crazyfool405
Banned
awesome i really wish NP would get back to me an pick up some Rdrol to put into a stack with Alpha t2 and a cortisol blocker. would be freakin sweet.
awell their loss i guess.
Gettin Jacked n Tan for the summer!!
- Thread starter 3clipseGT
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awesome i really wish NP would get back to me an pick up some Rdrol to put into a stack with Alpha t2 and a cortisol blocker. would be freakin sweet.
awell their loss i guess.
3clipseGT
On my grind
Have they gotten back to you yet? I wish they would too, would make it much easier.
Day 24:
Weight: 183.3
This was taken today in the am surprisingly after my carbup day yesterday. Looking lean, full, and tight. I just cant say enough good things about recompadrol really being an all in one. Best Nutrient Partitioner ive used by far.
Alpha T2 still has me sweating bullets during my workout and leaning me up nicely.
DTP is keeping me strong, pumped, and full of motivation!!
3clipseGT
On my grind
Hahah welcome to the show!!! Recompadrol is definately producing!!
Today was back day, i do back twice a week as i feel the thickness is a big weak spot for me. So i went in and did a number on my middle back, felt good, just got home and down about 70 gms of carbs and ill be off to walmart here shortly to go buy some food.
thebigt
Legend
i am hoping nutra will pick up recompadrol soon. if not i guess i will go elsewhere to get some. i been running at-2 for awhile now, and really like it.:usa:
3clipseGT
On my grind
Yea it definately produces. Went to walmart and got me some more food, gettin lean is friggin expensive!!!
thebigt
Legend
it's a shame, but poor people can buy more twinkies and potato chips for their money than produce and healthy foods. every time they say something is healthy they jack the price.
3clipseGT
On my grind
Aint that the truth!!
thebigt
Legend
it's no wonder there is an epidemic of fat kids. a can of chef boy ardees some chips and a doughnut is much cheaper than fresh fruits and veggies-plus it fills them up.
sorry for the rant, but i feel strongly about this.:sad3:
3clipseGT
On my grind
Oh i completely agree. People wonder why they have insulin problems or cant keep weight off, yet everyone i pass has cookies, doughnuts, chips, sodas, n all that stuff. Not saying i dont indulge in that stuff because i will at times but other then that my diet is very clean. People need an eye opener before kids are having heart attacks at a more regular pace or atleast start screwin themselves for when they get older.
thebigt
Legend
be nice to see communities start gardens! $2 for a tomato is insane!!!
crazyfool405
Banned
wow i missed a bunch of posts, i totally agree, this obesity epidemic is getting out of hand.
3clipseGT
On my grind
Nice thread buddy
Suggestions on how should I dose the R-drol AND the HCA for
1) CHEAT MEALS
2) Regular Carb ups
to thwart fat gain?
3) What does the HCA taste like?
For cheat meals i take 2 caps rdrol n a gram of hca.
Depends how many grams of carbs ur carbup is but one to two caps.
The hca doesnt taste bad at all, i scoop it into the mouth n down some water.
crazyfool405
Banned
Nice thread buddy
Suggestions on how should I dose the R-drol AND the HCA for
1) CHEAT MEALS
2) Regular Carb ups
to thwart fat gain?
3) What does the HCA taste like?
cheat meals depends on carbohydrate intake or overall calorie consumption
900-1100 calories for about 2 caps works well for me, with 1 gram of the GC 50%.
lately ive been doing 2 caps and a gram and a half because im in jamaica.
To me the GC 50% taste a little like sawdust.
regular carb ups (refeed) 1 cap per 100 carb, anything over 100 add that second cap.
thebigt
Legend
i had to put the recompadrol on hold for a bit, but i am following closely to see what to expect when i get to it.
hey gt, hows military life treating you?:usa:
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
Any ill effects from the HCA? I am a bit ominous on trying that out with some of the studies I have read on it, and thats what Iovite blamed their HydroxyCut recall on.
3clipseGT
On my grind
Not bad, just always busy, which i guess i cant complain, schedule is pretty planned out so it makes dieting a bit easier most days!
3clipseGT
On my grind
This is interesting and a tad bit scary. Hopefully some others will chime in with some type of info or opinion.
thebigt
Legend
i wonder if there is a way to check on sources. hopefully gt's hca isn't sourced from same place as hydroxycut's.
3clipseGT
On my grind
That would be nooo bueennooo :lol:
thebigt
Legend
of course just to play devils advocate-it could be some 'secret' ingredient in hydroxycut that was the culprit-and hca was a spin.:sgrin:
crazyfool405
Banned
im glad someone brought up those studies so i can let you know the answers.
first of all 778mg per kg of HCA is about 1.4 grams of garcinia fruit standarized extracts.
In the studies using up to 5.2g of garcinia per day they showed no ill effects on testicular weight nor liver enzymes.
This is at clinical doses of 3-5.5 g of GC 50% HCA.
the liver Issues i can forsee it being a different ingredient. but i dont know their formula so i cannot comment on it. But HCA at doses used is NOTHING to worry about.
Infact Gsann ran it on another forum and is ALT and AST went down.
Also Salacia Reticulata extract helps with your liver function
crazyfool405
Banned
in terms of weight loss, it DOES help however you have to understand a lot of these studies use such low calories that your body will hold onto as much as it can because you are essentiall starving yourself, so increases in alpha receptors and not dropping too much more weight is definetly to be expected.
Now in terms of use of the GC fruit
#1 prevent acetyl CoA build up to form fatty acids/cholesterol.triglycerides
#2 help prevent some fat gain from over eating (which increases acetyl Coa)
#3 when on Keto diet, increase the amount of ketone bodies to start to preserve muscle tissue as fast as possible.
#4 Increase carbohydrate utilization and usage
Those are the main functions for it, it helkps more with visceral then subQ i believe
Now in terms of use of the GC fruit
#1 prevent acetyl CoA build up to form fatty acids/cholesterol.triglycerides
#2 help prevent some fat gain from over eating (which increases acetyl Coa)
#3 when on Keto diet, increase the amount of ketone bodies to start to preserve muscle tissue as fast as possible.
#4 Increase carbohydrate utilization and usage
Those are the main functions for it, it helkps more with visceral then subQ i believe
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
im glad someone brought up those studies so i can let you know the answers.
first of all 778mg per kg of HCA is about 1.4 grams of garcinia fruit standarized extracts.
In the studies using up to 5.2g of garcinia per day they showed no ill effects on testicular weight nor liver enzymes.
This is at clinical doses of 3-5.5 g of GC 50% HCA.
the liver Issues i can forsee it being a different ingredient. but i dont know their formula so i cannot comment on it. But HCA at doses used is NOTHING to worry about.
Infact Gsann ran it on another forum and is ALT and AST went down.
Also Salacia Reticulata extract helps with your liver function
Can you please share the studies showing no Testis toxicity at all? i would like to read it... there is conflicting data on the usefulness of HCA accross the board.
I understand the study went to extremes, but is there something showing no toxicity to Testis? Otherwise... I like my balls in tact!
crazyfool405
Banned
it is very unlikely we use the same raw materials they have.
crazyfool405
Banned
Can you please share the studies showing no Testis toxicity at all? i would like to read it... there is conflicting data on the usefulness of HCA accross the board.
I understand the study went to extremes, but is there something showing no toxicity to Testis? Otherwise... I like my balls in tact!
those issues are wityh high amounts and not seen in clinical doses.
let me see if i can pull one up real fast
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
Oh, and not just testicular weight, actually saying something about no testis toxicity.... since it isnt the weight of my balls I am concerned with... but more importantly what they do!
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
You're a good man charlie brown.
crazyfool405
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Abstract (–)-Hydroxycitric acid (HCA), a natural extract from the dried fruit rind of Garcinia cambogia (family Guttiferae), is a popular supplement for weight management. The dried fruit rind has been used for centuries as a condiment in Southeastern Asia to make food more filling and satisfying. A significant number of studies highlight the efficacy of Super CitriMax (HCA-SX, a novel 60% calcium-potassium salt of HCA derived from Garcinia cambogia) in weight management. These studies also demonstrate that HCA-SX promotes fat oxidation, inhibits ATP-citrate lyase (a building block for fat synthesis), and lowers the level of leptin in obese subjects. Acute oral, acute dermal, primary dermal irritation and primary eye irritation toxicity studies have demonstrated the safety of HCA-SX. However, no long-term safety of HCA-SX or any other (–)-hydroxycitric acid extract has been previously assessed. In this study, we have evaluated the dose- and time-dependent effects of HCA-SX in Sprague-Dawley rats on body weight, hepatic and testicular lipid peroxidation, DNA fragmentation, liver and testis weight, expressed as such and as a % of body weight and brain weight, and histopathological changes over a period of 90 days. The animals were treated with 0, 0.2, 2.0 and 5.0% HCA-SX as feed intake and the animals were sacrificed on 30, 60 or 90 days of treatment. The feed and water intake were assessed and correlated with the reduction in body weight. HCA-SX supplementation demonstrated a reduction in body weight in both male and female rats over a period of 90 days as compared to the corresponding control animals. An advancing age-induced marginal increase in hepatic lipid peroxidation was observed in both male and female rats as compared to the corresponding control animals. However, no such difference in hepatic DNA fragmentation and testicular lipid peroxidation and DNA fragmentation was observed. Furthermore, liver and testis weight, expressed as such and as a percentage of body weight and brain weight, at 30, 60 and 90 days of treatment, exhibited no significant difference between the four groups. Taken together, these results indicate that treatment of HCA-SX over a period of 90 days results in a reduction in body weight, but did not cause any changes in hepatic and testicular lipid peroxidation, DNA fragmentation, or histopathological changes.
Abstract (–)-Hydroxycitric acid (HCA), a natural extract from the dried fruit rind of Garcinia cambogia (family Guttiferae), is a popular supplement for weight management. The dried fruit rind has been used for centuries as a condiment in Southeastern Asia to make food more filling and satisfying. A significant number of studies highlight the efficacy of Super CitriMax (HCA-SX, a novel 60% calcium-potassium salt of HCA derived from Garcinia cambogia) in weight management. These studies also demonstrate that HCA-SX promotes fat oxidation, inhibits ATP-citrate lyase (a building block for fat synthesis), and lowers the level of leptin in obese subjects. Acute oral, acute dermal, primary dermal irritation and primary eye irritation toxicity studies have demonstrated the safety of HCA-SX. However, no long-term safety of HCA-SX or any other (–)-hydroxycitric acid extract has been previously assessed. In this study, we have evaluated the dose- and time-dependent effects of HCA-SX in Sprague-Dawley rats on body weight, hepatic and testicular lipid peroxidation, DNA fragmentation, liver and testis weight, expressed as such and as a % of body weight and brain weight, and histopathological changes over a period of 90 days. The animals were treated with 0, 0.2, 2.0 and 5.0% HCA-SX as feed intake and the animals were sacrificed on 30, 60 or 90 days of treatment. The feed and water intake were assessed and correlated with the reduction in body weight. HCA-SX supplementation demonstrated a reduction in body weight in both male and female rats over a period of 90 days as compared to the corresponding control animals. An advancing age-induced marginal increase in hepatic lipid peroxidation was observed in both male and female rats as compared to the corresponding control animals. However, no such difference in hepatic DNA fragmentation and testicular lipid peroxidation and DNA fragmentation was observed. Furthermore, liver and testis weight, expressed as such and as a percentage of body weight and brain weight, at 30, 60 and 90 days of treatment, exhibited no significant difference between the four groups. Taken together, these results indicate that treatment of HCA-SX over a period of 90 days results in a reduction in body weight, but did not cause any changes in hepatic and testicular lipid peroxidation, DNA fragmentation, or histopathological changes.
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
I will have to review that study... only problem is it is older than the one previous... sometimes I really hate studies.. especially with HCA here... for every one good, I am finding one that discredits it.
Eh, I will let you all be the guneia pigs here, you all report back to me!
Eh, I will let you all be the guneia pigs here, you all report back to me!
crazyfool405
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crazyfool405
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I will have to review that study... only problem is it is older than the one previous... sometimes I really hate studies.. especially with HCA here... for every one good, I am finding one that discredits it.
Eh, I will let you all be the guneia pigs here, you all report back to me!
man i been using it for like 6 months (HCA) and recompadrol for 3 months,
****s still smooth sailing will be getting bloodwork again soon.
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
Yeah, I was never really concerned with hepatic consequences, as only one or two hepatic disfunctions turned up from millions of bottles of HydroxyCut sold.
What I was looking into is:
A) Usefullness
B) Will my balls still work till I am 80
Also, what have been your personal opinions on it CF and 3clipse? Do you see a noticable difference? Carb cravings blunted?
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
Ah, now thats what I like to hear..... I will be hitting more research done. Maybe give it a roll. You work for that Recompadrol company?
crazyfool405
Banned
potassium salt has better water solubility and possibly better appetice supressing qualities then calsium salt.
now with the calsium salt i take now with 2 cap recompadrol im legit not hungry alll day long i take about a gram and a half Gc with 2 cap recompadrol pre breakfast and i ltterally dont wanna eat.
i believe another study i posted talked about no testicular damage.
crazyfool405
Banned
i be the owner
and as far as your balls working at 80... i dont know if many guys balls would be working at that age? lol
3clipseGT
On my grind
DA the GC has worked nothin short of spectacular with the carbups and the refeeds i have been using. One thing i read and have actualy noticed is that they say GC can basicaly help release fat from the working muscle, my shoulders, traps, and arms are insanely leaner then prior to GC and recompadrol. Appetite for me is always insane no matter what im on, even geranium has no effect. I must say im very pleased with the products and it has made recomping a possibility.
My girlfriend does not live with me up here in SC , so i go home to see my daughter and my gf about every 2 months. She about shat when i went home this passed weekend. She trains, diets, takes supps, does it all so getting a compliment, well multiple compliments, from her was very nice. Massive and tight were words she used a lot. :lol:
Needless to say im very pleased!
crazyfool405
Banned
i am glad your impressed with the stack, thats what we were going for,
i would like to see it on an all out bulk, i had SOOO much trouble gaining weight on it.
i would like to see it on an all out bulk, i had SOOO much trouble gaining weight on it.
Whacked
Well-known member
Some questions as I just received both the HCA and Recomp
1) Why is everyone suggesting taking botrh the caps and the HCA powder when the caps already include the HCA?
2) Why does the bottle say to take a cap prior to low carbs meals when cutting?
----I thought this stuff's purpose was to thwart fat gain from carbs?
----Wont that make you hypo?
3) Taking the product WITH meals that big of a difference?
4) Sorry for the stupid question but on cheat meals, how exactly does this work - where do the calories disappear to since they are no longer being stored as fat?!?
Thanks
1) Why is everyone suggesting taking botrh the caps and the HCA powder when the caps already include the HCA?
2) Why does the bottle say to take a cap prior to low carbs meals when cutting?
----I thought this stuff's purpose was to thwart fat gain from carbs?
----Wont that make you hypo?
3) Taking the product WITH meals that big of a difference?
4) Sorry for the stupid question but on cheat meals, how exactly does this work - where do the calories disappear to since they are no longer being stored as fat?!?
Thanks
crazyfool405
Banned
Some questions as I just received both the HCA and Recomp
1) Why is everyone suggesting taking botrh the caps and the HCA powder when the caps already include the HCA? the amount of HCA in Rdrol is enough to ward some fat gain and help with carbohydrate usage and cutting insulin peaks
2) Why does the bottle say to take a cap prior to low carbs meals when cutting? due to the fact it activates PPARa, increases CPT1, and UCP1
----I thought this stuff's purpose was to thwart fat gain from carbs? thats the beauty, this supplement is very versitile. it helps create Ketone bodies, as well as block gluconeogenesis
----Wont that make you hypo? everyone reacts differently, i have not ever felt bad taking it on low carbs, Its also glucose dependant
3) Taking the product WITH meals that big of a difference?it depends on how you react, if stomach issues are a problem take it with the meal, if no problems take it prior
4) Sorry for the stupid question but on cheat meals, how exactly does this work - where do the calories disappear to since they are no longer being stored as fat?!? some are being wasted via inhibition of digestion, and most is stored in muscle and liver glycogen, then the rest that "dissappear" arent really dissappearing, they are still there but due to the HCA they wont cause much damage.
Thanks
Also:
Just an aside
Aminoguanidine can inhibit the uptake of vitamin B6, so a B6 supplement is recommended whilst using Aminoguanidine.
Glad you brought up the aminoguanidine. There is not nearly enough of it to inhibit uptake of B6 much. The amount that would do that is around 250-500mg.
Recompadrol has about just as much in 3 servings, as does Insulean K has in 1 serving of 2 caps.
crazyfool405
Banned
whats the word myman hows **** goin? how much longer you have on it?
3clipseGT
On my grind
My apologies for the lack of updates, internet has been screwy again, wireless router doesnt want to seem to work.
Weight is currently at 182, things are going very slow but they are progressing. Ive still got another full bottles of Rdrol and another 3 or so weeks on DTP and a good 2 weeks on AlphaT2, overall this has been an awesome run so far.
I will be taking pictures in the next couple of weeks to kinda give yall a bit of a view at whats going down!
crazyfool405
Banned
3clipseGT
On my grind
Hhhmm id say around 2-3 lbs but the recomp has been amazing, im looking way leaner in my lower abs and sides area. This is also with the weekend of memorial day factored in where i ate like a frggin beast for like 3 days strait. :lol:
crazyfool405
Banned
i gained 10lb in a week from jamaica, but as soon as water intake normalized i lost like 8 of it lol hardly gained any weight, maybe just some glycogen, my girl cant tell the difference
2 liters of raw milk per day, and a tremendouse breakfast and dinner. and milk and cheese burgers in between, and i had friessssss mmm