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Best Fina Stack??

vernymac12

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im about to run a cycle of Fina, i was wondering what would stack well with this?? i hear alot of people using test, or prop, im trying to put on decent size and cut not just bulk...any ideas on a good stack with this?
 
I uesed to mix it with my prop and inject eod
 
vernymac12 said:
im about to run a cycle of Fina, i was wondering what would stack well with this?? i hear alot of people using test, or prop, im trying to put on decent size and cut not just bulk...any ideas on a good stack with this?
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UGHH ONCE AGAIN A SKINNY BOY TURNING TO AAS TOOO EARLY!!!

This is getting out of hand on here.

Dude you have sooo much more you can gain naturally before turning to aas. I mean come on you are almost 6ft and only 160lbs!!!!!

And what you are trying to do is just dumb! "im trying to put on decent size and cut" DUDE WTF!!! It is very very hard to do both at the same time... near impossible. You can recomp but you are in no position to even need that. HOW ABOUT YOU LEARN HOW TO EAT AND GROW! It is obvious you need to learn a few things before turning to aas!!!

Second. Have your even run a test cycle? If so and your still 160lbs another reason to not do this cause you have no idea what you are doing. If not. I def would look at doing a test cycle first when you gain more weight naturally.

You can use all the aas you want but if you dont know how to eat then it will not do any good. Yeah you may blow up during your cycle but after you will loose it all and it will have been worthless.

I am sorry about the tone of this but you have to see my frustration. Others will chime in and tell you the exact same thing!
 
ok how about this bud, meal plan which i have been on the last two months.

8am- protein shake, three eggs, oatmeal apple
10-am 2 PBswiches apple
12PM- protein shake PBswhich
2pm-PB half a grilled chicken breast
no more till 5 when i get home
then Two PBS Full Chicken breast someteims two, Shake right before i go off to the gym

get back normally around 9 then i take another shake, and eat some kind of pasta with rice and potatoes

obviously different foods subbed in, ala steak, lamb, carrotts, corn things of that nature

im 22, ive ran gear before former college athlete i eat a ton but i dont gein weight, everyone is different id appreciate a little more consideration....and yes i understand what your saying ive ran Deca Durabolin before....most i have ever geined without juice is to 170 then im thick and bulky and i dont like that, everybodies body is different when i eat a ton my metabolism speeds up just as everyones will but my curve never changes i dont gein much weight because of how active i am... i know what i am doing im simply asking anyoine with experience on fina to give me some options to stack, i appreciate the constructive criticism but the rest doesnt need to be had here...thanks
 
and when i say gein and cut you have to understand its within reason, im a naturally slim guy so the cut part will be easy to do after i have geins, im not a moron i know you can only have one or the other but being natrually slim it wont be as hard to be more cut while bulking up
 
this is my personal stand, but you would need to wait. I know you get sick and tired of hearing that but I did multiple cycles in my late teens to about 21 befoore I listened to the voice of reason and quit. In my mid to late 20's I put on more size and strength just through consitent diet and exercise than I ever did with gear. Truth is the truth. I dont ever look at any ones age or stats cause I know people are gonna do what they have their minds set on and I dont want to waste my breathe. But if you are naturally lean and a hard gainer, eat plenty of protein and I would even eat dirty calories as long as you dont get fat. I worked with a guy on his diet and routine, he was stuck at a very ripped and lean 160, was strong but could not put on size and was turning to gear. I told him to do whatever it takes to get 4-5000 calories a day with plenty of protein. Add little debbie oatmeal pies in the blender with shakes or what ever it takes. Get your calories. In 6 months he was up to 190 pounds and still had well defined abs. If you are a hard gainer you need tons of calories. I suggest writing it all down and getting a food scale so you know exactly. So many people think they are eating lean to lose weight, or eating a lot to gain, but when you sit down and write it out it is no where near what they think
 
based on your diet you are not getting anywhere near the calories you need. It is now hard for me to lose weight, which I am currently cutting and I eat more than what you are eating. I would not use fina for bulking, just me. It is a great drug but I would be running test e and deca or eq, with dbol or anadrol if I really wanted to bulk
 
Your diet F*ing sucks!!! And laughable!!! No wonder why u can't add weight. Half a chicken breast... Hahaha... Try this for a few months:
meal 1: 4 whole eggs, 5 egg whites, 1.5 cups oatmeal or 4-5 slices whole wheat toast

meal 2: 50g protein, 1cup oats, 1tablespoon mac nut oil

meal 3: 8oz chicken with 1.5 cups brown rice and hand full almonds

meal 4: repeat either meal 2 or 3

postwo: 40-50 whey, 80g waxy maize

meal 5: repeat meal 3, or oz lean ground beef or some type of fish, large sweet potato

meal 6: same as 5

optional meal 7 prebed: 40g casien w/ tablespoon mac nut oil or a casien low fat cottage cheese shake


This is how you eat for size my friend. Not this crappy meal plan u have setup. Try this with no aas and u will be surprised how fast u will be growing. It's just a basic outline but hopefully u get the idea that what u are doing is not even close to what it should be!!!!
 
You say u know what ur doing but it is very very obvious u really don't. Cause u have been using gear and really not growing... Cause u said u were 170 then lost 10lbs?!?!?!!!
 
christ, why do people assume stuff?? the most i have ever weighed off eating a ton is 170, on gear i got to 185 that was purely on DECA DURABOLIN, and not i was 150 when i started that, and 50g of protein??? im a Sports Science major and 50g of protein cant be ingested at one time, it gets pissed out it ranges from 20-30 depending on your body, anyone can put on aa ton of weight and get thick but thats not what iw ant and not what im going to do, and im interested in fina because i have some family that has background in it and saw the results from them plus with no aromitazation it seems like a solid product...everyone has their own theories thats great im simply asking what you would stack it with i appreciate the time and input many of you have said but thats not what im asking! what would go well with fina
 
and to clear it up i used gear a few years back, i havent been on it since so the 160 is what im at right now off dieting, i was 168 two months ago but my diet cut my body fat and ive lost 8lbs of fat, anything else ??
 
lie liftingstud said, ur diet is horrible and laughable.....but ur going to use steroids one way or the other.

Test Prop 100mg eod 1-10
Tren Ace (Fina) 75mg eod 1-8
HCG 250iu 2x week 3-10
caber .5mg 2x week 1-10
 
Ur a sports science major and think the body can handle only 20-30g proton at a time?!??? What school do u go to? Cause they are stealing ur money.

Please tell me howgusts like Ronnie Coleman or Kai green or jay culter or branch got to be the beasts they are on just 20-30g protein per meal?

And u did a deca only cycle?!?? Haha... Guess u don't have a girlfriend or friend with benefits.

You got up to 185lbs and have lost 15lbs?!???! Haha so u gave used gear and pretty much made no progress? Yep u know exactly what u are doing.

Sorry to be an a$$ but come on man...
 
Nos, i appreciate your input and help i will look into the diet but im not trying to gein a ton of bodyfat eating horribly...ill look into the food journal as a guy stated a few posts up to see what works and what doesnt so i can see the big picture one what i have been consuming
 
chill bro, no one here is slamming you so chill out. Trust me you need to just sit back and listen to people that have been there and done that. I love fina it is cheap and easy to get and you get great results. You get solid gains with little to no water gain. I am kinda confused how you are gonna put on much weight without gettin thick eventually. If you are just wanting to put on a solid 10pounds go with fina and prop. Might help if you list what you are actually going for cause I think most are assuming you want to grow as much as possible
 
you can eat all you want you moron and take it in but the fact of the matter is that your body can only dissolve 20-30g of protein at one given time! look it up and not from some junk site check out a journal or volume out of a online library...its science, and you speak of other people, bro theirs a guy i went to schoolw ith same height as me, ate less but was bigger...hes never weighed more than 170 lbs the kid is 21, all he added was two protein shakes a day hes up to 190 right now and eats less than me, everyones body is different theirs no way to explain everything that goes on some people are born with size some arent, some are easy geiners some are hard, so when you critisize take everything in...ive dieted with tons of calories and i dont liek myself when im that way, and yes i used gear when i was only 19 geined a good deal off it but when you dont use for close to 3 years and arent consistent lifting over that time you lose it, i cant write u an exact journal of my day to day to give you the shades of grey your missing, just relax sounds like youhave a tad much testosterone in your body trying to man up over a computer
 
big beef, im sorry! your right i should have posted i only want to get to around 180-185 i dont want to be a massive person, being cut and an ok size is good for me because as a lean 185 ill look bigger than that...
 
I have also done more than one deca only cycles and put on good gains and had no sexual sides. I also went to school for the same thing and the 20-30 gram at a time is what is taught. While using aas this amount becomes greater as protein synthesis is increased so you need and can process more. This number I do not fully believe in. I am gear free and have been some time now, but am eating low carb diet and thus my daily protein intake is much higher cause all I can really eat is meat. And I can say my strength gains and size are increasing so the higher protein intake is definitely a good thing
 
vernymac12 said:
ok how about this bud, meal plan which i have been on the last two months.

8am- protein shake, three eggs, oatmeal apple
10-am 2 PBswiches apple
12PM- protein shake PBswhich
2pm-PB half a grilled chicken breast
no more till 5 when i get home
then Two PBS Full Chicken breast someteims two, Shake right before i go off to the gym
....

i eat a ton but i dont gein weight
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I eat more than that when i'm cutting. Thats not a ton by any stretch of imagination.

And you are wrong on the protein too. Yes, drinking straight whey isolate on an empty stomach with nothing with it 30g is about the max you can get value of in one "meal", but comparing that with solid foods is silly. 80g of protein from a steak could take 8-10 hours to digest, and taking in 60g of protein from whey with fiber or fats changes its digestion rate as well.
 
vernymac12 said:
Nos, i appreciate your input and help i will look into the diet but im not trying to gein a ton of bodyfat eating horribly...ill look into the food journal as a guy stated a few posts up to see what works and what doesnt so i can see the big picture one what i have been consuming
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stick to chicken, ground beef, fish, fruits, veggies, sweet potatoes, oats and whole grains....thats all u need. yes it blows at times eating the same thing day in and out, but be creative.....eating PB sandwiches 3 times a day arent going to do jack for u though.


edit: i also want to add that i am usually the pissed off a$$hole when i see posts like this. but im trying to be better about it....i either be helpful or stay out of it, because the noob and/or dumb posts will never go away no matter how many of us vets here yell and curse at ppl.
 
beef that is very interesting and makes good sense, i eat alot of meat as well...when i was on decca i experienced no sexual side effects and quite honestly no side effects at all, thats what makes me wonder why i keep seeing people sya if your not feeling the sides it aint working...i geined about 30lbs but didnt get any sides...
 
definitely do a food journal and work out journal. helped me 100% while dieting down and knowing what weights and reps to use on next workout
 
definitely varies from person to person. I never had one side and went up about 30lbs on 2 8 week cycles of it. My training partner cant use it even while on test without extreme sexual side effects
 
thanks NOS i realize that to many it is ridiculous, but my goals may be different from others...but i appreciate the effort to help out i really do
 
Dude I am just trying to help you out... i am not trying to man up over the computer... or had too much test...

That 20-30g is total BS. Maybe for your average joe that is not workout hardcore 4-5x wk... but that number greatly increases... then like what was stated above, you introduce aas and you need even more due to the increased protein synthesis going on and growth.

You can easily reach your goal without any aas at all. Actually from the sounds of it, ie the gear you have run, you should already be there.

What I am trying to get across to you the whole time is something isnt right and its your diet. Cause from what you posted it is horrible. If you get on a diet like I posted you will easily grow naturally. And you will not turn into a big fat blob because you are eating high quality food and none of the junk food. Will you add some fat... yes but you have to add some fat to add muscle... It is WAY too hard to gain pure muscle, as a sports science major you should know this. Why do you think all the pros add tons of size in the off season as they try and grow. Because you cant stay ripped and add quality size... well you can but it is a very very very slow process.

I think you should relax and listen to what others are tell you. Because everyone seems to be in agreement, but like the typical young kid you refuse to accept it.

Ohh yeah... your body doesnt dissolve protein, hahaha
 
nosnmiveins said:
edit: i also want to add that i am usually the pissed off a$$hole when i see posts like this. but im trying to be better about it....i either be helpful or stay out of it, because the noob and/or dumb posts will never go away no matter how many of us vets here yell and curse at ppl.
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Its just crazy cause more and more of these keep popping up on here each day. And they all get so defensive when you tell them to eat better. Because that is always the problem. Heck it was mine until i started a food log and bought a scale. And the change has been dramatic. Just get sick and tired of this recently.
 
im listening and taking in, but when i have experimented with my own body and not seen results i change my views....do you think you are the first person to tell me how much more i need to eat? my body doesnt respond when i pack on weight like that it all goes straight to my belly...i understand your aspects and everyone elses but because things may not have worked for you at my age doesnt meant hey wont for me, hell their are 18 yr old kids around here takin juice in high school that works for them which i wouldnt advise it event ho i took at 19, its your own body to do with what you want,a nd you never know until you try...i had coaches in high school and college, take in 6000 a day and abunch of us did that some flourished, others got fat eating the same things...everyones different, point being when i asked my question just give me the answer and not all the side circus jive...i appreciate the time it takes to look up things and have done my share in school and on here as a young learner in this area, but you cant poke jokes at someone then expect them to be ok and not jump back c'mon man? but none the less i do apologize for the attitude i showed!
 
i started at 150, over the last almost 3 yrs, its just went away i played ball for another year then after didnt work out much mostly in random spurts of a month or so at a time...i just now got serious with it again because i had no reason really to stay in shape when i was done with sports because i was in decent shape at the time, i have just lost it over the years, it doesnt magically stay if you dont maintain it which im sure you know i kept about 10-15 lbs for it but i fluctuate from 160-165 at a given time
 
Hey.. vernymack.. or whatever your name is...

FINA IS NOT TO BE COMPARED TO THE ****TY LITTLE DECA CYCLE YOU DID! This is one of the most potent injectables there is. You really need to listen when you ask for advice. There is much truth to what Mr. Liftingstud is yelling at you. I think it is clear you have not idea what you are doing here... looking at your diet, looking at your choice of AAS.. and your comments!!!! come on dude, you need to stay away from fina.

My advice
1-Seriously man, your diet sucks ass.... you need to jack it up to at least 5000 cals a day. Your not going to get fat.. stop worrying about loosing your four pack!

2- If you dont want to get big... I mean REAL ****ING BIG... stay away from fina. go do your little low grade AAS or even a PH if you have too.. but your not ready for fina.. thats like you saying your going to do insulin! hell, go with something like winn... I think thats more the results you are looking for.
 
Okay so u do this cycle gain the weight then what... Few months later ur back to 160lbs just like ur past cycles. I just don't see the point. Its obvious ur diet doesn't maintain the weight. So something ie ur diet needs to be fixed. You would be surprised what a great diet can do.
 
thanks cody, and lifting the reason im doing it is for Spring break vacation, i would like to be a decent size when i go down, when i come back im off and make my geins on my own and take what i get...im just looking for size quick in the next month n half...thats all this is about
 
vernymac12 said:
so you suggest when im off if i wanna maintain i need to stay at 5000 calories?
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See this is something you need to learn. Everyone is different.

If you metabolism is that fast at 185lbs i would suggest somewhere around 3,700, maybe more maybe less, depends on how much cardio u do and how often u lift. Probably start with a 40/40/20 p/c/f split. But it all comes down to a food log and tracking your progress and making minor adjustments and seeing how your body reacts. Thats if you really want to get serious about it. Some people need more protein. Some cant eat lots of carbs.

Just follow the diet i posted earlier... give it 6-8 wks and watch yourself grow. And if you are not growing after a 4wks or so add more cals in.

The idea is to eat and eat but make sure mostly its all clean... u can have cheat meals once a wk.

To be honest u dont need fina. It is a serious serious aas as others have mentioned.
 
ok i will do that thanks for the info on that, and i know i dont need it but none the less i want it, i appreciate the info about it tho....just is an easy way to get good geins quick
 
vernymac12 said:
thanks cody, and lifting the reason im doing it is for Spring break vacation, i would like to be a decent size when i go down, when i come back im off and make my geins on my own and take what i get...im just looking for size quick in the next month n half...thats all this is about
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HELP!!! SOMEONE STOP THIS DOUCHBAGGERY!!! "I wanna be hot for the hoes at the beach and get some play at the MTV party.. so Im gonna get jacked up on some fina for a few weeks and then Ill be a superstar!!"

FINA DOSENT EVEN KICK IN FOR 3 WEEKS, AFTER THAT IT IS OBVIOUS THAT YOU WONT FEED YOURSELF ENOUGH FOR IT TO DO WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO... THEN YOUR GOING TO GET ALL LIQUERED UP AND KILL SOMEONE ON SPRING BREAK BECAUSE YOUR TOO YOUNG TO CONTROL YOUR EMOTIONS, LIQUER, AND FINA AT THE SAME TIME... THEN YOU WILL BLAME IT ON THE FINA..THEN MY ****ING HOUSE IS GOING TO BE RAIDED BY THE DEA FOR BUYING CATTLE PELLETS ALL BECAUSE OF YOU!!!!

CAN YOU SEE WHY YOU ARE SUCH A THREAT TO HONEST HARD WORKING MEN ALL OVER THE WORLD!!!!

Ok, so maybe it wont be quite that bad.. but seriously.. you need to grow up man.
 
?? sounds like your the one who needs to grow up i asked for advice, you decide to type a paper flamming me...and idk what kind you've had before, fin and sus three day in already gainin, thanks for caring tho
 
vernymac12 said:
?? sounds like your the one who needs to grow up i asked for advice, you decide to type a paper flamming me...and idk what kind you've had before, fin and sus three day in already gainin, thanks for caring tho
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gotta love placebo gains!!!!! the outrage comes in that your stats suggest you are not ready for aas and then the whole SB comment.

How long is your cycle? what dose are you currently using? If your just starting that puts he end in April/May... Def after SB... So what u going to be juicing and drinking for a wk and not working out while you are away on SB?
 
100mgEOD fin, 125mgEOD sus, and no i wont be drinking while down their, just not my style and my fam has a condo and their has been a golds near it, a few guys that go with me pay for a week membership so we have somewhere to do our training...
 
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