products. I've used most of them. I'm on 1-T right now, and Sustain is one of my staples.
And I have heard the explanations for why the Andros weren't tested. But even I would like to have seen some real-world testing (especially at this price point). So I'm withholding judgement for now...
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I like sustain to, Il never pct without it, I hope these products are good, but the real deal is cheaper much cheaper. I cant near 4 bottles of cyp for that price and thats proven to work
ImJ2x said:
First of all, Eric Potratz is an entrepeneur, not a competitive bodybuilder. I admire his work ethic and creativity.
Secondly, I'm a big fan of his products. I've used most of them. I'm on 1-T right now, and Sustain is one of my staples.
And I have heard the explanations for why the Andros weren't tested. But even I would like to have seen some real-world testing (especially at this price point). So I'm withholding judgement for now...
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greekgeorge said:
You dont have to be a competitive bodybuilder. If you recall the original 1T when it was on the site it went something like, Eric Portraz the creator of primodial used this to gain 15ls of lean mass. That was years ago now, so if he used more of them he ought to have at least another 15ls on him, I see no evidence of 30 pounds of legal roid muscle on him. Im glad you enjoy there products, I did to until I tried the dermacrine lv. You should feel good on 1t its a decent compound that was not created by eric there are tons of clones of it. Were talking about something new he created not clones.
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If you're supportive of the 1-T, I would point out that half of AndroMass is the same compound, with a (supposedly) superior delivery method.
I'm more interested in the efficacy of the other half of AndroMass: can the 4-DHEA successfully make the two conversions needed to become testosterone at a high enough rate to be useful???
 
ImJ2x said:
If you're supportive of the 1-T, I would point out that half of AndroMass is the same compound, with a (supposedly) superior delivery method.
I'm more interested in the efficacy of the other half of AndroMass: can the 4-DHEA successfully make the two conversions needed to become testosterone at a high enough rate to be useful???
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I think the 4 dhea 2 step conversion will be personal, I mean someones receptors will pick it up more or less, theres no guarantee. How would you know if the 4 dhea did anything since you respond well to 1t, maybe doing 1t will be better the next round because of improved diet, training, form, strength gains, stress etc. Its hard to tell how a 2 hormone product will be. Maybe the 4 dhea will be better than the new 1t delivery, all im saying is you wont really ever know except with a blood test from you, not some other log
 
greekgeorge said:
I think the 4 dhea 2 step conversion will be personal, I mean someones receptors will pick it up more or less, theres no guarantee. How would you know if the 4 dhea did anything since you respond well to 1t, maybe doing 1t will be better the next round because of improved diet, training, form, strength gains, stress etc. Its hard to tell how a 2 hormone product will be. Maybe the 4 dhea will be better than the new 1t delivery, all im saying is you wont really ever know except with a blood test from you, not some other log
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I beg to differ. Many bros stacked 4AD(test) with 1AD (1test) to combat the latter's lethargy and libido issues. On high dose 1T, I'm feeling tons of lethargy, and starting to lose some libido. If AndroMass gives 1T gains, without the lethargy/libido issues, I'll be happy.
I just worry that we're relying too much on the 3b/17b enzymes to convert both of these isomers. Twice. I hope it works.
 
If you guys listened to the Radio show you would know Eric hasn't worked out in quite sometime with all of the time being put into the AndroSeries. Besides that shouldn't be the measure..
 
ryansm said:
If you guys listened to the Radio show you would know Eric hasn't worked out in quite sometime with all of the time being put into the AndroSeries. Besides that shouldn't be the measure..
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That's OK. It's been awile since I developed a new delivery method for DHEA isomers myself.
 
I listen to the radio show, selectively I dont care about his training habits. I listened to the androseries and all I got out of it is that its slightly better than regular dhea woo woo. Maybe you will get a boner more often
ryansm said:
If you guys listened to the Radio show you would know Eric hasn't worked out in quite sometime with all of the time being put into the AndroSeries. Besides that shouldn't be the measure..
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If your having libido/lethargy issues there is sustain with 200mg of reg dhea, throw in trib, maca etc, stims
ImJ2x said:
I beg to differ. Many bros stacked 4AD(test) with 1AD (1test) to combat the latter's lethargy and libido issues. On high dose 1T, I'm feeling tons of lethargy, and starting to lose some libido. If AndroMass gives 1T gains, without the lethargy/libido issues, I'll be happy.
I just worry that we're relying too much on the 3b/17b enzymes to convert both of these isomers. Twice. I hope it works.
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greekgeorge said:
So if he hasnt used it, and trained than how is he confident that his product works
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Take a look at the write ups, he has explained in detail his thoughts behind the product.

greekgeorge said:
I listen to the radio show, selectively I dont care about his training habits. I listened to the androseries and all I got out of it is that its slightly better than regular dhea woo woo. Maybe you will get a boner more often
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Not sure where you are getting "slightly better" than DHEA, but that is not true.
 
greekgeorge, you may need to brush up on the writeups a bit. The cool thing about the AndroMass (assuming it works as predicted), is that it eventually converts into a useful amount of 1test (common in many other products) and testosterone (which has never really been accomplished by an oral). That's why so many people have their hopes high for this stuff.
 
I decided to put my money on a company that has proven themselves in the past, and I am giving the andro series a try. I ordered double of all of them, encase I really do like it. If I don't I am sure I can sell them off and make most of my money back.

And if it works the way they say it will, and I don't have to worry about toxicity it is more than worth its price to me.
 
indysoccer16 said:
I decided to put my money on a company that has proven themselves in the past, and I am giving the andro series a try. I ordered double of all of them, encase I really do like it. If I don't I am sure I can sell them off and make most of my money back.

And if it works the way they say it will, and I don't have to worry about toxicity it is more than worth its price to me.
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Thanks for your support, and I have a feeling you will like them. Do you plan on logging it? And what sort of cycle are you looking to start with?

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I envy you.
 
HereToStudy said:
Thanks for your support, and I have a feeling you will like them. Do you plan on logging it? And what sort of cycle are you looking to start with?

I am planing on logging everything, but it won't be for a little while as I am currently in the middle of a cycle but I wanted to jump on the sale while I could. Becausew at the prices right now, its like buy andro mass and androhard and get androlean for free.

I envy you.
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Haha, for a living I take pictures and video for adult sites for everything from topless to girl girl. But I didn't want to make a sig for of sites I shoot for.
 
indysoccer16 said:
Haha, for a living I take pictures and video for adult sites for everything from topless to girl girl. But I didn't want to make a sig for of sites I shoot for.
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Hah! I've actually seen alot of your work. (Was that lesbo cheerleader vid one of yours?)
Strong portfolio, my friend. Strong.
 
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