best beginner cutting ph?

[tbarrows]

What's up y'all, I've been giving this a lot of thought and am definitely leaning towards running my first ph. I would ideally like to run more of a cutting ph than anything else. I see a lot of people running hdrol as their first ph, but for my goals I was wondering if something like epi would be best? I'm currently around 190lbs, avi is a few months old, I've leaned out a little more since then. I don't want to lose a ton of weight, I'd just like to shed some body fat.

I'm doing EC w/Erase right now to see what happens and possibly looking at a winter ph run.

Any suggestions from research or personal usage on a solid beginner cutting ph would be very helpful. I've got all my support supps in line and nolva or clomid (whichever I choose) readily available.

Thanks guys!

 

[bigpapa]

cutting is 90% diet, training and cardio. any ph/aas can be used for cutting or bulking. first run, halodrol or epi

 

[MidwestBeast]

cutting is 90% diet, training and cardio. any ph/aas can be used for cutting or bulking. first run, halodrol or epi

^^^ Smart man.

I'm running my first PH now at 25 myself. Feel free to pop in the thread if you wanna see how it's going. I'm only on Day 5 of Epi (w/ Stano-Drol running alongside) and bridging into H-Drol.

 

[Rodja]

HD would be my recommendation.

BTW, cutting on DS/AAS is so easy as long as you take care of business in the kitchen and the gym.

 

[tbarrows]

HD would be my recommendation.

BTW, cutting on DS/AAS is so easy as long as you take care of business in the kitchen and the gym.

Agreed. I attribute all the gains I've been able to make with my body soley to my diet thus far. I sought help from a retired natty competitor who really helped me with my diet a few months ago and have come a long way, which is why I feel comfortable now with adding a DS in.

I was actually considering androhard for a while from PP... it looked good for a first ph, no?

Midwest, I was actually just following along with your log yesterday and here you are in my thread, thanks bro! Things are looking good for you, I'll definitely continue to follow along.

 

[Rodja]

Agreed. I attribute all the gains I've been able to make with my body soley to my diet thus far. I sought help from a retired natty competitor who really helped me with my diet a few months ago and have come a long way, which is why I feel comfortable now with adding a DS in.

I was actually considering androhard for a while from PP... it looked good for a first ph, no?

Midwest, I was actually just following along with your log yesterday and here you are in my thread, thanks bro! Things are looking good for you, I'll definitely continue to follow along.

AH isn't really intended to be a stand-alone product, but it would work great in a cutting cycle for hardness, vascularity, and to promote extra fat loss.

 

[MidwestBeast]

Midwest, I was actually just following along with your log yesterday and here you are in my thread, thanks bro! Things are looking good for you, I'll definitely continue to follow along.

Glad to hear you were in there, man.

You seem to know your stuff as far as understanding it'll only assist the process if your diet and training are really on point, so you could benefit from it. Funny too, I was running E/C prior to this . I'll likely turn back to that once I finish my run.

 

[tbarrows]

AH isn't really intended to be a stand-alone product, but it would work great in a cutting cycle for hardness, vascularity, and to promote extra fat loss.

What is andorhard meant to be stacked with or best to be stacked with?

Glad to hear you were in there, man.

You seem to know your stuff as far as understanding it'll only assist the process if your diet and training are really on point, so you could benefit from it. Funny too, I was running E/C prior to this . I'll likely turn back to that once I finish my run.

Dude it took me forever to man up and give E/C a shot, I'm only on the 4th day so far so obviously I'll be giving it a few weeks to see what it can do before jumping to something else. As a first ph cycle for yourself what made you run epi with stano-drol along side with a bridge into hdrol and not just epi to see how you respond first? Just curious.

 

[Rodja]

What is andorhard meant to be stacked with or best to be stacked with?



Dude it took me forever to man up and give E/C a shot, I'm only on the 4th day so far so obviously I'll be giving it a few weeks to see what it can do before jumping to something else. As a first ph cycle for yourself what made you run epi with stano-drol along side with a bridge into hdrol and not just epi to see how you respond first? Just curious.

HD or Epi.

 

[MidwestBeast]

Dude it took me forever to man up and give E/C a shot, I'm only on the 4th day so far so obviously I'll be giving it a few weeks to see what it can do before jumping to something else. As a first ph cycle for yourself what made you run epi with stano-drol along side with a bridge into hdrol and not just epi to see how you respond first? Just curious.

Haha, I ran E/C the first time Summer of '09 and it was nuts - LOVED it. At the time, I had a job where I had to wear a shirt and tie and that was miserable. Basketball was just ridiculous; I was like a frog or something because I might as well have had a layer of oil on my skin. I didn't understand the nutritional aspect near as good as I do now and I still dropped about 15 lbs or so.

As far as the PH goes; back in my quick fix times, I purchased H-Drol and Stano-Drol after reading about them as "cutting" drugs - at the time, I just assumed "cool take this and get ripped." But luckily I was smart enough to hold off on using them (for the record, I didn't even know they were hormonal, so I wouldn't have had a proper PCT lined up at all...terrible stuff).

Anyway, I've dedicated the last year or so almost entirely to researching nutrition and everything else and really got it locked in. So, i figured I'd give this a shot. I had both of these on hand and got a chance to run the Epi for NTBM. Had enough Stano-Drol to run it alongside both H-Drol and Epi for the duration and it seemed like a solid pairing being that it's non-methylated.

 

[tbarrows]

HD or Epi.

epi-strong/andro hard cycle sounds badass!

Haha, I ran E/C the first time Summer of '09 and it was nuts - LOVED it. At the time, I had a job where I had to wear a shirt and tie and that was miserable. Basketball was just ridiculous; I was like a frog or something because I might as well have had a layer of oil on my skin. I didn't understand the nutritional aspect near as good as I do now and I still dropped about 15 lbs or so.

As far as the PH goes; back in my quick fix times, I purchased H-Drol and Stano-Drol after reading about them as "cutting" drugs - at the time, I just assumed "cool take this and get ripped." But luckily I was smart enough to hold off on using them (for the record, I didn't even know they were hormonal, so I wouldn't have had a proper PCT lined up at all...terrible stuff).

Anyway, I've dedicated the last year or so almost entirely to researching nutrition and everything else and really got it locked in. So, i figured I'd give this a shot. I had both of these on hand and got a chance to run the Epi for NTBM. Had enough Stano-Drol to run it alongside both H-Drol and Epi for the duration and it seemed like a solid pairing being that it's non-methylated.

damn dude that's good to hear about the E/C, I'm hoping to have similar results! The appetite suppresion is defiitely strong on this, I find it difficult to eat my meals every 3 hours but still cramming what I can fit down. I too have a job that requires me to dress in business attire and sit at a desk all day long so I'm with you on that, my body temp usually rises mid day to where I'm sweating. Luckily I've got control of the thermostat and can keep it nice and cool. I haven't tried much in the way of cardio besides LISS so far, I think I'm too scared to play basketball as of right now, got my league starting up soon so hopefully it won't affect me too much... I'll stick to bowling with my gf for now haha.

Thanks for explaining your cycle, very interesting. That's funny because a few years ago in college I had bougth LG's methyl masterdrol at a mom and pop supp store in south jersey that sells lots of ph's but never took it. My buddy who recommended it told me it 'all natural', he took 2 bottles with no pct and look who's on propecia now! But yea I was the same way, glad I didn't take it back then and am now much, much wiser about the when's and how to's of pro hormones/steroids. I've definitely got my eye on epi-strong... how's your libido looking?

 

[MidwestBeast]

epi-strong/andro hard cycle sounds badass!



damn dude that's good to hear about the E/C, I'm hoping to have similar results! The appetite suppresion is defiitely strong on this, I find it difficult to eat my meals every 3 hours but still cramming what I can fit down. I too have a job that requires me to dress in business attire and sit at a desk all day long so I'm with you on that, my body temp usually rises mid day to where I'm sweating. Luckily I've got control of the thermostat and can keep it nice and cool. I haven't tried much in the way of cardio besides LISS so far, I think I'm too scared to play basketball as of right now, got my league starting up soon so hopefully it won't affect me too much... I'll stick to bowling with my gf for now haha.

Thanks for explaining your cycle, very interesting. That's funny because a few years ago in college I had bougth LG's methyl masterdrol at a mom and pop supp store in south jersey that sells lots of ph's but never took it. My buddy who recommended it told me it 'all natural', he took 2 bottles with no pct and look who's on propecia now! But yea I was the same way, glad I didn't take it back then and am now much, much wiser about the when's and how to's of pro hormones/steroids. I've definitely got my eye on epi-strong... how's your libido looking?

You lucky SOB, I was outside a lot of the time at that job and in central Illinois August humidity, it's not fun lol. Everyone told me the same thing as far as watching your heart-rate, along with everything I'd read regarding it. What I'll say is this - if you're in good condition already, it's just a matter of monitoring it. If you haven't done cardio in a while or you're out of shape, then stay the hell away from it because that's how all those athletes were dying and getting stuff banned. I used to play 8-10 games of full court basketball a night, so I was in great cardiovascular condition despite holding onto the fat. Just ease into things and the good thing about basketball rather than just sprints is that it's stop and go and you can ease up when needed to. Just remember, if you cherry pick - do it on defense

And it's funny how if something legal that everyone is quick to say it's "natural" and all that nonsense. I definitely don't want to be in the boat your buddy is and I'm thankful I held off on things when I did. I know a ton of new users on here see guys immediately tell them "get training and diet on point" and they assume we just "say" that, but if they only understood just how true it was, they'd get their results so much quicker.

As far as libido goes, I'm actually seeing a slight increase so far. Nothing crazy and actually pretty close to normal levels for me, but I'd been feeling really low in that department for about a week leading up to the cycle starting. So, we'll really see in another 2-3 weeks. That should be the real judge of it.