Halovar PCT; Reversitol v2 & Nolva . . . Thoughts?

AndrewNico

AndrewNico

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Hey all, was thinking about adding reversitol v2 into my pct along with nolva after a 6 week halovar cycle at 50/75/75/75/75/75

My question is simply if its overkill or not. Besides its 'serm' matrix, the other ingredients seem like mediocre test boosting herbs, which would be nice to at least have in a pct setup, but may be overkill when taken with nolva.

So, should I save it for an off cycle time or keep it in? I have tforce for a natty tbooster if need be.
 
I think It WOULD add a benefit. I t contains Indole-3-Carbinol, trans res and long jack, along with its own SERM matrix.Im Sure it would BOOST the effects of Nolva. I know that nolva will get you going, but IMO this would only benefit the whole progress. Over kill, well you love your little guys. I dont think anything is over kill when it comes to them. LOL. At least thats what I think.
And Id run the t-force right after the other two. To make sure all things are pumping full speed
 
JoHNnyNuTZ said:
I think It WOULD add a benefit. I t contains Indole-3-Carbinol, trans res and long jack, along with its own SERM matrix.Im Sure it would BOOST the effects of Nolva. I know that nolva will get you going, but IMO this would only benefit the whole progress. Over kill, well you love your little guys. I dont think anything is over kill when it comes to them. LOL. At least thats what I think.
And Id run the t-force right after the other two. To make sure all things are pumping full speed
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this is where it kills me

you throw in aaaaaaaaaaaaa

Anti androgen to modulate estrogen... good luck finding your woody.

and trans res? novel choice since every OTC PCT aid has it.. think outside the box and into a new wave of thinking

Trans res can damage leydig cells.

Yea so its in rats. you want to know what happens if it happens in humans? yea im not trying

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Trans res is A great product, i3e helps upregulate your junk,and im not too sure what your getting at. SOO....

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OK these were my words. Not very scientific, I was trying to be a little funny.

I3C helps modulate the good estrogen that your body produces.
Trans Resveratrol works by combating estrogen activation at the receptor level
Long Jack is extremely effective in freeing up bound testosterone.

These are points I "SHOULD" have said
 
JoHNnyNuTZ said:
Trans res is A great product, i3e helps upregulate your junk,and im not too sure what your getting at. SOO....
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have you read research on the anti androgenic nature of I3C? or did you even bother to look at the study on leydig function resveratrol has.

hmmmm.... stop being a rep, and start reading.

i wouldnt risk using it. especially in PCT when my body is already shut the **** down.

upregulate your junk? really i3c does that? the fact that its an anti androgen doesnt say anything to use especially when used every day? really?

i dont know what your getting at soooooooo...

AndrewNico... if you value your boners thing about using PERFORM in your PCT with TCF1.
 
raulob72 said:
I am here to study and learn ,I try to find that link and nothing,are sure is correct?^^^^
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remove the spaces.... ill copy and paste for you

Abstract
Resveratrol and its analogs are considered to be a promising drug candidate for treatment of cancer and different age-associated diseases. In the present study we have investigated the effects of resveratrol and its synthetic analogs on steroidogenesis and mitochondrial function in primary cultures of rat Leydig cells. Our findings indicate that resveratrol and its analogs structure-dependently attenuated hCG-activated steroidogenesis in Leydig cells through suppression of the expression of steroidogenic acute regulatory protein and cytochrome P450c17. 3,5-Diacetyl resveratrol was observed to modulate mitochondrial function in Leydig cells, suppressing polarization of inner mitochondrial membrane, and 3,4,4′-trimethoxystilbene stimulated the overall activity of intracellular reductases involved in the reduction of WST-1 to formazan. Thus, the inhibitory actions of resveratrol analogs on steroidogenesis in Leydig cells indicate novel mechanisms of action of these compounds, which may be of potential therapeutic interest, where suppression of androgen action is needed. Copyright © 2009 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd
 
OP. If you want to read a good PCT article this may help.
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Im sorry this guy wants to argue when all you had was a question.
Ill try and be the bigger man and let it go. Apparently some people just want to start a fight.
You had asked a bout a product and I responded to the product.
 
SupermanStrng said:
have you read research on the anti androgenic nature of I3C? or did you even bother to look at the study on leydig function resveratrol has.

hmmmm.... stop being a rep, and start reading.

i wouldnt risk using it. especially in PCT when my body is already shut the **** down.

upregulate your junk? really i3c does that? the fact that its an anti androgen doesnt say anything to use especially when used every day? really?

i dont know what your getting at soooooooo...

AndrewNico... if you value your boners thing about using PERFORM in your PCT with TCF1.
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I3C is in testopro.. Most people on testopro have reported high than normal libido.
Trans Resveratrol is also a great PCT addition and is known to raise libido.

You listen, those two ingredients are in many PCT products?
Why is that you ask?
Because they work.
 
gamer2be08 said:
I3C is in testopro.. Most people on testopro have reported high than normal libido.
Trans Resveratrol is also a great PCT addition and is known to raise libido.

You listen, those two ingredients are in many PCT products?
Why is that you ask?
Because they work.
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no its because it worked for some and then other companies followed.

Perform or HCGenerate are in a leage of its own with herbal boosters.

i dont want to fight i honestly dont give a ****. but im telling you due to antiandrogenic nature of I3C its imperative to NOT use it, especially in PCT.

Trans Res, yea it works, its shown to work, but how long until you damage your testis and they stop working. i believe its a U shaped curve for that one.
 
SupermanStrng said:
no its because it worked for some and then other companies followed.

Perform or HCGenerate are in a leage of its own with herbal boosters.

i dont want to fight i honestly dont give a ****. but im telling you due to antiandrogenic nature of I3C its imperative to NOT use it, especially in PCT.

Trans Res, yea it works, its shown to work, but how long until you damage your testis and they stop working. i believe its a U shaped curve for that one.
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Ya, trans res is totally going to destroy your testes..
Guess sustain alpha should be banned.. because we all know that it is so ineffective at raising test levels and increasing libido.. (sarcasm)

Also, if trans res is so bad, I guess we all should throw away our HCG.. :grumpy: (more sarcasm)

And I3C is not a powerful anti androgen. It helps modulate estrogen properly. Lots of people use Testopro in PCT, and have great results.
 
First of all there's no reason we can't all be civil in here. I guess it's not just me, the summer heat makes people edgy.

I will back Gamer to say that Trans Resveratrol does help to modulate estrogen, so IMO it is ok to stack this with other products. Overkill during PCT is my style, as my main point is to increase test as high and as fast as possible while regulating the rise of estrogen which is going to happen with increasing test levels. TR is in MANY otc products that have been used in PCT with success, and the truth of the matter that dismisses any published work that has been posted is the fact that results will ALWAYS vary from individual to individual.

I used a product with Trans Resveratrol stacked with TCF 1 clomid and 6 bromo. My bloodwork is up for proof that not only did my test go up, and my estrogen down, but there must have been significant stimulation in the leydig cells as my LH shot up dramatically while I continued PCT. I was below baseline on my first round of blood work.
 
gamer2be08 said:
Ya, trans res is totally going to destroy your testes..
Guess sustain alpha should be banned.. because we all know that it is so ineffective at raising test levels and increasing libido.. (sarcasm)

Also, if trans res is so bad, I guess we all should throw away our HCG.. :grumpy: (more sarcasm)

And I3C is not a powerful anti androgen. It helps modulate estrogen properly. Lots of people use Testopro in PCT, and have great results.
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hCG? just because it causes lesions on the leydigcells and REVERSABLE with the use of nolva or an AI with it (estrogen causes those lesions) then go ahead be my guest.

in reference of the trans res statement i said its a U SHAPED curve. too much can be bad and hmmmmm..... Sustain alpha doesnt have TOOO much unlike other products.

I3C yea modulates estrogen at the expense of hindering your ability for androgens to bind to receptors thus causing a net negative effect on muscle growth. Anti androgens DO raise LH butt.... heres the big but..... diminish the ability to get it up when ran EVERY day. like all these products recommend.
 
SupermanStrng said:
hCG? just because it causes lesions on the leydigcells and REVERSABLE with the use of nolva or an AI with it (estrogen causes those lesions) then go ahead be my guest.

in reference of the trans res statement i said its a U SHAPED curve. too much can be bad and hmmmmm..... Sustain alpha doesnt have TOOO much unlike other products.

I3C yea modulates estrogen at the expense of hindering your ability for androgens to bind to receptors thus causing a net negative effect on muscle growth. Anti androgens DO raise LH butt.... heres the big but..... diminish the ability to get it up when ran EVERY day. like all these products recommend.
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As for oral trans resveratrol, which is not even as potent as topical(sustain). There is no product sold that has enough TR to hurt you...

Again, I3C is in testopro, most people DO report lean mass gains, strength gains and a rise in libido... That doesn't sound very negative to me!
 
SupermanStrng said:
hCG? just because it causes lesions on the leydigcells and REVERSABLE with the use of nolva or an AI with it (estrogen causes those lesions) then go ahead be my guest.

in reference of the trans res statement i said its a U SHAPED curve. too much can be bad and hmmmmm..... Sustain alpha doesnt have TOOO much unlike other products.

I3C yea modulates estrogen at the expense of hindering your ability for androgens to bind to receptors thus causing a net negative effect on muscle growth. Anti androgens DO raise LH butt.... heres the big but..... diminish the ability to get it up when ran EVERY day. like all these products recommend.
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SupermanStrng how is your day going good man? I have to say I fins what you are saying very interesting to say the least. I would love to see a study or two showing this if you happen to have one on hand my good friend?

As for res, I left it out of the mix when I made forma-stanzol and replaced this with formasstane. Kept the 7,8 - Benzoflavone and then added DIM,chrysin and Chestnut seed the later not having much to do with pct at all but man it sure does give you some tight skin.

100mgs Formestane
25mgs DIM
7,8 - Benzoflavone (99%) 25mg
chrysin 4mg
Horse Chestnut seed extract 8mg


Now when it comes to lesions on my leydig cells I think I would rather not have them there even if they can be removed lmao... This is why I have been and will continue to use hcgenerate during cycle.

SupermanStrng, I like what you are saying bro, but lets all be cool and friends here my man. Sounds like you have a lot to offer and can spice up any thread with some good debate. Let me check out them studies if you got them bro.. Pending this I do not think I3C is that bad though I like the use of formastane much better my self.
 
needtogetmuscle said:
SupermanStrng how is your day going good man? I have to say I fins what you are saying very interesting to say the least. I would love to see a study or two showing this if you happen to have one on hand my good friend?

As for res, I left it out of the mix when I made forma-stanzol and replaced this with formasstane. Kept the 7,8 - Benzoflavone and then added DIM,chrysin and Chestnut seed the later not having much to do with pct at all but man it sure does give you some tight skin.

100mgs Formestane
25mgs DIM
7,8 - Benzoflavone (99%) 25mg
chrysin 4mg
Horse Chestnut seed extract 8mg


Now when it comes to lesions on my leydig cells I think I would rather not have them there even if they can be removed lmao... This is why I have been and will continue to use hcgenerate during cycle.

SupermanStrng, I like what you are saying bro, but lets all be cool and friends here my man. Sounds like you have a lot to offer and can spice up any thread with some good debate. Let me check out them studies if you got them bro.. Pending this I do not think I3C is that bad though I like the use of formastane much better my self.
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I3c and DIm are similar yet different. i3c 90% of the time makes my noodle flopppy

ill try and find studies. i have them somewhere.
 
SupermanStrng said:
I3c and DIm are similar yet different. i3c 90% of the time makes my noodle flopppy

ill try and find studies. i have them somewhere.
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Bingo, "your" is the key word..

Just like, most people experience lethargy on superdrol, especially at 30-40mg ED, but I feel energized..

Each user will react differently than the next.

I know some users that get limp noodles on I3C, but most dont..

That being said, your points do have validity.
But please dont make it sound like you are attacking my buddy Johnny when he is pushing a decent PCT supplement.. :)
 
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now with the guy to had blood work above....

yea anti As increase LH. proven .. like anti Es increase FSH.

problem is too much anti A,
 
SupermanStrng said:
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now with the guy to had blood work above....

yea anti As increase LH. proven .. like anti Es increase FSH.

problem is too much anti A,
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But, do you know what dose they were using and how it entered the bloodstream? Oral, TD, injected? I skimmed through it and couldnt find the answers to those question.

Im sure it is dose dependent, meaning more is not always good.
If the dose was kept low, estrogen would be modulated and there wouldnt be that large of an anti-A effect going on.
 
well, all I know is patrick arnold takes like 3 grams (dont quote me on it, but it is a high number) or trans resveratrol on a daily basis.

He might be an idiot who doesn't know anything about hormones, or chemistry. who knows.

i havn't even looked at the new version of reversitol. I tried the first one, and it sucked. it str8 killed my libido & estrogen.

but I blame this on the atd. as it always does this for me, no matter what brand.

I cant say for the rest of the herbal stuff in it though.

just use some clomid/nolva plus hcgenerate or bridge. toss in some formastanz or 6-bromo.

and pick up some n2guard. call it a pct and your gtg.

75mg of hd is fine. if you want something stronger, add in some sd at 10mg, or just run sd at 20-30mg.
 
gamer2be08 said:
Bingo, "your" is the key word..

Just like, most people experience lethargy on superdrol, especially at 30-40mg ED, but I feel energized..

Each user will react differently than the next.

I know some users that get limp noodles on I3C, but most dont..

That being said, your points do have validity.
But please dont make it sound like you are attacking my buddy Johnny when he is pushing a decent PCT supplement.. :)
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libido and getting it up are 2 different animals.

my libido was high,. i wanted to ****... just couldnt. couldnt get it working.

A lot of users experience this especially with everyday use.
 
gamer2be08 said:
But, do you know what dose they were using and how it entered the bloodstream? Oral, TD, injected? I skimmed through it and couldnt find the answers to those question.

Im sure it is dose dependent, meaning more is not always good.
If the dose was kept low, estrogen would be modulated and there wouldnt be that large of an anti-A effect going on.
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again U shaped curve a little bit is ok but as soon as you venture a tad higher, may be issues, from my experience and a lot of others libido high wood strength low.
 
jbryand101b said:
well, all I know is patrick arnold takes like 3 grams (dont quote me on it, but it is a high number) or trans resveratrol on a daily basis.

He might be an idiot who doesn't know anything about hormones, or chemistry. who knows.

i havn't even looked at the new version of reversitol. I tried the first one, and it sucked. it str8 killed my libido & estrogen.

but I blame this on the atd. as it always does this for me, no matter what brand.

I cant say for the rest of the herbal stuff in it though.

just use some clomid/nolva plus hcgenerate or bridge. toss in some formastanz or 6-bromo.

and pick up some n2guard. call it a pct and your gtg.

75mg of hd is fine. if you want something stronger, add in some sd at 10mg, or just run sd at 20-30mg.
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remember ATD libido issues is from being an ANTI ANDROGEN,
SD is garbage on me at 10mg 20-40mg is strong, i happen to like hdrol 1000x better.

clomid nolva with perform and hcgenerate after and all bases coverd.
 
SupermanStrng said:
remember ATD libido issues is from being an ANTI ANDROGEN,
SD is garbage on me at 10mg 20-40mg is strong, i happen to like hdrol 1000x better.

clomid nolva with perform and hcgenerate after and all bases coverd.
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ATD is a stronger anti-A than I3C, and it lowers estrogen too much.
The combo of those 2 issues results in poor libido and erections for the ATD users..

Formestane is anti DHT, yet most people report high libido, and great wood strength..

DHT= male adrongen

Again, there is not enough I3C in reversitol v2 or testopro to cause any real anti-a problems..
 
gamer2be08 said:
ATD is a stronger anti-A than I3C, and it lowers estrogen too much.
The combo of those 2 issues results in poor libido and erections for the ATD users..

Formestane is anti DHT, yet most people report high libido, and great wood strength..

DHT= male adrongen

Again, there is not enough I3C in reversitol v2 or testopro to cause any real anti-a problems..
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DHT and Testosterone have different effects, just because they are both androgens one more potent then the doesnt mean they act the same in the body.. and lowering DHT AND Estrogen is probably more likely to cause gyno afterwards.

DHT is excellent in REDUCING sides of progesterones while ANTI DHT *5a reductase inhibitors* (while on progesterone based cycles) will CAUSE gyno most likely .. science is theere. but this is a different topic.

all in all i wouldnt run an Anti A in PCT when trying to get androgen levels up.
 
SupermanStrng said:
remember ATD libido issues is from being an ANTI ANDROGEN,
SD is garbage on me at 10mg 20-40mg is strong, i happen to like hdrol 1000x better.

clomid nolva with perform and hcgenerate after and all bases coverd.
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anti androgen. your talking like these products are finasteride.

atd isn't an anti androgenic compound. it is a suicidal aromatase inhibitor that is stronger than 6-oxo.

It can also convert into 1,4,6, testosterone.

atd does have some binding affinity for the ar. this bidning affinity could enhance androgenic side effects, (or decrease them in some).

with 1,4,6 test binding to the ar, this could cause atd to compete with other a.r. binding hormones. this could be the only way it could be looked at as an "anti androgen" but it really isn't, since 1,4,6 test is an androgen. it's like saying all steroids that bind to the ar with low androgenic effects are anti androgenic. like superdrol for ex.

but people who dont know how to properly stack compounds do this same thing all the time.

it is the strong anti estrogenic effects which kill libido in me. this is anytime I have lowered estrogen, it hurts my libido. even when using highly androgenic compounds like dht.

stacking hd and sd do have benifits. hd has a long half life, which is what makes up for it's lack of ar binding affinity. it also has a strong shbg affinity.

using it with another steroid would allow for more steroid to be used via the a.r. and would also require less of said steroid.

20mg of sd for 3 weeks, or 10mg of sd for 6 weeks. it's still the same amount of steroid your taking. just spaced out over a longer time, with gains being more maintainable. the hd would help keep androgen levels steady between dosages.

also, atd could effect hpta function in a negative manner d/t the conversion into an androgen.
 
jbryand101b said:
anti androgen. your talking like these products are finasteride.

atd isn't an anti androgenic compound. it is a suicidal aromatase inhibitor that is stronger than 6-oxo.

It can also convert into 1,4,6, testosterone.

atd does have some binding affinity for the ar. this bidning affinity could enhance androgenic side effects, (or decrease them in some).

acts as an anti androgen. if it intereferes with binding affinity its an anti androgen

with 1,4,6 test binding to the ar, this could cause atd to compete with other a.r. binding hormones. this could be the only way it could be looked at as an "anti androgen" but it really isn't, since 1,4,6 test is an androgen. it's like saying all steroids that bind to the ar with low androgenic effects are anti androgenic. like superdrol for ex.

but people who dont know how to properly stack compounds do this same thing all the time.

it is the strong anti estrogenic effects which kill libido in me. this is anytime I have lowered estrogen, it hurts my libido. even when using highly androgenic compounds like dht.

stacking hd and sd do have benifits. hd has a long half life, which is what makes up for it's lack of ar binding affinity. it also has a strong shbg affinity.

using it with another steroid would allow for more steroid to be used via the a.r. and would also require less of said steroid.

20mg of sd for 3 weeks, or 10mg of sd for 6 weeks. it's still the same amount of steroid your taking. just spaced out over a longer time, with gains being more maintainable. the hd would help keep androgen levels steady between dosages.

also, atd could effect hpta function in a negative manner d/t the conversion into an androgen.
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blocking binding of test to the AR via ATD or other anti androgens is different then taking test that BINDs to the AR.
 
gamer2be08 said:
OMG enough..

I3C and Resveratrol are good PCT items!!!

At high doses not seen in any supplement they may be slightly harmful..

I am done here.
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thnks for helping me get my post count up.

now i can basically post links ect.

they really arent, but if you seem to think so then...:bigok:
 
SupermanStrng said:
thnks for helping me get my post count up.

now i can basically post links ect.

they really arent, but if you seem to think so then...:bigok:
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Could they be replaced by better ingredients? Yes.
Are the two ingredients effective at what they say they do without causing any harm to body or destroying libido? Yes.

Would I normally incorporate them in my PCT? No, unless I was using topical sustain alpha for the TD resveratrol.
 
gamer2be08 said:
Could they be replaced by better ingredients? Yes.
Are the two ingredients effective at what they say they do without causing any harm to body or destroying libido? Yes.

Would I normally incorporate them in my PCT? No, unless I was using topical sustain alpha for the TD resveratrol.
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there we go,

but libido and erection strength are 2 diff things.

but thats better,.
 
*grabs popcorn*

WHO will have the last word lol....
 
Where was this discussion when I first asked the question?

Also, no one really answered my question with a simple yes/no. From the conjecture it seems like a majority of you feel that although the ingredients in reversitol v2 are inferior to other otc pct products, it would be a worthy addition to a serm based pct.

Thanks brahs.
 
SupermanStrng said:
blocking binding of test to the AR via ATD or other anti androgens is different then taking test that BINDs to the AR.
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if you take a strong binding androgen such as trenbolone with another androgen like testosterone, the one with stronger binding affinity will block the androgen receptor.

1,4,6 testosterone binds to the androgen receptor because it is an androgen with androgenic/anabolic effects.

atd before it is converted into test doesn't seem to bind to the androgen receptor, or if it does, does so weakly.

androstenedione binds less strongly to the ar than test. in a competition, test will win.

unfortunately, there is no difference. and androgenic conversion of atd into a form of testosterone is a side note.

atd is first and formost a suicidal aromatase inhibitor. it is not, and should not be considered an anti androgen.

the libido killing effects are most likely d/t atd being such a powerful aromatase inhibitor, and destroying estrogen, which is an important hormone.
 
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