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FINAL REVIEW ON POST #44

Just getting started…!!!

My iForce Tropinol beta tester log, welcome. That being said this is my first log and the format can be defined by your responses for info.

I received a 4 week supply to run and for my weight, under 200, it works out to 2 caps /day. Timing: One first upon waking and a second pre workout. The product is so new the bottle I got was properly sealed but had just a temporary label, not production graphics. I counted the caps, which have a notropic odor, very slight but not unpleasant, and found 56 of them which I thought was strange quantity at first but then at 2/day for 4 weeks kinda works out. I will adhere to the recommended dosing scheme and not increase the servings/dose.

Day 1 Tuesday Dec 7th. (1st dose) 10:30a.m.


Cliffs: start
Training Intensity: 5
Recovery Time: 3
Aggression: 4
Strength increase: 0
Muscle Gain: TBD (to be determined) starting weight 193lbs (fully clothed w/ shoes)
Libido: 5
Overall thoughts: excited yet skeptical
 
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I didn't realize you weighed 190lbs.

Keep taking 2 for now, I am going to see if I can get you another bottle so you can run it at 3/day if you wish.




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Looks good man, Hoping I get a bottle to try out
 
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Vaughn, I do wish ! now thats some exceptional customer support right there.

Thanks maddog and johny
 
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subbed in hopes of super-natty results :)
 
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Hmmm... I am going to be over 200 pounds when I run either this or phytoserm 347, the question is would I need to go to 3 per day like you mention above????
 
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Hmmm... I am going to be over 200 pounds when I run either this or phytoserm 347, the question is would I need to go to 3 per day like you mention above????
I'll let the company reps give the final answer, however, because the compound might be similar does not imply the raws and/or processing (formula) are identical, just a thought. The directions I got say that 200lbs was the breakpoint/limit and above that you could increase. Since this is new I'm not entirely sure if there are diminishing returns past a certain consumption i.e. more is not always better. That being said I am a self admitted supplement junkie and typically take more than recommended dose anyway. But since this was a log I have stated I would adhere to the dosing protocol.
 
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I'll let the company reps give the final answer, however, because the compound might be similar does not imply the raws and/or processing (formula) are identical, just a thought. The directions I got say that 200lbs was the breakpoint/limit and above that you could increase. Since this is new I'm not entirely sure if there are diminishing returns past a certain consumption i.e. more is not always better. That being said I am a self admitted supplement junkie and typically take more than recommended dose anyway. But since this was a log I have stated I would adhere to the dosing protocol.
Good man, run it per the bottle so we know if at the recommended dose it is effective. I always do that for logs as well; beggars can't be choosers so to speak.
 
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Saw the bloods and anxious to see how this treats you.
 
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In for your first log! I can understand your skepticism, especially with all the supplements out there and some of the outrageous claims and marketing. I've done a few logs where I have been skeptical too and just tried to focus on getting accurate results. I've had some impress me more then I thought they would like Magnum's DNA, and then some that were pretty dissapointing as well. I'm sure Tropinol will exceed your expectations but a good, consistent, and honest review is always extremely helpful. You get to see if it worked for you and others get to see your (and the other's) log and see how effective it is and if it's worthwhile. Good luck!
 
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In for your first log! I can understand your skepticism, especially with all the supplements out there and some of the outrageous claims and marketing. I've done a few logs where I have been skeptical too and just tried to focus on getting accurate results. I've had some impress me more then I thought they would like Magnum's DNA, and then some that were pretty dissapointing as well. I'm sure Tropinol will exceed your expectations but a good, consistent, and honest review is always extremely helpful. You get to see if it worked for you and others get to see your (and the other's) log and see how effective it is and if it's worthwhile. Good luck!
Many thanks !

"typical or individual results may vary" thats my motto. I've come across many reviews for products that when I ran them didn't pan out. Just a small contribution is what I'll provide and hope when people are considering my review also keep in mind the other loggers. Being of the older crowd I may have some advantage but who knows the effects may be pronounced across all ages / body types / and sexes so a diverse beta group should provide sufficient feedback. Anyway, I'm always looking for improvement and that has led me to sample a variety of natural compounds individually and stacked so I can share with you that I do know and understand their effects /symptoms upon my body quite well from trial and error experiences.
 
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lookin solid bro

hit it hard
Thanks, I'll give it go M, W, F !!
going to quite demanding especially during the festive season and all the temptations. Luckily I have my own home gym equipment and won't have to deal with the flood of new gym wannabe's come after new years
 
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Many thanks !

"typical or individual results may vary" thats my motto. I've come across many reviews for products that when I ran them didn't pan out. Just a small contribution is what I'll provide and hope when people are considering my review also keep in mind the other loggers. Being of the older crowd I may have some advantage but who knows the effects may be pronounced across all ages / body types / and sexes so a diverse beta group should provide sufficient feedback. Anyway, I'm always looking for improvement and that has led me to sample a variety of natural compounds individually and stacked so I can share with you that I do know and understand their effects /symptoms upon my body quite well from trial and error experiences.
I agree and think you'll do well. It's also nice to have a home gym like you and skip all the headaches from the resolutioners packing the gym.
 
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very curious.Let's get this thing rollin'.
one day at a time.

Noticed I've been having some dry mouth so water consumption has increased. Also, unexplainable but appetite was uncontrollable and I kept eating well into the night but not so bad in the morning.

Today's workout went easy, hope the after effects don't punish me.

there is no pun intended for "rollin" and my dry mouth + munchies :)
 
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Hey all - tx for the support and following along. This is a natural supplement so as such will most commonly take some time to kick in. Today is day 4 at 2 caps/day

decoder: (#) = baseline/starting value.


Cliffs: 2
Training Intensity: 5
Recovery Time: 3
Aggression: (4) 5 - up because my coworkers have said I'm being more confrontational. Need to be more aware and control this for the WO
Strength increase: 0
Muscle Gain: TBD
Libido: (5) 6 up a tic, everything seems to perk interest.
Overall thoughts: very hungry and experiencing dry mouth, I'm wicked thirsty so I've increase water intake dramatically which as a result produced more frequent urination. Can't say I've got any "feel" yet, however, seem to get better stretch and fullness (probably muscle memory) and my general disposition has gotten more positive. Typically, in NE winters its more of a slow depression but not now, I suspect the vit. D is contributing in this manner.
 

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In for the ride!!! First logs are always the best man.. just post up what you feel is important and you will more than likely do everything right and nothing more can be asked of. So far, everything looks great! Remember, to much detail distracts people, not enough detail doesn't help people;)

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Cliffs: 3 (day 7)
Training Intensity: 5 + have been doing more reps in a shorter amount of time using better form.
Recovery Time: 3 - no complaint but I did miss Friday WO.
Aggression: (4) 5 – def easier to be set off, really need to be focused on not over reacting.
Strength increase: (0) 1 - see training intensity.
Muscle Gain: TBD
Libido: (5) 6 This has been the most significant attribute to have increased.
Overall thoughts: A higher baseline of energy throughout the day, in bro-science terminology = more alpha male with higher confidence. Still not an over whelming “on” feeling but its sure nice to be on a new supplement. No neg. sides to comment on. Hunger persists.
 

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i am 158lbs height 5'10.. my friends told me to try ambrol or embrol to help me grow and get ripped at the same time but i dont seem to find it.. i also heard of 11-sterone.. would like some feed back on it
 
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Training Intensity: (5) 6
Recovery Time: (3) 5
Aggression: (4) 5
Strength increase: TBD
Muscle Gain: weight at start was 193. Today = 194.5lbs, measurement taken on same scale, again with full cloths and shoes.
Libido: (5) 6 (This has been the most fun)
Overall thoughts: No negatives to comment. Excellent mood, I’m able to manage stress a lot easier. I’m experiencing a positive and sustained energy during the day. Workouts have increased slightly in volume and weight. I’m not usually a gym fanatic; just an everyday guy looking to stay fit and healthy but this stuff has really energized me and my workouts. Been experiencing some muscle memory for sure and mild dom’s, however, knowing the wo intensity has ratcheted up a notch feeling some soreness is on par. The soreness does not linger and it’s not reached that severe consistent nagging bothersome ache level (the kind you get after heavy squats that leaves you not even wanting to sit on a toilet). I’m trusting this new compound, so far using it for just 10 days it has proven most effective for me in more ways than being capable of lifting heavier.
 
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i am 158lbs height 5'10.. my friends told me to try ambrol or embrol to help me grow and get ripped at the same time but i dont seem to find it.. i also heard of 11-sterone.. would like some feed back on it
Hey man thanks for the post, ah... I'm not sure what its about and I've not tried any of the stuff you asked about so I've got no comment other than you can try posting in the supplements section instead.
 

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i am 158lbs height 5'10.. my friends told me to try ambrol or embrol to help me grow and get ripped at the same time but i dont seem to find it.. i also heard of 11-sterone.. would like some feed back on it
hmm, I am not familiar with those other than 11-sterone being a designer hormone. Remember, you can't grow and get ripped at the same time no matter what you do or take. Tropinol is designed to aid in both, but you can only do one at a time.

OP, good to see your having that alpha male mentality :D I like the part about stress, I tend to be very stressed, I will be using mine very soon. Hope it helps me with stress! :)

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Day 16 Wed 22nd

(#) = baseline at start Dec 7th

Training Intensity: (5) 7
Recovery Time: (3) 5
Aggression: (4) 5
Strength increase: TBD
Muscle Gain: Appearance has become more toned/defined just not around the mid section yet, will add in some ab workouts.
Libido: (5) 6
Overall thoughts: Feeling same as when I was on DAA, great ! not quite sure if they would make a synergistic stack or not. I see another bulbine supplement has added nettle root (Urtica Dioica Extract) I am running this solo but have now gone up to 3 caps spread out through the day with the last one around 5pm. Haven’t taken it past this time so I cannot comment for those who workout late at night. I’d like to comment on Training intensity, in a word “Animal” More focused in the routine where I’m striving for better form, not perfection, just not out of controlled jerking of heavier weights. Its allowed for more controlled and better form forced negatives, which I usually avoid. This should and has caused more doms (my reason for avoiding them) however, the severity is diminished from what I’m used to expecting. In that regard I would also have to say the recovery is improved.
 
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I interested by skeptical. I usually don't try anything until I'm sure of the MOA. I also like to know how it effects E2. DAA tends to increase E2 rather dramatically in some cases from what I've seen.
 

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I interested by skeptical. I usually don't try anything until I'm sure of the MOA. I also like to know how it effects E2. DAA tends to increase E2 rather dramatically in some cases from what I've seen.
Raised LH/FSH and estrogen reduction (approx 35%).
 
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I see Tropinol is now up on NP ! with that are also links to several other log's.

My initial comment after reviewing them is that my experience on Libido has been somewhat different. For me the effects were quickly noticed right away, similar to that little blue pill just not to the full extent but def pronounced. However, those same effects have also diminished with continued use but also have been rollercoaster with very strong sensations at first which subsided for a few days and then have returned.

Same with diet and thirst. At first diet was insatiable with dry mouth being thirsty all the time. Food consumption and water intake both increased dramatically for me. These have also diminished to a certain degree.
 

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Do you have bloods to support this claim?
I don't work for i-force.I thought you were just asking what the supposed method of action was for bulbine.I have never taken it,just read up on the studies.But from what i understand i-force does have blood test supporting the claim perhapse they should post if they haven't already somewhere.
 

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Quick question here if anyone could point me in the right direction. I've been reading that the optimal dose of bulbine is 50mg/kg, is that right? I mean for me I'd have to have 4.5 g/day. Do they actually mean mcg? I've been wondering about this for quite a while now.
 
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Looks like things are going well man...Merry christmas buddy!
 
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Quick question here if anyone could point me in the right direction. I've been reading that the optimal dose of bulbine is 50mg/kg, is that right? I mean for me I'd have to have 4.5 g/day. Do they actually mean mcg? I've been wondering about this for quite a while now.
Not quite. 50mg/kg is the dose in rats. To get human dosage, there is a formula that is the rats surface area(6) and divide it by a humans(37) to get .162

Take your .162 and multiply it by the rat dose of 50mg to result in 8.1mg/kg in humans. When we started doing tests in alpha testers, we found the best dose to be lower than that slightly.
 

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Hey, thanks a lot. So according to that I should be around 736 mg/day. I'm guessing that's what you'd get in two caps?
 
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Hey, thanks a lot. So according to that I should be around 736 mg/day. I'm guessing that's what you'd get in two caps?
It's less, for the reasoning I gave in the previous posts. Humans need far less than the rats did
 
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Looks like things are going well man...Merry christmas buddy!
Many thanks, Merry Christmass to you !!

Holiday partying has been a challange for sure. I've been able to limit consuption however, I did go out Thurs night and of course had the x-mass eve bash Fri night too ! Seems to have slowed recovery a little after doing some dead lifts last Thurs (an exercise I've not done since I can remember) my lower back is still aching. Well it's back on track with the diet and supplements !!! gonna have alot of snow to move today.
 

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Your lucky you didn't have a dead lower back and have to shovel! I missed work last year because I dead lifted heavy the day before.. no way in hell I could shovel, I couldn't even bend at the waist!

I know have a self propelled snow blower :)
 
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Day 23 Wed 29th

Supp’s in use
Tropinol (3cap/day)
Vit E 400mg
Vit C 1G
Protien shakes
Creatine
B6
Fish oil / omega3
Multi

Training Intensity: (5) 6
Recovery Time: (3) 5
Aggression: (4) 5
Strength increase: TBD
Muscle Gain: weight at start was 193. Today = 197.1 lbs, measurement taken on same scale, again with full cloths and shoes.
Libido: (5) 8

Overall thoughts: No ill effects to note around dosing times. The most interesting is the effect of taking first thing when I wake up on an empty stomach can really get a good feel from it, kinda like a surge. I did some dead’s prior to the holiday and went a little too much. I’ve not performed them in so long I had to watch a few vid’s to make sure to do them correctly. Even so I was still hurting but only on days 3 and 4 afterwards. Its possible all the celebrating caught up to me (its nice that when using this supplement its not a major worry when the occasional party presents itself) Got back to it yesterday doing FB (chest/legs/bi’s) got the similar dull doms but nothing like before. Was finally able to work out the kinks in the lower back from the deads phew !
 
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Day 30 - Wed Jan. 5th 2011

Training Intensity: (5) 7
Recovery Time: (3) 5
Aggression: (4) 5
Muscle Gain: weight at start was 193. Today = 196 lbs, (down a single pound) measurement taken on same scale, again with full cloths and shoes.
Libido: (5) 8

Cycle is right on. Being natural it typically takes time to accumulate, however, the effects seemed to start right away perhaps its because this is a new compound introduced to my body or the possible placebo effect, either way it was nice ! The instant effects (for me) diminished a little but then returned even more pronounced. I can understand how people would gain 6 to 9 pounds while on this stuff it has made me very hungry and thirsty. At this point the aggression is more easily manageable when not at the gym. The training intensity still kicks in after warm ups. The Recovery time has improved for the typical exercises I normally perform but when attempting a new one, for me it was dead lifts, then the delayed soreness was def present but it took 2 days to appear and did subside more quickly than normal, again possibly because I was eating and drinking a lot more. Muscle gain is a tough one to gauge because I’m just using a scale to measure increase in wght only which includes everything and isn’t very specific to LBM which is what I consider muscle gain. I can easily say I feel more full and have toned up quite a bit everywhere except right in the midsection. I have not followed a valid cardio program or targeted the abs and my diet, mostly clean, has increased. Libido has had a noticeable increase and remained constantly elevated. Overall well being for sure was an increase. I’m a simple fitness buff who experiments with supplements so being real I did party during the holiday’s. To be fair to this log I didn’t get outta control or over indulge to excess, personally I didn’t even feel the need to because I’ve felt so good anyway there was no real sense to get plastered. The product was released and the initial price kinda shocked me, however, there has been some very good sales and that made it very respectable even for a two bottle run. Several things I cannot comment on first I don’t know the effects during summertime or hot temp’s. It winter where I’m at and I do get a good sweat during a workout but just don’t know if this would cause excessive sweating all day. Second my last dose was at the latest 5pm so the effects for those who work out late at night I cannot say. Whenever I take it I do get a good sustained energy rush and I suspect it wouldn’t interfere with my sleep but since I didn’t use it pre bed I’ve got no evidence to report. Well got about a weeks supply left to go time to plan what to do next as a follow up to the Bulbine, recommendations welcome
 
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Day 35 - Mon Jan. 10th 2011

Tropinol: Two bottles run at 3 caps/day
(#) = value when starting.
Training Intensity: (5) 7
Recovery Time: (3) 5
Aggression: (4) 5
Muscle Gain: weight at start was 193. Today = 198 lbs, measurement taken on same scale, again with full cloths and shoes.
Libido: (5) 8

There is much debate in regards to this compound Bulbine. As a beta test logger I stand by all my previous posts because they are only the true reports of the effects I encountered during my run (cycle). I do not try to hype or promote only to provide an unbiased source of real user feedback. I prefaced my log by stating it was my first and have included details specific to my beliefs. I will rewrite again that this is a Natural supplement. I ran it as prescribed solo 3 caps day. It was my intention to compare the effects of Tropinol to a previous T-booster cycle of DAA which I used at 6G/day with additional support supps B6, L-dopa, and TMG. The effects for me were strikingly similar. Neither of them totally took me by surprise, however I did experience undeniably positive effects for using them without any negative sides or worries when my lifestyle provided the casual party from time to time. Unfortunately, for the hardcore skeptics I do not have any supporting medical testing results of hormone levels to produce as scientific evidence. What I do have are my own positive experiences, which I have enjoyed sharing. It’s only a hobby of mine to experiment with supplements in a never-ending quest to find the right combination (that reads a little too much like Star Trek, but oh well) Tropinol has been a very fun and enjoyable experience, thank you iForce.

Final thoughts:

A.) Training intensity: The effort I applied to my workouts did increase quite a lot. I wouldn’t say that I became a drug induced workout maniac, but using this supplement provided me the extra edge.

B.) Recovery time: Right at the start recovery was not an issue and the doms were kept at bay. As the cycle progressed and workouts intensified I altered slightly from my normal routine high reps low weight to reduced reps using lots of additional weight (see Training Intensity). Everything went fine with the lifts I am familiar with, however, when I attempted a style of lift that I had not used before then there was some delayed soreness after 2 days which subsided easily with added stretching, hot showers and some BCAA.

C.) Aggression: Clean and comfortable. What in the hell does that mean ? I’m typically not that aggressive because I tend to let my frustrations out regularly by yelling. During this run I found the aggression easily focused during workouts where I would try to defeat the weight and lift as much as possible. This effort left me drained and comfortable and I haven’t found the need to do so much yelling.

D.) Strength increase: This is difficult to measure because I know I had some muscle memory providing added strength. Will it create an increase in strength – quite possibly just don’t know how to quantify it exactly. My log style did not utilize the format of listing the individual lifts with set/rep/wght being listed again and again.

E.) Muscle Gain & Weight Gain: My appearance has changed and become more toned. The product had the very powerful effect of making me hungry and thirsty so I have gained perhaps a little too much right in the mid section. The weight gain has filled me out and adjusted my proportions so although I think I’ve got a tummy (always on my mind) I actually have a more lean appearance.

F.) Libido: This was a noticeable effect…. for me anyway. But it was inconsistent. It came on powerful immediately but then subsided only to return later. This effect repeated several time throughout the entire run.

G.) How does this stack up to other test boosters: Without wanting to compare to other name brands to initiate retaliatory comments I will say that there are many many offerings available in today’s market. I would put Tropinol high up on anyone’s list of supps to try.

H.) Would I recommend this to others: Yes, because of the positive experiences and the absence of any negative sides. I encourage everyone interested in this type of product to read as many of the logs as possible to make an informed decision.
 
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I have yet to find a natty stack that puts on any significant mass. Some increase strength but strength increases don't always equate to additional mass. The best stack I have found thus far (and I have tried many) is Triazole + Activate XT + Formadrol XT. With this stack my strength increased rather dramatically, especially on my bench press. I also gained a few lean lbs (about 2-3) but my arms increased about 1/4" while maintaining my waist size. I believe that is significant. I am nearly finished with this stack after six weeks. I hope I keep my gains.
My next stack will be Tropinol + Formadrol XT. I have been interested in trying BN for about a year. I usually wait for unsponsored reviews and blood work but in this case my curiosity has gotten the better of me.
 
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I too wanted to stack Tropinol with something to eek out the most as possible. However, as a tester I ran it solo to gauge it on its own. I hear that DAA is g2g as a Tropinol stack. I can't imagine why Formadrol XT wouldn't be a good choice either.
 
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I'm just finishing my 8 week run with Tiazole, Activate and Formadrol. I just purchased a bottle of Tropinol. It will be a good comparison.
 

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I'm just finishing my 8 week run with Tiazole, Activate and Formadrol. I just purchased a bottle of Tropinol. It will be a good comparison.
Sounds awesome! Are you going to do a review/log on it?

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I don't have time to do a log but I will write a review. Personally I like the bottom line resuts anyway I don't like reading a 12 page log full of misc BS.
 

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