thebigt
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so we talking coke or pepsi, or would a mountain dew work just as well? i am going to try this-thanks!
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so we talking coke or pepsi, or would a mountain dew work just as well? i am going to try this-thanks!
zombiemuscle
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Anything should work as long as it isn't DIET lol! I've used coke in the past but am currently using canada dry ginger ale.
thebigt
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good call!!! i did my regular routine, then had a can of coke. those extra carbs really hit fast, felt almost hyper. been a long time since i felt so pumped up and energized after workout-geez, i haven't had a can of regular pepsi in over a year, lol. so far, i am very impressed with slinshot!!! but i highly recommend anyone trying it adds some creatine, i seriously believe i am reacting better than normal to the creatine while on the slinshot-i have been adding weight to my usual lifts, strength is climbing.
zombiemuscle
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This makes sense considering insulin is supposed to help shuttle creatine to the muscles.
I have a can of soda after more than half of my workouts. I believe it helps me to grow... Insulin is very anabolic.
thebigt
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look up the study on the ingredient in slinshot-it shows much higher absorption of creatine if slinshot is taken before the creatine. there is even a best selling pre workout product that contains creatine and has a small amount of slinshot ingredient included. i have used creatine alot, and never had the results i am getting with taking slinshot before-not even close. the muscle fullness is very nice!!!
thebigt
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yup. but it is a proprietary blend, so you can take to the bank it isn't even close to whats in a cap of slinshot. just making the point of how compatible slinshot is with creatine.
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thebigt
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i took 2 slinshot on a totally empty stomach, waited 20 minutes and did blood sugar test. it was 112.
i won't be able to do any more testing, my father in law only has so many strips here at my house and i won't use any more of them. i can honestly say that slinshot lowers blood sugar levels by a significant amount. what i can't say is if it has this effect the 1st time you use it or if this effect is cumulative, since i have been taking slinshot daily for 2 weeks.
i won't be able to do any more testing, my father in law only has so many strips here at my house and i won't use any more of them. i can honestly say that slinshot lowers blood sugar levels by a significant amount. what i can't say is if it has this effect the 1st time you use it or if this effect is cumulative, since i have been taking slinshot daily for 2 weeks.
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This is VERY interesting! Actually being able to take real time accurate data after ingestion of any supplement geared toward glucose modulation is very enlightening. Thank you so much for sharing... those strips run about $1 a piece don't they, which measuring 3 times daily adds up to $100 a month.
Would you be willing to do the same 75g carbohydrate intake during the same time of day and take a measurement of your blood sugar without administering Slin Sane? This would be an endlessly helpful and illuminating measurement, since everything can be replicated and the only 'control' factor is the absence of the Slin Shot.
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PS: Regarding the juice vs. soda discussion... I would be one to subscribe the philosophy that sugar is sugar; the only difference is the carbonation. I would be hard pressed to subscribe to the notion that soda has a higher intrinsic ability to heighten insulin release opposed to fruit juice, which is also sugar laden and ounce-for-ounce almost identical concerning nutrition data. There is a very small variance of any meaningful or significant value between refined and processed simple sugars which all exist in the upper stratosphere of the Glycemic Index.
thebigt
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dr.d sent me a pm agreeing with the soda over grape juice.
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Only thing I don't like is the chemicals and ingredients versus grape juice, more in a long term or health wise out look but other than that I agree. Soda just really isn't conducive to health on any level. I'm a big proponent of the make up of diet makes a big difference versus just looking at macros.
thebigt
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i think it is the high fructose corn syrup in the sodas that is the cause of the insulin spike. i am a big fan of grape juice for the anti oxidents, but 1 soda once or twice a week can't be that bad for you???
thebigt
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Probably not honestlyI am not a fan of HFCS at all for me but will a little kill you...prob not
trust me, if it were not for the slinshot i would NOT be messin with it. i have been on a cut for so long that it's cool to have some latitude to fool around with different stuff like this. i think it will make it much easier for the pounds to come off when i go back to limiting carbs-believe me it's very cool to take a break like this.:food:
zombiemuscle
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You need a nutrition course.
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From your arrogant and abrasive drive by insult, I don't think it would be too far of a stretch to assume you're the man for the job of showing me the failures and near sighted limitations of my remedial grasp upon the optimal methods of nutrition utilization and stratagems.
So, please professor... enlighten me on the dynamic shift in the insulin response mechanisms on the magnitude that would elicit measurably and significantly greater anabolism when clinically comparing the well documented and peer reviewed nutraceutical additives known as Juice ****tails/Drinks to Coca Cola.
...or... were you merely spreading your feathers too wide like a bored peahen caught a midst a bout of Internet boredom and decided to attack my founded logic based in years of study, formal education, applied science, and irrefutable logic - with your fleeting misstep of conceitedness?
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I'm not sure who Dr. D is, but I would be extremely impressed and truly left in shock to have anyone articulate a valid and substantiated argument that would demonstrate a clear dichotomy of efficacy in imparting hypertrophy which favors soda over a fruit ****tail or drink, which equals or exceeds the caloric content and sugar density of soda.
Agreed completely... aside from the potential bloating and the myriad of other long since demonstrated horrendous health lowering effects associated directly and indirectly with soda consumption and the absolute abject lack of nutritional value of any sort, I simply cannot advocate or find just cause for the inclusion of anything on a regular basis containing such overwhelming HFCS amounts in anyone's planned and progress-focused health concerned and anabolism driven stratagem.
thebigt
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keep it coming, i am soaking this stuff up. i don't plan on using np's all the time but it is great to give myself a break from the low carbs. the more i experiment with diet on slinshot the more i will learn, so i am open to new ideas. i am convinced from the blood tests i did that slinshot effects blood sugar levels-now the key is how to best utilize this.
zombiemuscle
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Maybe I was a bit blunt, but you should be open to learning new methods while navigating this forum. There is a lot of information here. Don't be scared of what you don't understand... Embrace it!
Grape juice is at a 55 on the glycemic index, whereas high fructose corn syrup rates a 62. This means that HFCS will trigger a greater insulin response.
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Thanks for taking a moment to explain; I didn't respond very well to your blunt approach and was left to accept it as insulting since it wasn't accompanied by any further explanation.
I always leave myself wide open, admittedly so, always asking questions and offering up my own advice when I feel confident my knowledge is sufficient to provide sound logical guidance and counsel. I will respectfully say that in the expansive and sometimes misused data spectrum of the Glycemic Index, I do not believe a finite 5-7 point variance between Fruit Juice and Soda pop is a swift justification to opt for the heavily HFCS fortified carbonated beverage with preservatives, dyes and syrup additives into the otherwise carefully calculated nutritional regimen of an aspiring athlete; especially when taking the increased affinity for lipo genesis into account on behalf of the HFCS, a volatile and unhealthy modified belly fat proliferator.
Per FDA regulations in labeling and consumer product sales, Fruit Juice can only be claimed and listed on the shelves if it is truly 100% pure, free of any additional sugars or artificial flavors/constituents. The much more ubiquitous juice drinks, known as Fruit c-o-c-ktails (virtually everything that comes with a straw, in a box or pouch, and comprises the hefty remainder of the aisle's retail real estate) is sugar fortified and has been outed as being even MORE calorie dense and the sugar source of choice for diabetics who have gone severely hypo. So, in closing I do not believe a small almost immeasurably insignificant dichotomy of insulin signaling potential among two products should lead the health minded anabolism concerned male/female to blindly choose the drink which exclaims massive amounts of HFCS and a slight spread in GI when an almost limitless cadre of other choices exist that will amplify overall health and still bring about the desired ultimate result of heightened nutrient shuttling into the muscle cells.
pdredman72
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wow you guys are makin my little brain hurt??
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Something I wanted to 'inject' into this thread and current discussion pertaining to insulin/glucose (which probably would be better served as a stand alone thread started with regards to its breadth of topic) would be current research including both GI and Glycemic Load of various foods, averaged out by institutions such as Harvard and published online.
For example, the two foods that sit confidently atop the glycemic hierarchy would be dates and jasmine rice by all accounts; if we are excluding the obvious reigning king of pure glucose (something like this Invalid Link Removed). I have implemented Dates as a part of my post workout regimen before, but the taste was far too much to handle and I reverted back to corn flakes, dextrose, etc. Jasmine rice is also uncontested in its overall pancreatic prowess (ha) tipping the measuring scales at a mind bending 109 (+/- 10) GI and an accompanying Glycemic Load also well above the 20 water mark... yet, I don't see aspiring bicep flexing gym rats tossing back a cup of dates and inhaling a steaming plate of Jasmine rice after their grueling bouts; why is this? As an aside but just as relevant... why not simply choose the direct source of it all, which is the powerhouse of insulin signaling all other carbs are measured by, and purchase a glucose drink or glucose tablets/powder in order to experience the most instant and dramatic spike in insulin possible without exogenous injection?
For example, the two foods that sit confidently atop the glycemic hierarchy would be dates and jasmine rice by all accounts; if we are excluding the obvious reigning king of pure glucose (something like this Invalid Link Removed). I have implemented Dates as a part of my post workout regimen before, but the taste was far too much to handle and I reverted back to corn flakes, dextrose, etc. Jasmine rice is also uncontested in its overall pancreatic prowess (ha) tipping the measuring scales at a mind bending 109 (+/- 10) GI and an accompanying Glycemic Load also well above the 20 water mark... yet, I don't see aspiring bicep flexing gym rats tossing back a cup of dates and inhaling a steaming plate of Jasmine rice after their grueling bouts; why is this? As an aside but just as relevant... why not simply choose the direct source of it all, which is the powerhouse of insulin signaling all other carbs are measured by, and purchase a glucose drink or glucose tablets/powder in order to experience the most instant and dramatic spike in insulin possible without exogenous injection?
sanchezgreg18
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So you have any studies that were ever conducted showing that someone eating the most high glycemic carbs post wo gained more LBM because of "Insulin spike" over someone who relied solely on say Oats? do you have any studies showing the affect of reoccurring "Insulin Spiking", or better what happens when someone ingests 50-100g of sugar 5 times per week for 6-8 months / year for a number of years? You really think this brologic of "Insulin Spiking" using the most nutrient deprived High GI carbohydrate sources is healthy for anyone , bodybuilder or otherwise? If you have literature showing that HFCS or Dextrose lead to more Lean mass due to insulin spiking in the post workout timeframe with no adverse long term health effects I would die to see them. Who cares if Glucose spikes insulin more than anything but its nowhere near injecting even 1-2 IU of Humalog. Dextrose, HFCS, glucose whatever sugars you liike arent healthy and the slight increase of insulin versus a slow digesting carbohydrate are not going to increase lean mass gains.
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Why yes, I happen to have seventy five studies exactly tailored to those stringent specifications you enumerated, ha! Why are you soliciting me for studies when I also authored a reply above renouncing and confuting the usance of HFCS, and furthermore in my most recent writing drafted the body of text as an inquisitive invitation to elicit debate and discourse, not as a solidified scientifically authenticated stand point warranting the ardent advocation of the forum members to adopt.
Regarding your other notion, as I interpreted it, you are bolstering gym goers to turn their backs upon the manipulation and harnessing of one of the most anabolic hormone cascading events in existence, in favor of rolled oats, all in a purported conquest to avoid some sort of health deteriorating and eroding after effects wrought by the measured and controlled once daily ingestion of rice cakes and dates? Allow me to counter your supposition laced misdirected dissertation laden with underhanded smirks, nudges, and scoffs with a petition of my own for any even remotely related shred or thread of scientific affirming testimony fortifying and vindicating your farcical antiquated theories. I openly and arduously campaign for illuminating dissenting dialog throughout all forums and facets of life, but I can't even conjure the necessary will to highlight and extinguish your baseless primitive uncultivated prognostications.
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Maybe you stopped reading half way through when you realized it wasn't the usually encountered monosyllabic rubbish, because my counter points and entire common constructing foundation were evident and continually alluded to.
I refuse to degrade my years and tuition dollars/intellect and passion for sharing knowledge and gaining it from others, down to the lowest common denominator by pecking away lazily at a keyboard with short hand and acronyms - my original impetus remains unchanged; I was merely posing the question why we don't as a whole/collective consume non traditional foods that are equivalent to Dextrose/Vitargo/Maltodextrin in their Glycemic load and index in an attempt to save money and still reap the optimal well established benefits of enhancing post workout insulin release in conjunction with GDAs such as Slin Sane (which I have been enjoying for the past weeks of usage, similar to the OP).
thebigt
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did 1 hour and 15 minutes on treadmill. at the start i did 2 slinshot and then 6 oz grape juice with 3gms creapue/3gm bcaa's. when finished i took 2 slinshot and the grape juice mix but added a glucose chewable that they give to diabetic's. 2 slinshot pre was just too much with only 30 carbs-started getting a little hypo about 20 minutes in but fored my self to finish. tomorrow i will go back to the 1 cap pre and post-i guess i am too sensitive to the slinshot to use 2 caps. as to the effects of the glucose chewable-fantastic, i highly recommend.
slinsot is proving-to me at least, to be very effective.
todays weigh in 196, thats -2. i am very pleased.
slinsot is proving-to me at least, to be very effective.
todays weigh in 196, thats -2. i am very pleased.
oufinny
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Don't insult my intelligence, I think my three majors in four years of schooling are proof enough I am not looking for five word, monosyllabic sentences that a five year old could read. Better put, I don't wear my education on my shoulder and flaunt it to prove I'm better than you. There is nothing wrong with your stated goal of figuring out if, as you say, non-traditional foods carry the same rewards as typical complex carbs pwo. Why don't you post what your experience is with Slin-Sane, foods you consume, quantity etc... that way we can all better understand your thought process and determine if it is something we want to try. Otherwise, you're just using your "education" to talk above everyone else and provide little tangible benefit. If you want to write a paper and have it published, write as you have, otherwise peck away with the rest of us simpletons and enhance the flow of knowledge. That is of course what you are trying to do, right?
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THAT is ironic that you used the Glucose Chewable! Excellent choice... what was the nutrition profile of each tablet?
I took (6) Glycobol and (4) Slin Shot prior to my usual Saturday cheat meal (Stuffed Crust Pizza followed by a brownie with ice cream on top) along with 100mg of Vanadyl Sulfate and 1g of Chromium, and I still ended up getting massive sugar spiking response and water retention/bloating (even leading into the following day). I believe the worthiness of these supplements lies more in their inclusion of a well structured nutritional protocol, rather than trying to mitigate possible fat accrual in response to a provocative glucose challenge such as a cheat meal - what do you think Big T?
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I understand your aggravation, but as a newer member here the outpouring of positive and supportive encouraging feedback I have been given by members and even sponsors going out of their way to write me has only been slightly tarnished by your seeming unwillingness to accept my writing and approach toward research and discourse in the same regard. I cannot think of any other subject or specific labor of love and learning that demands and deserves more thoughtful articulation than the applied sciences using ourselves as the experimental volunteer. Also, I have shared my experiences regarding Slin Shot, and other GDAs in great detail, and tried to be creative in spawning new and entertaining/enlightening streams of discussion. I employ an always vigilant careful tactic with every post to make sure I do not become emotionally involved, or intentionally offend or insult any member here with profane or immature Internet pillow fighting.
I look forward to being here, and will continue to conduct myself and author my posts to the best of my ability and feel confident that approach will be met with more approval than disapproval.
Now, back to Slin Sane's ability to nullify insulins ability to manifest new adipose tissue and enhance creatine uptake independent of the insulin pathway mechanism.
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There's also a load of fat in that stuff as well so you can't say it was just the sugar. You can't just eat what you want so much even with this. I bet you can add in more carbs to a cut or help with good nutritional plan eating over naintenance and might give you a little more wiggle room.
thebigt
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whoa-even if the np's mitigate the carbs, that is a ton of fat to contend with.
as to the glucose tablet-it says watermelon glucose tablets, dextrose is the carb-4grams. it isn't much just 4 grams but damn, it sure hits fast.
thebigt
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this is very true, i have been able to increase my carb intake and still continue to lose weight, plus with the added carbs and creatine my muscles look much fuller and the pump is wild.:food:
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I agree 101%, and wasn't trying to rely upon any supplement to completely eliminate the inescapable metabolic consequences of having a weekly cheat meal. I just implement GDAs prior to the weekly binge as a type of shock absorber
thebigt
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I agree 101%, and wasn't trying to rely upon any supplement to completely eliminate the inescapable metabolic consequences of having a weekly cheat meal. I just implement GDAs prior to the weekly binge as a type of shock absorber
i just added AT-2 in yesterday, you might consider adding this to your cheat meals-very effective fat burner. the slinshot for the carbs and the AT-2 for the fat-got the bases covered.:food::food:
zombiemuscle
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How do u feel the 4grams glucose tablet compares to the 30+ grams sugar in soda?
thebigt
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the soda wins just due to the extra carbs-but for just 4 grams the glucose tablet is a lot of bang, might try 2 or 3 glucose tablets to see what that's like, but they can get expensive.
zombiemuscle
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I found 50 glucose tablets at my local rite aid for 6.99, 4g glucose each. I might try them when I cut soda outa my diet haha.
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I have always relied on either Clenbutrx, Mitotropin, or Clen/T3 over the years for my choice metabolic amplifiers; what is AT-2? Thanks for the suggestion - being able to cover all macro nutrient bases and reduce the plausible fat gain from cheat meals would be WELCOMED
See...... we can all get along!! HAHAHA! $6.99 for 200g of carbs is a lot, but used sparingly as a very purpose specific additive post workout might prove beneficial
thebigt
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that's a fantastic price, i paid more than that for a 10 pack.
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If that was the Rite Aid price... I would have to assume Wal-Mart would have even better prices; I am going to WM tonight to re-stock on some meat head essentials, so I will look around. The Off Season is always the ideal time to incorporate new techniques and apply emerging theory in pharmacology and nutrition. I'll report back here
Triceps in T-Minus 20 minutes... I have been waiting the recommended full two hours between pre-workout meal and training. Took my two Slin Shot and made some delicious turkey breast and oatmeal bread sandwiches.
thebigt
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If that was the Rite Aid price... I would have to assume Wal-Mart would have even better prices; I am going to WM tonight to re-stock on some meat head essentials, so I will look around. The Off Season is always the ideal time to incorporate new techniques and apply emerging theory in pharmacology and nutrition. I'll report back here
Triceps in T-Minus 20 minutes... I have been waiting the recommended full two hours between pre-workout meal and training. Took my two Slin Shot and made some delicious turkey breast and oatmeal bread sandwiches.
my wife made oatmeal raisin cookies with molasses as the sweetener-i heard molasses is much better than sugar or even honey.
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Better in terms of insulin signaling, yes. I believe it exists in the 80's on the Glycemic Index, whereas honey is primarily a fructose derivative and falls well below 70 by any account on the GI - I was just studying the Glycemic Load data last night, and have my notes next to me, but did not mark anything pertaining to syrup or honey.
crazyfool405
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wow 6 glycobol and 4 slinshot prior to a meal and your glycemia remained high through the next day? thats no bueno.
never do that! split the dose pre meal and mid meal!
never do that! split the dose pre meal and mid meal!
thebigt
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had another great workout-dosing remained the same 1cap slinshot and then 3 gms creapure, 3gms bcaa and 6 oz grape juice pre and post workout the 1 cap slinshot and 15 minutes later same drink mix.
i did 20 minutes stairmaster/20 minutes rowing/30 minutes treadmill.
i decided that i wanted a little cheat so i bought a snickers bar and ate it about 10 minutes after finishing my post workout drink mix. damn, i haven't had a snickers in a long time-damn thing just seemed like a taste of heaven. got home feeling good and then i crashed from the sugar and slept great.
i did 20 minutes stairmaster/20 minutes rowing/30 minutes treadmill.
i decided that i wanted a little cheat so i bought a snickers bar and ate it about 10 minutes after finishing my post workout drink mix. damn, i haven't had a snickers in a long time-damn thing just seemed like a taste of heaven. got home feeling good and then i crashed from the sugar and slept great.
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There is truly nothing like that sugar-induced nap time, haha! I am glad to see you're using the grape juice; is it a 100% pure juice drink or a juice c-ocktail (had to space the work because it would have been crossed-out)? I ended up at Wal-Mart last night but was in too much of a rush to check on the Glucose tablet/drink pricing. I had an excellent meal upon waking and am going to train quads in half an hour, might be able to get in two workouts today! Have a good one - by the way, my apologies if I missed this anywhere, but are you tracking your body weight or administering any other supplements alongside the Slin Sane?
thebigt
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100% grape juice-no ****tail. i weighed in this morning at 197 so i am continuing to lose weight while still looking/feeling full.
btw-it's slinshot....not slin sane, lol.:chairfall: