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panjo

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So after a little research I have decided to run a pp/sd bridge.
I run it a couple of years ago and had grea results. This time around i am additional going to use Formastene. I am gonna run like this and just wanted any comments changes that may be beneficial:
I wont list all support supps, but I am awrae of what is required and will be running them all!

Week 1 / 20mg pp
Week 2 - 3 / 30mg pp
Week 4 /30mg pp and 10mg sd
week 5 / 20mg sd + formastene
week 6 / 20mg sd + formastene
week 7 / pct assist + nolva 40mg + formastene
week 8 / pct assist + nolva 30mg + formastene
week 9 / pct assist + nolva 20mg
week 10 / pct assist + nolva 10mg

I know most say bridging isnt a good idea but my personal oppinion from experiance is that the short cycles just are not long enough to get the benefit and keep the gains.
As this is a lean bulk I am using the form late on to help drying things up?
 
I personally like to bridge SD>PP

Just ran
SD - 20/30/30
PP - 00/00/30/30/40/50

You'll wanna do this cause SD will provide rapid gains and then you can solidify them by running the phera the additional weeks.

The Forma is a good idea i suppose, although I didn't find phera to be wet like most say at all really so you could just start it during pct and taper down.

Due to the SD + PP being highly suppressive, I suggest you look into HCGenerate, it's great for on cycle to minimize suppression & shutdown and help with libido.

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So this would be a great cycle IMO

SD - 20/30/30
PP - 00/00/30/30/40/40
HCGenerate - 3caps AM/ 2caps PM ED

And you're not going to find a better forma product than this one, it's a win win with Forma Stanzol for servings/ingredients/cost/free shipping/ 10% off with Needto10 -

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Hope this helps buddy. You'll love this cycle my friend
 
Well I pretty much agree with BarbellBeast but if 30mg of phera and 20mg of SD works for you then your original doses are fine. Many people don't need to go to 30 on SD or 50 on phera. But I would do SD first. 6 weeks total. Have fun.
 
You don't need to run the form with SD, it doesn't aromatize. If Anything run it with PP to minimize "wet" effects, unless you're going for that. Personally I would keep the Form for your PCT.
 
Thanks Guys for the info, ill def look into the HCGenerate.
I have run a few cycles since the pp/sd mainly single products such as epi and dplex for short 4 weeks cycle and found them pretty disapointing compared with the pp/sd combo, my reason for running the sd last is that it seems to have a mich greater anabolic effect on me than when i run it first or solo. Last time i ran pp then sd I was literally gaining weight daily, even cutting it short as I felt i had gained enough and my clothes was getting very tight.
Have you had any experience with Stanodrol, I have read that it is good stacked bridged with sd, im condisering using it instead of pp, however as i have not used it before I dont want to be disapointed with the cycle, the plus with pp/sd is that i am certain it will be good.
 
Right, decision made, I am gonna take the advice and run the Mdrol first bridged into Plex as you guys have outlined. I have followed many logs and will give it ago myself early next year (January). I will prob run the forma through out the cycle and taper it 2 weeks into pct. Do you guys think my pct is enough? I am in the UK so dont have access to research chemicals. I have a huge stash of Nolva hence the reson my pct is based around this. Is HCGenerate available in the UK?
Forgot to mention the reason for including the Forma is that I cut a cycle short last year, it was gonna be a combo of x-tren bridged to mdrol, 3 weeks in I showed sign of the feared gyno from the tren alone which I have read is prolactin/progestine related. things cleared up ok but it was obviously a valuable lesson well learned and I want to take every care that it wont happen again. It was def the Tren as I have never had a problem with mdrol, in fact mdrol makes me feel great. Others such as plex/epi/dplex showed no side effects. Do you think forma is a worthwhile precausion. Before you guys point it out, yes my spelling is terrible!

The plan for the cycle will be to bulk, I am currently 198lbs guessing 12% bodyfat. Following the cycle I intend to concentrate on holding onto the gains for 3-4 months then a nice steady cut. The mistake i made last time around was to try and cut straight after the cycle and I think you all no what happened. Ofcourse its all a learning curve and this time around i want to get everything spot on. Your help any suggestions are very much appreciated.
 
panjo said:
Right, decision made, I am gonna take the advice and run the Mdrol first bridged into Plex as you guys have outlined. I have followed many logs and will give it ago myself early next year (January). I will prob run the forma through out the cycle and taper it 2 weeks into pct. Do you guys think my pct is enough? I am in the UK so dont have access to research chemicals. I have a huge stash of Nolva hence the reson my pct is based around this. Is HCGenerate available in the UK?
Forgot to mention the reason for including the Forma is that I cut a cycle short last year, it was gonna be a combo of x-tren bridged to mdrol, 3 weeks in I showed sign of the feared gyno from the tren alone which I have read is prolactin/progestine related. things cleared up ok but it was obviously a valuable lesson well learned and I want to take every care that it wont happen again. It was def the Tren as I have never had a problem with mdrol, in fact mdrol makes me feel great. Others such as plex/epi/dplex showed no side effects. Do you think forma is a worthwhile precausion. Before you guys point it out, yes my spelling is terrible!

The plan for the cycle will be to bulk, I am currently 198lbs guessing 12% bodyfat. Following the cycle I intend to concentrate on holding onto the gains for 3-4 months then a nice steady cut. The mistake i made last time around was to try and cut straight after the cycle and I think you all no what happened. Ofcourse its all a learning curve and this time around i want to get everything spot on. Your help any suggestions are very much appreciated.
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hi buddy

im planning on running a similar cycle next year too. the hcgenerate is something ive not found here in the uk either. however, a thread over at bb.com suggested the ingredients may be underdosed or unlikely to be legit Invalid Link Removed
 
good call. I would run the SD first as well. ACtually I am going to com jan or feb
 
Nice, it seems a few of us have the pp/sd combo coming up. Are you guys gonna log it? it would be fun to see how it goes for us all at the same time as it will show the difference in effects.
Are any of you including Formastene and if so how?
 
I am actually ending my second week doing a SD -> PP bridge. I have run PP and SD solo before. Looking forward to the results of this bridge. I am bridging SD into PP to help hold onto the quick gains from SD. As many of said, it can be quite difficult to keep most gains from SD solo (or running at the end of a bridge.)
 
Mdrol first does seem to make sense. Its interesting how oppinions change over time because when you look at logs over the last few years most people have run the pplex first. The cycle was even outlined by a few supp companies this way.

Mark, what else are you running and what for pct?
 
panjo said:
Mdrol first does seem to make sense. Its interesting how oppinions change over time because when you look at logs over the last few years most people have run the pplex first. The cycle was even outlined by a few supp companies this way.

Mark, what else are you running and what for pct?
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well... im going to take my time planning this ie months

however, i do want to stack stanodrol. the doses of pp and sd im unsure of (and there's still a possbility ill just ran either sd or pp, stacked with stanodrol)

on cycle support, creatine too

pct: creatine, tamoxifen, suppress c, and a test booster: act xtreme.
 
Mark,

Would you run the stanodrol for the full 6 weeks, I have also considered running something liek this.
Week 1 - 3 Mdrol
Week 1 - 6 Stan

Or

Week 3 - 6 Mdrol
Weeks 1 - 6 Stan
 
I did 2 cycles of Mdrol bridged to Pplex, and must say you guys won't be dissapointed!!
 
panjo said:
Mark,

Would you run the stanodrol for the full 6 weeks, I have also considered running something liek this.
Week 1 - 3 Mdrol
Week 1 - 6 Stan

Or

Week 3 - 6 Mdrol
Weeks 1 - 6 Stan
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imo, id' go with plan a. mdrol to elicit fast gains, and the stanodrol to consolidate them.

with plan b, just as you've made all the sd gains, you go straight into pct which will make gains harder to keep
 
panjo said:
Hagels,

How are the gains so far and how have you set up your pct?
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Gains are good, so far I'm up about 10-12 lbs. Aiming for 20 before PCT. Eating big and lifting heavy. Sides are minimal, if any at all. Pumps are crazy enough I have trouble turning the steering wheel when driving home from the gym.

I'm also running dermacrine to help with possible lathargy (along with standard DS/PH support supps). Seems to be working so far.

My PCT is as follows:
Torem: 120-90/90/60/60-30
PCT Assist: 6/6/6/6
Supress-C: 0/0/4/4/4/2/2

Other PCT support: liver juice, creatine, glycergrow, multi, fish/flax oil
 
Hagels,

Please keep us updated over the next few weeks as I will be running a very simular cycle early next year and i am keen to see the results with sd - pp. There are loads of logs but most are pp - sd.
Have you run this cycle before?
You are already up 10-12lbs, its looking like its gonna be a good cycle for you.

You ought to start logging it with weekly updates so we can follow along?
 
Sure thing, I'll keep this thread updated with what happens over the course of the cycle. I have never ran this bridge before, but have heard great things about it.
 
hagels316 said:
Sure thing, I'll keep this thread updated with what happens over the course of the cycle. I have never ran this bridge before, but have heard great things about it.
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Hagels,

Hope things are still going well? any updates for us?
Im really interested to see if your gains continue when you bridge to pplex.
 
Yes, some updates thus far:

I am currently taking 10mg mdrol and 30mg pplex during this week. This is the final bridge week. I will be running pplex at 40mg thereafter. My weight gains have stabilized to about a 20lb gain overall. Strength has been incredible as well, but I am not pushing too far as I injured myself last cycle trying to get as much strength as possible during workouts. Pumps are great, but I know I can't have them forever.

Sides have been minimal. BP was a little hectic during the first couple of weeks, but has since stabilized and is not too much of an issue. Back pumps are minor, and are really only noticeable on deadlift day. Water consumption is high (as it should be). My appetite feels suppressed, but this may be because I am eating more food more often. I will be eating big later this week for sure.

Lethargy is definitely masked by the added dermacrine I am taking as well. I would strongly suggest some type of "test" base. If you can't get the real thing, something like dermacrine is a good otc choice.

I am really hoping the pplex will help solidify the gains from mdrol. I ran mdrol once solo before this, and found it very hard to keep the gains from it. Part 2 of the cycle looks to be starting out well. More updates to come...

Got any questions, lemme know.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Well I pretty much agree with BarbellBeast but if 30mg of phera and 20mg of SD works for you then your original doses are fine. Many people don't need to go to 30 on SD or 50 on phera. But I would do SD first. 6 weeks total. Have fun.
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I'd like to put together a Phera bridge. I have plenty of SD, Halo and Epi. Was hoping to use Epi this time since I haven't used it in a while. Something like this:
Phera 30/30/30/30/00/00/00
Epi 00/00/00/30/40/40/40

or reverse it. Any suggestions? I tend to use Unreal's ideas more often than not.
 
Week 5 update:

Off the mdrol now, running pplex at 40mg along with dermacrine. Had a couple good rest days last week for turkey day. Started back up on Saturday. Strength is still increasing steadily. Weight has gone up a bit too, maybe 4-5 lbs give or take (20-25lb total, size gains are great). I know most of it is glycogen/bloat/water, what have you, but I am hoping to keep most of it while losing the stomach bloat during PCT. No matter how clean my diet is, I always blow up a little bit in the stomach area. I hate carbs, but I gotta eat them to grow. Pumps are incredible. Back pumps are managable.

Lethargy is starting to hit hard, daytime is very tough to do anything, but once I start working out I feel like the hulk. I refuse to cut this cycle short as so much perparation has gone into it. No sign of gyno and my BP is bearable. I have a good PCT planned out so recovery should be efficient. So far, this is one of the best cycles I have done (good preparation and determination are a big part of that).

More updates to come, any questions, just post.
 
kkcinc said:
I'd like to put together a Phera bridge. I have plenty of SD, Halo and Epi. Was hoping to use Epi this time since I haven't used it in a while. Something like this:
Phera 30/30/30/30/00/00/00
Epi 00/00/00/30/40/40/40

or reverse it. Any suggestions? I tend to use Unreal's ideas more often than not.
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I think this looks good man, The Epi will def help dry out some of the Phera gains. Just make sure to preload supports for 2 weeks prior since you are aiming for 6-7 weeks.
 
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