Epi along with clen

i did this back in 2007, I pulsed Epi MWF for 8 weeks and ran clen 2 on 2 off. I am not the best epi responder but overall it was effective enough. The main comment I have is to expect headaches. I am prone to headaches from clen and then combined with Epi the became pretty regular.
 
Thanks for the responses boys, I'm just trying to figure out the best way to run this with the smallest amount of sides....

unreals got me considering a similar pulse

thanks again
 
EPI is pretty mild on sides for most from what I hear, no sides for me with two different kinds so I would just say run a straight cycle rather than a pulse.
 
the advantage of pulsing here is that you get to run it longer which gives you more time to cut, and I have to assume this is a cut because of the clen
 
Yes it is a cut, at first I was considering a cut with just clen but my research shows some discrepancy in whether clen preserves muscle because of its anti-catabolic capability or whether there is some muscle wasting with clen. I have read both. Too be on the safe side (and fun side haha) I figured that it would be better to run something along side the clen to help preserve and to possibly gain some muscle.

-mpd
 
I found clen to not work well as an anti-catabolic agent

Epi is still around and easy to find. Here is a good clone called Epi-Strong, it is a few bucks more but you get 15mg per capsule instead of 10.
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the point of cycling clen 2 on 2 off is to allow a period for upregulation of beta2 receptors... so if you take ephedrine during this period, that will also hit beta2 receptors, so it defeats the purpose of cycling clen. It will still work just not as effectively. If you want to cycle these things without breaks then look into ketotifen or benadryl.
 
Unreal, if you take the benedryl at night along with the clen are you saying you won't have to do the 2 on 2 off? so you can run it for 4 wks straight?
 
ya. I am not really sure on the dosing for benadryl or ketotifen but I'm sure you could find the information very quick. But yes what's important is if you take those, you can clear the beta2 receptors and so you can stay on clen/ephedrine indefinitely.
 
UnrealMachine said:
ya. I am not really sure on the dosing for benadryl or ketotifen but I'm sure you could find the information very quick. But yes what's important is if you take those, you can clear the beta2 receptors and so you can stay on clen/ephedrine indefinitely.
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Great, cause i did the 2 wk on and 2 wk off before and really didn't have much success. But it could be bunk or my body must not respond well to it. can anyone shed light on the dosage for the benedryl?
 
bigwilley19 said:
take 2 tabs a night (50 mg)....u will probly be drowsy in the morning tho
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I am on 7 of 9 weeks, so just finished my Benadryl week. I slept very well this last week. Slightly drowsy, but morning cardio wakes me up. My bf loss has slowed down. It went from about 0.5%bf/wk to about 0.25%/wk at 11%. Not sure if the cause is because it is harder to lose at the lower bf, beta2 receptors, or both. As for anti-catabolic effects of clen, I think I have lost about 5 pounds of muscle, but I believe most of the loss is from T3. Thinking of trying without T3 next time, to see if I can keep more gains.
 
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