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Priming for the Summer (Test-E/Havoc)

Dude. I see a tremendous improvement in your overall physique. However much of a "wow factor" the test lacked, you sure can't tell by looking at your gains. Great work on the diet and training. I don't remember having that type of recomp off epi alone. I hope things get better for ya at 750 but I say you've done a hell of a job so far bro. I'll be running my first test cycle about 3 months from now and have found your log very informative and insightful. Best of luck.
 
monsterbox said:
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After 15 weeks, recomping so far...500mg test. Gained good size, still at 200lbs even.

About to finished second 20ml bottle...going on to a third and increasing to 750mg for the next 8 weeks, then calling quits. Total of a 25 weeks cycle
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Damn bro, i see some big improvements. Especially your shoulders look a lot bigger. Good job dude! :D
 
thanks guys. to be honest i'm severely not-impressed with my performance. I consider my gains slight. I ate way under maintenance, didn't do any cardio, and was depressed, drank, started using tobacco way to much and had the worst 3 months of my life with a break-up and school troubles. This was THE most inconsistent time period i've had in 3 years of lifting. I've pretty much recomped because I didn't eat.

I wish I could do it over again and eat right, id probably be at 220lbs solid right now.

I can 100% swear thats its true, steroids don't move you anywhere if you don't eat like a horse. The testosterone had its place, and that was to preserve muscle through my rough times. There was a point in time where I didn't eat for 48hrs straight.
 
either way you made a good transformation... i think the IGF/havoc spoiled you. I used Igf solo and had some of the sickest pumps i've ever experienced, can't imagine what it's like on test/orals.
 
You have come a long ways.
Keep up the good work you have done good.

monsterbox said:
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After 15 weeks, recomping so far...500mg test. Gained good size, still at 200lbs even.

About to finished second 20ml bottle...going on to a third and increasing to 750mg for the next 8 weeks, then calling quits. Total of a 25 weeks cycle
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ive been on the gels now for 2 weeks...the test should be out of my system very shortly. I've started up havoc again, been on for almost 9 days. Getting my diet back in check, I'm up to 203.5lbs today. Strength is sky-high.

I just repped out 245x5x5 on bench, with 80lb db flys and dips with 2 plates

Today I did bent over rows 315lbs 5 times on BB.

I'm way more pumped then on the test. Havoc, once again, is by far way stronger than 500mg of test. Im rock hard again, veins coming out like nasty, and almost totally roided out compared to the test, ONCE again.

I dont understand what the deal is, but every f*cking time i touch havoc I grow. Its only be 9 days. I'm going to run it out to 30 days, and hit my 210lb goal, and call it quits until next year or christmas break, then i may crank up 250mg test/tren ace or something.

So far the cycle has been:
test 500/500/500/500/500/500/500/500/500/500/500/500/500/500/500/500
havoc 20/30/30/30............................................................................
 
are u worried about fertility issues being so young and on a long cycle/ trt for life? just wondering.. im thinking of extending my current cycle for a little while.. just worried about having a kid somewhere down the line in like 10-12 yrs

btw your looking huge dude.. keep up the good work..
 
bigzach1234 said:
are u worried about fertility issues being so young and on a long cycle/ trt for life? just wondering.. im thinking of extending my current cycle for a little while.. just worried about having a kid somewhere down the line in like 10-12 yrs

btw your looking huge dude.. keep up the good work..
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yes, but it makes no differnce whether you are 1000mg of test/dbol/deca/tren/winstrol or 150mg of Test for TRT. Shutdown is shutdown.

I'm on HCG for life along with test. The HCG keeps my balls full. I've been on TRT for a little over a year now, and my balls are just as full as before, if not larger. When i'm ready to have kids its a matter of stimulating FSH. HCG mimics LH and to a small degree, FSH. Down the road all i should need to do is through in some HMG.
 
do you guys think i have what it takes to compete at the ameature level soon, if i decide to shred up and work hard?
 
same problem here. calves never wanna grow. i feel calves are genetics.. either you have monster calves or small calves. i know a guy that never works out his calves and they're huge!
 
BarbellBeast said:
same problem here. calves never wanna grow. i feel calves are genetics.. either you have monster calves or small calves. i know a guy that never works out his calves and they're huge!
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I'd agree for the most part.

I grew up playing hockey and rollerblading, and never work calves directly and mine are pretty decent.
 
BarbellBeast said:
same problem here. calves never wanna grow. i feel calves are genetics.. either you have monster calves or small calves. i know a guy that never works out his calves and they're huge!
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Genetics are the biggest factor for sure.
Remember calves are composed of mostly fast twitch muscle fiber, so to grow they need daily attention with high-reps. Ice skating is the perfect example-hockey players get huge calves.
 
timmmah said:
Genetics are the biggest factor for sure.
Remember calves are composed of mostly fast twitch muscle fiber, so to grow they need daily attention with high-reps. Ice skating is the perfect example-hockey players get huge calves.
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I played hockey and my quads/hamstrings just grew insanely massive from a young age. Calves...nothing.
 
Sh!itty, well if you find something that works, be sure to let me know. I'm tired of chicken legs. I heard calf injections, but I also heard they're painfull as hell. Ever try it?
 
+1 for higher frequency, higher rep training on calves, this is because they are *slow twitch* muscle fibers. I got my best calf soreness ever by doing dropsets with 30 reps per set, the burn is so brutal.
 
timmmah said:
Genetics are the biggest factor for sure.
Remember calves are composed of mostly fast twitch muscle fiber, so to grow they need daily attention with high-reps. Ice skating is the perfect example-hockey players get huge calves.
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Edit:I meant slow twitch :sad6:
 
damn.

Getting stronger every day. Keeping calories consistent and weight has dropped to 200lbs even, but my bf is getting lower, my arms are bigger, pumps are insane, strength is great. I'm throwing up 255lbs on bench like candy canes for sets of 5. This may not seem like alot, but 3 years ago i was barely repping 115lbs.

Did T-bar rows the other day and sprained the sh*t out of my wirst. I threw 6 plates on board pulled it a few times, jerked to complete the last rep and kinked my wrist to the side. It hurt really bad yesterday, hurts with supination/pronation.

NO swelling, or buising, or spot pain. Only pain with movement. Should i keep working through this? It obviously just a strained ligament. Pain is tolerable with strong wrist wraps and 2-3 ibuprofens.

My chripractor said its not torn, no major damage was done, but its loosened/stretched and my wrist is going to feel a little sloppy for a few months. He said i should continue to train but stay out of the pain ranges. It feels fine in bench press setting, but if i try to turn a door knob it hurts really bad.
 
soma said:
How old is your bottle of havoc? Could it be old and have turned to phera to a greater degree?
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not too old, I was finishing off a Primaforce bottle, it did sit in the sun in my car for a few hours one day. Which could have turned it to phera...but whatever, it feels like havoc...

I'm on a newer bottle now that was sitting in my closet. I dont really believe the whole "change to phera thing"
 
any idea on the injury guys?

Doc gave me naprelan...its a 24hr alieve...supposedly its not hard on the liver...but i'd rather not take it and just deal with the pain.

I'm thinking of bumping up to 60mg of havoc for the next 2 weeks and calling it quits.
 
monsterbox said:
any idea on the injury guys?

Doc gave me naprelan...its a 24hr alieve...supposedly its not hard on the liver...but i'd rather not take it and just deal with the pain.

I'm thinking of bumping up to 60mg of havoc for the next 2 weeks and calling it quits.
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Is this an anti inflammatory? They are counter productive to muscle growth from what I understand, I avoid them if at all possible
 
tim1985 said:
Is this an anti inflammatory? They are counter productive to muscle growth from what I understand, I avoid them if at all possible
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yes, but i doubt its that couter productive consider i'm on HRT and 50mg of havoc lol...

I just switched to 4 advil/day. 2 morning 2 night.

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Unpumped.


Iv decided to maintain calories. Im liking the hardness/leaness and muscle gain. I"m now down to 200lbs but strength is way up and i'm getting bigger...go figure.
 
today i feel f*cking jacked, and i'm loosing body fat. Havoc ALWAYS blows my mind. F*ck every other steroid. The more epi the better. Hell I'm SO tempted to bump up to 60-70mg for the rest of the cycle.

I'm at day 26 right now. Been running 40mg for the past week. Should I get a liver panel done right now before bumping the dose? I'm really curious of the taxation.

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Im so shocked at this recomp effect by just maintaining calories, which are now becoming deficit. Veins, cuts, pumps are incredible, without any cardio...I just dont know what to do with my diet the next 2 weeks. Eat big or eat less?

Sample Diet of Today:
12:00PM wake up :) ... Monsterbox shake - 1 banana, 1 tsp PB, 1 cup oats, 40g whey, 8oz milk
Meal 2 - hamburger paddy + brown rice
Meal 3 - Beef Stew w/ potatoes, and 45g whey shake
Meal 4 - hamburger paddy + whole wheat pasta
Meal 5 - 2 string cheese sticks, bowl of oatmeal
Meal 6 - 45g whey shake
 
monsterbox said:
today i feel f*cking jacked, and i'm loosing body fat. Havoc ALWAYS blows my mind. F*ck every other steroid. The more epi the better. Hell I'm SO tempted to bump up to 60-70mg for the rest of the cycle.

I'm at day 26 right now. Been running 40mg for the past week. Should I get a liver panel done right now before bumping the dose? I'm really curious of the taxation.

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Im so shocked at this recomp effect by just maintaining calories, which are now becoming deficit. Veins, cuts, pumps are incredible, without any cardio...I just dont know what to do with my diet the next 2 weeks. Eat big or eat less?

Sample Diet of Today:
12:00PM wake up :) ... Monsterbox shake - 1 banana, 1 tsp PB, 1 cup oats, 40g whey, 8oz milk
Meal 2 - hamburger paddy + brown rice
Meal 3 - Beef Stew w/ potatoes, and 45g whey shake
Meal 4 - hamburger paddy + whole wheat pasta
Meal 5 - 2 string cheese sticks, bowl of oatmeal
Meal 6 - 45g whey shake
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do, it bro, this is not something often said on these forums, but you really should up your dose....

I ran it at 80mg for 8 weeks, stacked with 180mg of xtren for eight weeks with no support supps. I didnt get bloodwork, but had no issues whatsover.
 
bro 80mg for 8 week....holy crap. That sounds amazing and dangerous lol!

Is there a point of diminishing returns? I would think the marginal benefit becomes short at 80mg...thats insanely high.
 
today completes 1 month on havoc. Day 30. I plan to finish out another 12 days. However I'm experiencing some extreme lethargy. Without caffeine, I cannot do anything. Whats the cause of this? I'm on a testosterone base remember?
 
i think we usually attribute lethargy to low endogenous test but it maybe that low endogenous test -> low estrogen and this far into epi your estrogen is probably low. Just a guess.
 
epi def doesn't lower my e by any means. It actually bloats me and increases my E when stacked with T.

I have to use more arimidex on cycle.
 
that's weird man, very weird, but I have never fully understood how epi kills some people's estrogen and seems to raise it in others, gives some people gyno and cures other peoples gyno.

I dunno man, I have never experienced extreme lethargy as a side effect
 
monsterbox said:
epi def doesn't lower my e by any means. It actually bloats me and increases my E when stacked with T.

I have to use more arimidex on cycle.
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I get this aswel.

My guess is low blood sugar levels which strong orals tend have a strong effect on due to their potent nature. I know that m1t and SD make me ridiculously tired all the time, unless Im eating lots of high GI carbs with low fats.

There is theory it is linked to liver stress but personally I seriously doubt that.
 
monsterbox said:
bro 80mg for 8 week....holy crap. That sounds amazing and dangerous lol!

Is there a point of diminishing returns? I would think the marginal benefit becomes short at 80mg...thats insanely high.
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Well it was the best "recomp" cycle I've ever done in my life, and I've run tren twice. My goal however was to gain mass so I was on a pretty heavy bulk diet.

It was a while ago, but I remember having the most sick vascularity and strength. It was actually scary lol I remember doing curls and In the mirror I could see the whole gym staring in awe at my face/neck/bicep hose veins. It was ****ing awesome. I was benching 2.5x my bw at the time with a pause at my chest which was the highest strength/weight ratio I've ever had
 
hungryH said:
Well it was the best "recomp" cycle I've ever done in my life, and I've run tren twice. My goal however was to gain mass so I was on a pretty heavy bulk diet.

It was a while ago, but I remember having the most sick vascularity and strength. It was actually scary lol I remember doing curls and In the mirror I could see the whole gym staring in awe at my face/neck/bicep hose veins. It was ****ing awesome. I was benching 2.5x my bw at the time with a pause at my chest which was the highest strength/weight ratio I've ever had
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it's up to you bro, but I think I should point out that the forums Ive seen you on (ph forum/bb.com/here) are extremely conservative and overly cautious with orals, moreso than necessary. Many AAS run orals such as winny, dbol and ever drol for 6-16 weeks and are fine.

I am not recommending this, just stating a fact.
Check out elitefitnessisteroid/steroidology foums
 
hungryH said:
it's up to you bro, but I think I should point out that the forums Ive seen you on (ph forum/bb.com/here) are extremely conservative and overly cautious with orals, moreso than necessary. Many AAS run orals such as winny, dbol and ever drol for 6-16 weeks and are fine.

I am not recommending this, just stating a fact.
Check out elitefitnessisteroid/steroidology foums
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well. i would like to but let me tell you a story.

I took pplex and bridged it into sd...only ran the SD for a week. Got really shutdown and started having panic attacks. Had my blood drawn for the hell of it...my alt/ast were both over 500! A week later they were 250...one week later they were back to the 30's...

So, this leads me to believe orals are really doing alot of damage that is gone before you recognize it.

Im curious to see what havoc is doing to my enzymes. Id like to get a blood test right now...if they are within spec or only slightly elevated im willing to go on a limb at try 70-80mg for a few more weeks...i dont have to worry about hpta at all.
 
monsterbox said:
well. i would like to but let me tell you a story.

I took pplex and bridged it into sd...only ran the SD for a week. Got really shutdown and started having panic attacks. Had my blood drawn for the hell of it...my alt/ast were both over 500! A week later they were 250...one week later they were back to the 30's...

So, this leads me to believe orals are really doing alot of damage that is gone before you recognize it.

Im curious to see what havoc is doing to my enzymes. Id like to get a blood test right now...if they are within spec or only slightly elevated im willing to go on a limb at try 70-80mg for a few more weeks...i dont have to worry about hpta at all.
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Well of course you know your own body better than I do. You must realize that everyone is affected differently, I ran the original AX superdrol for 4 weeks at 30 when it first came out, made great gains, and my bloods came back fine.

If thats is the case I think it would definitely be smart to do some bloods before you go so high on that havoc
 
monsterbox said:
well. i would like to but let me tell you a story.

I took pplex and bridged it into sd...only ran the SD for a week. Got really shutdown and started having panic attacks. Had my blood drawn for the hell of it...my alt/ast were both over 500! A week later they were 250...one week later they were back to the 30's...

So, this leads me to believe orals are really doing alot of damage that is gone before you recognize it.

Im curious to see what havoc is doing to my enzymes. Id like to get a blood test right now...if they are within spec or only slightly elevated im willing to go on a limb at try 70-80mg for a few more weeks...i dont have to worry about hpta at all.
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I just have a question for you about trt.....Do you think it was going AAS so young which caused you to need trt? I remember reading your log of havoc on bb.com a few years back of havoc, and I remember from your "before" pics that you were in very good shape, so I highly doubt that your test was very low naturally?
 
hungryH said:
I just have a question for you about trt.....Do you think it was going AAS so young which caused you to need trt? I remember reading your log of havoc on bb.com a few years back of havoc, and I remember from your "before" pics that you were in very good shape, so I highly doubt that your test was very low naturally?
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Well to be completely honest i'm not 100% sure, but i'm about 90% sure I already had a problem.

I have a grade III varicocele...its visibily noticeable veins running to my left testicle. My left testicle is much smaller compared to my right. Its always been like that...

Also, I never had much facial or body hair, and I had bad mood swings all my teenage years. I always had trouble gaining muscle...i've been lifting and eating right since 8th grade. It wasn't until TRT that things started really coming together. I feel totally different on TRT. My dosage is within range...I sit around 1000ng/dl which is right at the peak range for my age and I feel totally different. My sex drive, mood, outlook, personality, is alot different.

I remember back when I was younger, I would just be extremely frustrated/angry for no apparent reason at times. I belive it was because of low-t to begin with...

I went on a clomid "restart" for 10 weeks! Using 50mg/daily. My levels went from 300ng/dl to 600+ng/dl...but unfortunately they did not stay elevated.

So in the end, I did not have a "problem" and i'm sure steroids must have complicated thing, but I consider living with average level testosterone, IE 300-500ng/dl at 20 years old, less than mediocre for my life style. I would much rather be on TRT.
 
This is becoming the most insane recomp ever.

Weight: 204lbs

MEASURED BF w/ 9pt caliper = 12.5%, 25lbs of fat on my frame...this makes me 179lbs of pure lean body mass.

Arms: 17.5 Left, 16.75 Right
Chest: 47 inches


So, what should I do as far as competeing?

The competition is in April next year. That gives me 5.5 months to drop around 6% of my bodyfat.

Weight Classes: Middle Weight 143-176, Light HeavyWeight 176-198.....what should I try to compete in? Remember i'm 5' 7'' If I dropped to middle weight, I would destroy the competition, but I dont think I want to loose that much muscle/fat. I either need to cut insane down to 176 or recomp like nuts at 198, and get my bodyfat down to 7% (gain 12lbs of muscle, and loose fat at the same rate)

Recomp seems possible...20 week cycle of some sort, gain .5lb of muscle, loose .5lb of fat each week...Test-E 20wks, Tren 8wks? Eat at maintanance....just doesn't seem like enough time unless I just bridged right now into a hardcore pre-contest cycle for 5 months...sounds terrible.
 
monsterbox said:
Well to be completely honest i'm not 100% sure, but i'm about 90% sure I already had a problem.

I have a grade III varicocele...its visibily noticeable veins running to my left testicle. My left testicle is much smaller compared to my right. Its always been like that...

Also, I never had much facial or body hair, and I had bad mood swings all my teenage years. I always had trouble gaining muscle...i've been lifting and eating right since 8th grade. It wasn't until TRT that things started really coming together. I feel totally different on TRT. My dosage is within range...I sit around 1000ng/dl which is right at the peak range for my age and I feel totally different. My sex drive, mood, outlook, personality, is alot different.

I remember back when I was younger, I would just be extremely frustrated/angry for no apparent reason at times. I belive it was because of low-t to begin with...

I went on a clomid "restart" for 10 weeks! Using 50mg/daily. My levels went from 300ng/dl to 600+ng/dl...but unfortunately they did not stay elevated.

So in the end, I did not have a "problem" and i'm sure steroids must have complicated thing, but I consider living with average level testosterone, IE 300-500ng/dl at 20 years old, less than mediocre for my life style. I would much rather be on TRT.
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I ask because I have been thinking about it too.....I am twenty six years old and have been training since I was fourteen. I did my first cycle when I was 18, and only after that did I even look like I even lifted..I also had no facial/body hair.....I've gotten precycle bloodwork, and it usually floats around 300-350ng/dl.

Did you simply ask to be put on it? I don't think I qualify, because I am still in the "normal" range
 
monsterbox said:
This is becoming the most insane recomp ever.

Weight: 204lbs

MEASURED BF w/ 9pt caliper = 12.5%, 25lbs of fat on my frame...this makes me 179lbs of pure lean body mass.

Arms: 17.5 Left, 16.75 Right
Chest: 47 inches


So, what should I do as far as competeing?

The competition is in April next year. That gives me 5.5 months to drop around 6% of my bodyfat.

Weight Classes: Middle Weight 143-176, Light HeavyWeight 176-198.....what should I try to compete in? Remember i'm 5' 7'' If I dropped to middle weight, I would destroy the competition, but I dont think I want to loose that much muscle/fat. I either need to cut insane down to 176 or recomp like nuts at 198, and get my bodyfat down to 7% (gain 12lbs of muscle, and loose fat at the same rate)

Recomp seems possible...20 week cycle of some sort, gain .5lb of muscle, loose .5lb of fat each week...Test-E 20wks, Tren 8wks? Eat at maintanance....just doesn't seem like enough time unless I just bridged right now into a hardcore pre-contest cycle for 5 months...sounds terrible.
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It is definitely possible with tren, and I would also recommend Superdrol too, but thats obviously not an option.......You could do a nice bulker with some test, deca, and some oral like drol or dbol if you can handle it, and then cut down with some test prop, havoc, and dnp. I ran the stuff for the first time just there a few weeks ago, and you drop literally 2%bf a week.
 
hungryH said:
I ask because I have been thinking about it too.....I am twenty six years old and have been training since I was fourteen. I did my first cycle when I was 18, and only after that did I even look like I even lifted..I also had no facial/body hair.....I've gotten precycle bloodwork, and it usually floats around 300-350ng/dl.

Did you simply ask to be put on it? I don't think I qualify, because I am still in the "normal" range
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haha...bro i went to like 20 endo's...no one would help because i was "low-normal" and was "overzealous" and I "wont feel any better on testosterone"

So, I went to dr. crisler.
 
hungryH said:
It is definitely possible with tren, and I would also recommend Superdrol too, but thats obviously not an option.......You could do a nice bulker with some test, deca, and some oral like drol or dbol if you can handle it, and then cut down with some test prop, havoc, and dnp. I ran the stuff for the first time just there a few weeks ago, and you drop literally 2%bf a week.
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DNP is just so dangerous...my buddy took it lost 14lbs in 9 days of PURE fat. Like 14lbs that was gone weeks later, and actually had a rebound increase in strength. I'm just way to afraid of that stuff man.

I dont want to mess with deca. Don't want any deca d*ck issues. The only progestin I would consider is tren and thats it...

I need some time off...I need to get stablized again on my TRT and get a blood test. I will get back on in January is need be. I would do a 16 week pre-contest cycle...kick off the first half with Dbol-Test, dry up on the second half with tren ace/winny?
 
monsterbox said:
DNP is just so dangerous...my body lost 14lbs in 9 days of PURE fat. Like 14lbs that was gone weeks later, and actually had a rebound increase in strength. I'm just way to afraid of that stuff man.

I dont want to mess with deca. Don't want any deca d*ck issues. The only progestin I would consider is tren and thats it...

I need some time off...I need to get stablized again on my TRT and get a blood test. I will get back on in January is need be. I would do a 16 week pre-contest cycle...kick off the first half with Dbol-Test, dry up on the second half with tren ace/winny?
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Looks good to me!

Btw, from personal experience "deca ****" is far more pronounced with tren than it is with deca. A decent dose of test will sort you out fine though.

Damn that is crazy dnp results.When did you run it?? I had to run my stuff at 1.4 grams a day to lose 4 pounds a week. Ran for 3 weeks so lost 12 pounds....Was most likely highly underdosed.

Can I just ask you, did it give you diarrhea lol? It was like everything I ate magically turned to **** instantly and then I couldnt control my bowels haha
 
monsterbox said:
haha...bro i went to like 20 endo's...no one would help because i was "low-normal" and was "overzealous" and I "wont feel any better on testosterone"

So, I went to dr. crisler.
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I don't think I'd be so lucky.

I know this sounds unethical, but I was thinking of doing a cycle, of say mdrol for 4 weeks, then going to an endo a week later without doing pct. However my test might be TOO low causing them to be suspicious.....
 
hungryH said:
Looks good to me!

Btw, from personal experience "deca ****" is far more pronounced with tren than it is with deca. A decent dose of test will sort you out fine though.

Damn that is crazy dnp results.When did you run it?? I had to run my stuff at 1.4 grams a day to lose 4 pounds a week. Ran for 3 weeks so lost 12 pounds....Was most likely highly underdosed.

Can I just ask you, did it give you diarrhea lol? It was like everything I ate magically turned to **** instantly and then I couldnt control my bowels haha
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WHOOPS I meant to say my BUDDY, not my body!
 
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