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Noobs first Cycle

lookatmybicep

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Hi all
did a few post 2-3 years back when i was 20 in the end i decided to wait get some info and return in the future so hear i am. ive done a cylce of Ids mass tabs befor know knowing they where sort of a PH and didnt Pct, anyway if got lots of info and sorces so im goin to do it properly, hear my thoughts

Epistane
week 1-2 30mg/ed not sure of tab size so it maybe 25mg
week 3-4 40mg/ed ive hear its better to run longer for better gain but 1st cycle so il leave it i think.

liver support, milk thwistle, the usual cycle support from week 1-8

Pct
novedex xt/or esto suppress.
not sure of the dosages but will take as recomended week 5-8

finding it hard geting a clomid, alto alot of people have said for theses doses otc pct will be fine, ?

im 5f10" 150lbs now will get back to 160-170 befor i cycle im looking to gain mass as cutting is easy for me its just the mass i need

any thoughts?
 
dude, definitely get a SERM for pct. especially with Epistane as it's one of the stronger compounds you can get legally, it's really not worth it to **** yourself up. go with research chems if you have to, but definitely go with a SERM. Also i think Nolva is a better option...
 
i thought epi was quite mild compared to some?
what are best first cycles then? i hear havoc and phera plex?
alto is havoc not epi anyway?
 
lookatmybicep said:
i thought epi was quite mild compared to some?
what are best first cycles then? i hear havoc and phera plex?
alto is havoc not epi anyway?
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Yup havoc and epi are the same, or should be :) Epi is milder than Superdrol and mass tabs ect, but then jumpingt off a cliff and landing on your face is milder than superdrol(and jumping off a cliff shows no rebound gyno!)

Go with nolvadex, get it from a reasearch lab, maybe a generic version. Maybe grab yourself some formestane to. The form will be a nice addition to the cycle, maybe start using it in the last 1-2 weeks of the epi cycle at a low dose and tapper it up towards the end of the cycle and when you finish the epi start the nolvadex straight away along side the form, however start tappering the formestane down and finish it a week and a half to 2 weeks into your PCT(nolvadex) With the nolva possibly go 40/30/20/20?? Depending on how much epi you use. Some guys may say thats over kill on the nolva and maybe 20/20/10/10 may be fine....You need to find out for yourself mate really, but the Formestane(AI) would be a good idea.
 
yep serm is the way to go. 20/20/10/10 is the correct dose, Unless you are at risk of breast cancer you shouldnt dose it above 20. :veryhappy: .

But I you should be fine with the epi even tho it is slightly more liver toxic than any halodrol clones.
 
pansori said:
dude, definitely get a SERM for pct. especially with Epistane as it's one of the stronger compounds you can get legally, it's really not worth it to **** yourself up. go with research chems if you have to, but definitely go with a SERM. Also i think Nolva is a better option...
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Epistane is NOT one of the stronger compounds and is very good for people to run their first cycle on- thats what my first cycle was

What Im about to say is personal experience I am not saying its a good idea

I ran epi at 30/30/30/40 my first cycle and used novedex xt as my pct- I kept all my gains and I had bloodwork done a month after pct to make sure I was okay- and I was fine- do I reccomend it? NO! Because I do not know how your body will respond to the compound/shutdown etc, BUT, epistane does not armotase and the suppression is not bad compared to like tren or sdrol- BUT you are still suppressed- is otc do able? YES, is it the safest way to go? NO, google for a serm to be 100 percent safe
 
and he wants to use a steroid to bulk- I left that out i suppose- DUDE EAT,SLEEP,TRAIN, REPEAT
 
carefull btw, i got sensative nipples on the 1st day of cycle. using inhibit e till molva comes. seems to do the trick for now
 
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