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Avoiding Shutdown - Semi-Pulsing?

revencer

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I'm soon going to run an havoc (epi) cycle, and I will not have a serm at the time of the cycle. This was my original stack:

cycle assist....4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4/0/0/0
havoc............0/0/2/3/3/4/0/0/0/0/0
recycle..........0/0/0/0/0/0/4/4/4/2/0
primal male...0/0/0/0/0/0/4/4/4/4/0
triazole.........0/0/0/0/0/0/3/3/3/2/1


However, I recently came across the pulsing method, and seeing how I want to avoid sides, and I workout 5 days a week, would it be beneficial to dose pre-workout only, and not on off days, to minimize sides and shutdown?

Edit:

After reading the pulsing thread, it looks like most havoc users who pulsed, reported around 75% of their gains in the first two weeks. Could I run a few 2 week mini cycles, pulsing eod?
 
You still need a SERM and pulsing does not work out for everyone. Have you ran EPI before? I would not pulse something without 1st doing a straight run and seeing how I react
 
bashman said:
You still need a SERM and pulsing does not work out for everyone. Have you ran EPI before? I would not pulse something without 1st doing a straight run and seeing how I react
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Never ran epi, but wouldn't a pulse (at 20-30mg per day) have less sides than a straight run?

And the point of a pulse, is so you don't need pct. I would still run OTC pct, and an AI on off days.
 
revencer said:
Never ran epi, but wouldn't a pulse (at 20-30mg per day) have less sides than a straight run?

And the point of a pulse, is so you don't need pct. I would still run OTC pct, and an AI on off days.
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I don't think so bud. You telling me you can pulse SD and not do a PCT? Maybe, but would likely lose all your gains. EPI may be less suppressive but it still a steroid.

Would it not be so much more simple for you to do a straight run with SERM for PCT, like everyone has already suggested in your last thread.
 
bashman said:
Sorry but I'm not convinced and like I said I don't think its a good idea to pulse something without knowing how you react to it.
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I'm not disagreeing with you at all, but wouldn't pulsing 20 mg, and maybe working up to 30 or 40, be safer than the same dosing every day?
 
Epi seems like a terrible steroid to pulse... Use something with a short half life like boladrol.
 
revencer said:
I'm not disagreeing with you at all, but wouldn't pulsing 20 mg, and maybe working up to 30 or 40, be safer than the same dosing every day?
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Using 20 mg of a steroid is still way over the natural testosterone levels of the average male and will yield to shutdown. Pulsing will yield shutdown. Any artificial amount of test will yield shutdown whether you can "feel" it or not. Test production is on a feedback loop. If you want to minimize detrimental effects, use a serm.

..or ignore us, get glyco bloated, gain 15 pounds, lose 15 pounds and have low test recovery.
 
Some people like to pulse Epi - others not so much. I pulsed and also did a straight run.

I prefer the straight run - dosing everyday. Reason is - pulsing was "up" and "down" for me - not too bad - but not optimal for me personally. Others love it.

Dr. D has a "No PCT" Pulse method - basically you pulse 3 to 4 times for two weeks - then take two weeks off - then repeat.

If you want minimal shutdown - then pulse like three times a week. Take about half the dosage prior to workout (if you work out in the morning) and then half after ... maybe five hours later?

What days to pulse? Well that's up to you. For me - I run a split where I lift heavy on M/W/F. Tuesday and Thursday are light days. Soooo ... I pulsed on the heavy days.

If you have never run a cycle I think you will feel Epi effects immediately - I did ... very first morning I took 10mg. It's pretty damn good.

Only problem I had were tingly and sometimes lightly burning nips - which initially freaked me out. I only experienced this when I was pulsing - did not experience it when I was dosing ED. I have no idea what was going on. The sensation came on my off days in the evenings. I used Formestane to tamp it down and that seemed to work.

Keep a SERM on hand (I would) ... LOL - if your nips start tingling you'll order one at that point!! May as well get it early. :D

Good Luck.
 
revencer said:
Never ran epi, but wouldn't a pulse (at 20-30mg per day) have less sides than a straight run?

And the point of a pulse, is so you don't need pct. I would still run OTC pct, and an AI on off days.
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The point of the pulse is to reduce side effects, minimize shutdown, take it easier on your liver ... etc.

Pulsing is NOT intended to eliminate PCT - unless you are using Dr. D's "No PCT" pulse. That's a special kind of pulse where you only pulse the compound for two weeks and then you take off for two weeks.

Try the pulse ... you will know after a week if you like it or not ... two weeks tops. If you don't like it then shift to dosing every day.

I think beginners should keep cycles to 4 weeks tops (my personal opinion). Even if you dosed ED you should not be terribly shutdown at the end of a short cycle like that.

And besides - get you some Torem and PCT is a snap.
 
my first time on epi was an 8 week pulse... if you get sides, then you can do a straight cycle, you can lower the dose, or you can just stop, it's not that bad. Most likely you won't encounter any sides, as epi is pretty mild, and a pulse makes it extremely mild.

oh but as mentioned, do a PCT. Pulsing minimizes shutdown, but it doesn't completely stop shutdown, unless you are pulsing very low doses, something reminiscent of the dbol bridge.
 
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