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Nutrishop pushing products....thoughts?

bikeswimlive

bikeswimlive

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So a Nutrishop opened up in my town and I went in this weekend and checked it out. I read on their corporate site that they won't be undersold (including the internet), so I printed off the page and took it in with me along with the prices I buy all my supps from (all pages printed directly from NP). I went in and was the only customer in and I talked with the owner for roughly 45 minutes. I told him that about the supplements that I take and that I am bookworm in online forums (hopefully to keep him honest).
The main reason for my visit was to check out what pre-workouts he had in stock. I explained that I buy online because of pricing and convenience and that I normally purchase the vasocharge/xtend combo on NP for 52.99. The deal is hard to beat and they are solid products.
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Well, he basically told me he thought both products were crap (even though he stocks them both). I then told him I have read many great things about Jack3d and he continued to tell me it was crap (his words, not mine). So I grew tired of his criticism of proven products and asked what he recommends. He says he "swears" by this product:
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I said I would have to read up on it and check it out. Anyone have knowledge on it, or do you think he just has a larger profit margin on this product? No reviews of it on NP (or anywhere that I can find). He also desperately tried to get me to buy HGHUp.
I'm just tired of these places stocking things they think are crap and then pushing something obscure. He also didn't look too happy when I pulled out his corporation price matching policy when I told him to get me to buy HGHUp he would have to drop the price by $12 dollars and throw in a free bottle of NeoVar like they do on NP.
Long story short, do you guys have any experience with Nutrishop or 1M.R.??
 
Good lord... 300mgs of Caffeine per serving in the 1MR... Caffeine Anhydrous, Yerba Mate, Gaurana.... oh my.

PASS.
 
no this guy is a clown, this item obviously carries more commission $ than other products. I worked at vitamin world and we had this policy, and I know gnc does as well.
 
BPI is new and pretty solid...their stims are too much for me but if you liked the original jacked you ought to like 1.m.r. Its definately better than vasocharge but anyone who tells me extend is crap would never get my business because they are either trying to sell me something else or have NO clue what they are talking about.
 
I definitely agree there are better than Vasocharge, the combo deal is just too good to pass up when buying Xtend.
 
Every retailer, on-line or storefront, carries manufacurers products that may or may not be the most innovative or groundbreaking.
 
David Dunn said:
Every retailer, on-line or storefront, carries manufacurers products that may or may not be the most innovative or groundbreaking.
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Understood. My main concern was that he makes a greater profit on the product he was recommending, aka being more concerned with his bottom line than my customer well being.
 
mooch2321 said:
or find someone who really cares about their customers and isnt trying to make a quick buck and support them. id much rather support someone in my community than some online company.
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Qualify community? I imagine you engage in more common interest dialoge more frequently at the AM community than in your zip codes community. No? Does the investment in the AM retailer NutraPlanet not reinvest back into your AM community with sales, discounts, free shipping, knowledgeable product support and an overall swell bunch of guys to shoot the **** with?
 
David Dunn said:
Qualify community? I imagine you engage in more common interest dialoge more frequently at the AM community than in your zip codes community. No? Does the investment in the AM retailer NutraPlanet not reinvest back into your AM community with sales, discounts, free shipping, knowledgeable product support and an overall swell bunch of guys to shoot the **** with?
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Agreed. Defining community is very subjective. People throw the "buy local" argument around way too much. Why would I patronize a business that is trying to not only take advantage of me, but charges a higher price in doing so. I will buy from those who have the most to offer the customer.
 
well to be honest he didnt even push you the store brands so he may be being honest there, but BPI is very very very new and has yet to build a reputation, so it may be worth a shot if it makes sense benefit to cost ratio..... the one product that nutrishop carries taht is BOMB is KATalyst Vasocore, it has GPLC not as solid as Pre Max but still a great product two scoops will do the trick, and OP use them for their samples bro they will sample almost everything, and their PRO5 is bar none the best protein out there, not a **** load of crap or fillers, and a great casein whey blend
 
He was doing was trying to steer you from what you wanted. You wanted the vasocharge/xtend combo for 52.99 but he didn't want to sell it to you for that price, rather he was attempting to redirect you towards something he had a greater profit margin on.
 
Being that it is new he could be attempting to stay ahead of the game so to speak. Or he makes a better margin, they ask you to try the new "fill in the blank" at the drive through not because it is better but more profitable for them. IMO he should recommend it but not push it on you. This is how I run my store. I will let you know my picks but will be happy to sell you what ever you like.

Edit: I got some samples of 1MR and a really nice t-shirt with a stick figure lifting a BB over head. I personally do not like 300mgs of caffeine for a PreWO.
 
pushinweightw said:
Being that it is new he could be attempting to stay ahead of the game so to speak. Or he makes a better margin, they ask you to try the new "fill in the blank" at the drive through not because it is better but more profitable for them. IMO he should recommend it but not push it on you. This is how I run my store. I will let you know my picks but will be happy to sell you what ever you like.

Edit: I got some samples of 1MR and a really nice t-shirt with a stick figure lifting a BB over head. I personally do not like 300mgs of caffeine for a PreWO.
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Same here, the standard 200mgs is even to much for me.
 
David Dunn said:
Qualify community? I imagine you engage in more common interest dialoge more frequently at the AM community than in your zip codes community. No? Does the investment in the AM retailer NutraPlanet not reinvest back into your AM community with sales, discounts, free shipping, knowledgeable product support and an overall swell bunch of guys to shoot the **** with?
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i deleted the post because i knew you would bring this up...but looks like you caught it before hand. I do order from nutra from time to time to support a sponsor of this online "community". But, i think its just as important to support the guy whose child sits next to yours in school, or the guy who's always spotting you at the gym.
 
JN230 said:
.... the one product that nutrishop carries taht is BOMB is KATalyst Vasocore, it has GPLC not as solid as Pre Max but still a great product two scoops will do the trick...
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In terms of an adequately dosed GPLC pre-workout product, PreMax is unmatched. :)
 
Outdated community models are outdated.

This is a new consciousness, one not defined by proximity anymore.
 
mooch2321 said:
BPI is new and pretty solid...their stims are too much for me but if you liked the original jacked you ought to like 1.m.r...
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1.M.R's formula (in terms of ingredients, not ingredient amounts) reminds me a lot of that of a certain popular pre-workout product. :thinking:
 
DAdams91982 said:
Your idea is ominous and only your own.
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Hardly. Community now becomes one of choice defined by shared goal, not geographic proximity.
 
dsade said:
Hardly. Community now becomes one of choice defined by shared goal, not geographic proximity.
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Then the ideal of local community sustainability and improvement is lost on the backs of global goals? Like I said, the idea is yours... not shared by all.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Then the ideal of local community sustainability and improvement is lost on the backs of global goals? Like I said, the idea is yours... not shared by all.
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Most I know would rather assist kindred souls thousands of miles away, than enemies next door.
 
dsade said:
Most I know would rather assist kindred souls thousands of miles away, than enemies next door.
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Agreed, but who said anything about supporting enemies next door? That is stretching your argument very thin. There are altruistic beings in your very city. I, and I am sure others are willing to help the small business man in their area as opposed to other at a distance.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Agreed, but who said anything about supporting enemies next door? That is stretching your argument very thin. There are altruistic beings in your very city. I, and I am sure others are willing to help the small business man in their area as opposed to other at a distance.
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Agreed...but there are apparently also people such as the OP described.

This discussion is in the context of supporting the AM community, with NP as outlet, over a less scrupled, but local, business.
 
dsade said:
Agreed...but there are apparently also people such as the OP described.

This discussion is in the context of supporting the AM community, with NP as outlet, over a less scrupled, but local, business.
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Man D... how in the world do we always twist a topic? :D It happens every time.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Man D... how in the world do we always twist a topic? :D It happens every time.
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Because we are twisted people.

/me and my twisted sister.
 
I get tired of the argument, "I will gladly spend an extra 20% to support a local shop/store". Why? In what way does this make any sense. My responsibilities are you myself and my bottom line. Not the neighbor who wants to upgrade to a Mercedez and send his kids to private school. My bottomline is what is important to me. Another local shop said I should buy from them because "they are always there to answer questions, to deal with problems, and to avoid the hassle of shipping." Sort of ironic when I realized I had more knowledge than the sales staff (thanks AM btw), they don't have anything I want in stock generally, and their prices are higher. I had an issue with my NP order last week and I emailed customer service. I had an answer within one hour, the problem was solved, and was given a perk for the trouble. My NP orders are at my house in three days or less. Most intelligent body builders plan what they are going to take well in advance and if you can't account for a three day lead time, don't take a supplement.
That rant got out of control. My bad.
As for the definition of community. Things like cell phones, facebook, myspace, forums like AM, instant messangers, hell even xbox live have created massive groups and communities that are spread over large distances. Traditional "communities" are no longer exclusive to your neighborhood.
 
bikeswimlive said:
I get tired of the argument, "I will gladly spend an extra 20% to support a local shop/store". Why? In what way does this make any sense. My responsibilities are you myself and my bottom line. Not the neighbor who wants to upgrade to a Mercedez and send his kids to private school. My bottomline is what is important to me. Another local shop said I should buy from them because "they are always there to answer questions, to deal with problems, and to avoid the hassle of shipping." Sort of ironic when I realized I had more knowledge than the sales staff (thanks AM btw), they don't have anything I want in stock generally, and their prices are higher. I had an issue with my NP order last week and I emailed customer service. I had an answer within one hour, the problem was solved, and was given a perk for the trouble. My NP orders are at my house in three days or less. Most intelligent body builders plan what they are going to take well in advance and if you can't account for a three day lead time, don't take a supplement.
That rant got out of control. My bad.
As for the definition of community. Things like cell phones, facebook, myspace, forums like AM, instant messangers, hell even xbox live have created massive groups and communities that are spread over large distances. Traditional "communities" are no longer exclusive to your neighborhood.
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I actually split my business amongst several online and B&M stores, as I have friends everywhere I try to support.

I even try to feed into the online barter system as much as possible.
 
bikeswimlive said:
I get tired of the argument, "I will gladly spend an extra 20% to support a local shop/store". Why? In what way does this make any sense. My responsibilities are you myself and my bottom line. Not the neighbor who wants to upgrade to a Mercedez and send his kids to private school. My bottomline is what is important to me. Another local shop said I should buy from them because "they are always there to answer questions, to deal with problems, and to avoid the hassle of shipping." Sort of ironic when I realized I had more knowledge than the sales staff (thanks AM btw), they don't have anything I want in stock generally, and their prices are higher. I had an issue with my NP order last week and I emailed customer service. I had an answer within one hour, the problem was solved, and was given a perk for the trouble. My NP orders are at my house in three days or less. Most intelligent body builders plan what they are going to take well in advance and if you can't account for a three day lead time, don't take a supplement.
That rant got out of control. My bad.
As for the definition of community. Things like cell phones, facebook, myspace, forums like AM, instant messangers, hell even xbox live have created massive groups and communities that are spread over large distances. Traditional "communities" are no longer exclusive to your neighborhood.
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Your views of local small business are skewed and thus arguing with you is a moo point: meaning a cows opinion, it doesnt matter.
 
So you are saying because I don't agree with you my opinion is skewed?? You must be a politician. Last I checked we are capitalists and I can patronize whatever business I desire. Who is to say I don't patronize local businesses? I've spent several thousand dollars in my local Bianchi bike shop. Why? Well, because they offer low prices, provide service that can't be beat, and offer an incredible product. You want my business? Then earn it.
 
bikeswimlive said:
So you are saying because I don't agree with you my opinion is skewed?? You must be a politician. Last I checked we are capitalists and I can patronize whatever business I desire. Who is to say I don't patronize local businesses? I've spent several thousand dollars in my local Bianchi bike shop. Why? Well, because they offer low prices, provide service that can't be beat, and offer an incredible product. You want my business? Then earn it.
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Firmly grab your G-String that seems firmly implanted in your ass and pull. Your statement of buying a new Mercedes is skewed when in regard to most local businesses. Patronize who you wish, no one is stopping you, but don't climb on your high horse ranting for no apparent reason.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Firmly grab your G-String that seems firmly implanted in your ass and pull. Your statement of buying a new Mercedes is skewed when in regard to most local businesses. Patronize who you wish, no one is stopping you, but don't climb on your high horse ranting for no apparent reason.
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Ok so the other percentage of those small businesses charging higher prices is not due to greed, but out of desperation. O boohoo. Its called capitalism. If they sold higher quantities of product, they would be able to afford to drop prices. Do you know how 90% of the local businesses meet that goal. You guessed it Einstein, by selling online. Now don't we have ourselves a pickle now. Would you discourage people from out of your local town, county, state from buying online, when in fact they could very well be shopping "locally" from your little store? Now say you have two local stores selling online against eachother battling for customers worldwide? Oh my god this economics stuff iS hArD fOr YoU iSn'T iT?? The traditional brick-and-mortar model doesn't quite fit today. So if your local store can't make that leap into competitiveness, guess what, they fail. It is a risk anyone who opens a small business takes. Once again I stress, earn my business. Guess what big dog I can rant on whatever topic I feel worthy. Magic of this forum. I think I just stuffed my G-String in your mouth. Don't choke.
 
bikeswimlive said:
Ok so the other percentage of those small businesses charging higher prices is not due to greed, but out of desperation. O boohoo. Its called capitalism. If they sold higher quantities of product, they would be able to afford to drop prices. Do you know how 90% of the local businesses meet that goal. You guessed it einstein, by selling online. Now don't we have ourselves a pickle now. Would you discourage people from out of your local town, county, state from buying online, when in fact they could very well be shopping "locally" from your little store. The traditional brick-and-mortar model doesn't quite fit today. So if your local store can't make that leap into competitiveness, guess what, they fail. It is a risk anyone who opens a small business takes. Once again I stress, earn my business. Guess what big dog I can rant on whatever topic I feel worthy. Magic of this forum. I think I just stuffed my G-String in your mouth. Don't choke.
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Usually due to higher overhead and lack of purchasing power.

I know with the collection of small accounts we have, we still offer VERY good profit potential, at a loss to us, in order to encourage and help them stay competitive.
 
dsade said:
Usually due to higher overhead and lack of purchasing power.
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Bingo. As an owner, you definitely know the reason people abandon the traditional brick and mortar is to avoid the overhead. Drop overhead and fixed costs and market to a much larger customer base (aka online) you have a perfect plan for profit.
 
bikeswimlive said:
Ok so the other percentage of those small businesses charging higher prices is not due to greed, but out of desperation. O boohoo. Its called capitalism. If they sold higher quantities of product, they would be able to afford to drop prices. Do you know how 90% of the local businesses meet that goal. You guessed it Einstein, by selling online. Now don't we have ourselves a pickle now. Would you discourage people from out of your local town, county, state from buying online, when in fact they could very well be shopping "locally" from your little store? The traditional brick-and-mortar model doesn't quite fit today. So if your local store can't make that leap into competitiveness, guess what, they fail. It is a risk anyone who opens a small business takes. Once again I stress, earn my business. Guess what big dog I can rant on whatever topic I feel worthy. Magic of this forum. I think I just stuffed my G-String in your mouth. Don't choke.
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You are a testy one today aren't you little guy?

Now lets dissect your incongruous little rant. Let's take for example services, please tell me the last time you were able to order a carpet cleaning online. Damn, can't, can you? Now lets look at the goods you can order, local stores have a much higher over head than an online entity, and economics 101 will tell you more over head means higher prices. Local entities must hire employees... you know, those mean ol people that actually employ people in your community, such terrible people. An online store can be some idiot with enough space in their basement.

Now I was not even trying to sway you or anyone one way or another, but brought a different perspective. Hell, I wasn't even saying for myself to not order online, but negating the local shop owner is lack luster at best.

Then here comes mr. internet tough guy spewing rhetoric all across the intertubes.
 
bikeswimlive said:
Bingo. As an owner, you definitely know the reason people abandon the traditional brick and mortar is to avoid the overhead. Drop overhead and fixed costs and market to a much larger customer base (aka online) you have a perfect plan for profit.
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Dude, do you even know what you are responding to? He just said he gives the local accounts a break to help them stay competitive.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Dude, do you even know what you are responding to? He just said he gives the local accounts a break to help them stay competitive.
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Thanks for the clarification.... I was agreeing with his point that is takes such circumstances for them (local) to remain profitable. How many companies cut such breaks? I am guessing not enough.
 
bikeswimlive said:
Thanks for the clarification.... I was agreeing with his point that is takes such circumstances for them (local) to remain profitable. How many companies cut such breaks? I am guessing not enough.
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As they shouldn't have too. Here is the great part, we get the choice. I choose to support local supplement shops for my basics... why? Because they are the same price, and I will be supporting more employees. Now when it comes to the things not common, Nutra gets my support.

This is really a non-issue between us, a pretty ridiculous argument.
 
DAdams91982 said:
You are a testy one today aren't you little guy?

Now lets dissect your incongruous little rant. Let's take for example services, please tell me the last time you were able to order a carpet cleaning online. Damn, can't, can you? Now lets look at the goods you can order, local stores have a much higher over head than an online entity, and economics 101 will tell you more over head means higher prices. Local entities must hire employees... you know, those mean ol people that actually employ people in your community, such terrible people. An online store can be some idiot with enough space in their basement.

Now I was not even trying to sway you or anyone one way or another, but brought a different perspective. Hell, I wasn't even saying for myself to not order online, but negating the local shop owner is lack luster at best.

Then here comes mr. internet tough guy spewing rhetoric all across the intertubes.
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Well instead of venturing off topic (aka carpet cleaning). No one is talking about buying services online (read back to my post on local bike shop). The basis of my original post was MY local Nutrishop. My point is, don't cry for the local business owner who doesn't utilize the internet for its obvious selling advantages. My entire debate is, its extremely hard for a local business to be "traditional" and be competitive with online stores. I am always going to watch my own bottom line first, I am sure you do as well. If you are going to have to charge a higher price, you had better earn my business. My local supp stores do not. So I buy online.
 
bikeswimlive said:
Well instead of venturing off topic (aka carpet cleaning). No one is talking about buying services online (read back to my post on local bike shop). The basis of my original post was MY local Nutrishop. My point is, don't cry for the local business owner who doesn't utilize the internet for its obvious selling advantages. My entire debate is, its extremely hard for a local business to be "traditional" and be competitive with online stores. I am always going to watch my own bottom line first, I am sure you do as well. If you are going to have to charge a higher price, you had better earn my business. My local supp stores do not. So I buy online.
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I can agree with your premise on your local supp shop, the guy sounded like a douche. I think you are taking what I am saying wrong. I am not saying blindly support your local shops. But when convenient, why not support some local places that you do trust?
 
DAdams91982 said:
I can agree with your premise on your local supp shop, the guy sounded like a douche. I think you are taking what I am saying wrong. I am not saying blindly support your local shops. But when convenient, why not support some local places that you do trust?
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I think we are in agreement now. I guess what I wrote could have been interpreted that I had no desire to support a local business. All I am saying is that there are those who call for people to blindly buy local. I just do not subscribe to that mentality. I just want my business to be earned. If they cannot I definitely can go to NP and be satisfied. I set the whole thread up to see if the guy at my store was as full of crap as I suspected him to be.
 
I usually assume anyone working at a retail sales job, doesn't not really want to be there, either is a high school drop out or didn't go to college, or is going to college and this is the only job he/she has to support his/her tuition and expenses, etc. Simply put, I really doubt a forum lurker actually works at these type of stores...So I just don't expect them to know about everything and anything that has to do, well in this case nutritional stuff. Like, what are the odds that the person will know anything about racetams, especially if they don't sell any, or ingredients like PEA, Phenibut, Geranium, dimethylamylamine, etc.

I just assume the people there actually have a life outside the store and probably don't revolve their whole lives around that store...Sort of like assuming that a cashier at a store knows where every god damn item is in the whooooole store.

Stick with what you like, do your own research and assume that the people working sales probably have a life outside that store.
 
bikeswimlive said:
So a Nutrishop opened up in my town and I went in this weekend and checked it out. I read on their corporate site that they won't be undersold (including the internet), so I printed off the page and took it in with me along with the prices I buy all my supps from (all pages printed directly from NP). I went in and was the only customer in and I talked with the owner for roughly 45 minutes. I told him that about the supplements that I take and that I am bookworm in online forums (hopefully to keep him honest).
The main reason for my visit was to check out what pre-workouts he had in stock. I explained that I buy online because of pricing and convenience and that I normally purchase the vasocharge/xtend combo on NP for 52.99. The deal is hard to beat and they are solid products.
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Well, he basically told me he thought both products were crap (even though he stocks them both). I then told him I have read many great things about Jack3d and he continued to tell me it was crap (his words, not mine). So I grew tired of his criticism of proven products and asked what he recommends. He says he "swears" by this product:
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I said I would have to read up on it and check it out. Anyone have knowledge on it, or do you think he just has a larger profit margin on this product? No reviews of it on NP (or anywhere that I can find). He also desperately tried to get me to buy HGHUp.
I'm just tired of these places stocking things they think are crap and then pushing something obscure. He also didn't look too happy when I pulled out his corporation price matching policy when I told him to get me to buy HGHUp he would have to drop the price by $12 dollars and throw in a free bottle of NeoVar like they do on NP.
Long story short, do you guys have any experience with Nutrishop or 1M.R.??
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I don't understand being upset at him pushing products. You are a self-admitted bookworm so you know what you want right? Just buy what you want and don't ask him what he thinks.

I have seen that many of their prices on the products I tend to buy are actually lower than the all the places I buy online plus the added bonus of no shipping charge and immediate delivery.

These guys obviously need to make their money back selling their vitasport brand and maybe others at higher markups but you don't have to buy them.

I enjoy having a place I can go between my house and the gym that sells many of the products I need and at lower or extremely competitive prices.

It would be nice if they really cared about me and wanted to sell me what was really best but that isn't going to work for them. They can't survive that way. So let them do what they do and do your own homework.
 
1.M.R is actually really good, he wasn't bull****tin you on that.
 
Everytime I walk into my local nutrishop and tell the guy what I take he tells me how bad each supplement is for me and tries so hard to push te nutrishop brand products on me and I've bought a couple of them but they never really did anything so I lost faith
 
The Nutrishop in my town is pretty bad. They are actually known for having the highest prices in northern CA. Dudes tell you you're doing everything wrong from the way to lift to the supps you're taking. Most of my friends and i have a good laugh about the employees and the store. Worse than GNC.
 
Interesting. I live in Charlotte, NC and my Nutrishop is the exact opposite of yours. They'll smack you on their store brands but, in general, they beat every online store I normally deal with.
 
oldfart said:
Interesting. I live in Charlotte, NC and my Nutrishop is the exact opposite of yours. They'll smack you on their store brands but, in general, they beat every online store I normally deal with.
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Completely depends on the owner imo. One guy i knew moved and got a job at a Nutrishop in his new town and loves it. Prices are much lower, staff is much more knowledgeable and willing to help you instead of pushing products.
 
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