Quantity over Quality

Pleonastic

Pleonastic

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Here's a little bulking tip for some people who need them. Eat eat and eat some more! Yes everyone says it and yes everyone is tired of hearing it but people still ask what to do to bulk up. Try to eat a large amount of food, yes the quality is important too. And in a perfect world you'd get both great quality and quantity. But when bulking focus on amount. Shove a few snickers bars in your pie hole from time to time. Eat your deserts. Bulking you can pretty much cheat diet all u want.

Keep your workouts short and intense and somewhat infrequent.

Don't be afraid of some fat!
 
Pleonastic said:
Here's a little bulking tip for some people who need them. Eat eat and eat some more! Yes everyone says it and yes everyone is tired of hearing it but people still ask what to do to bulk up. Try to eat a large amount of food, yes the quality is important too. And in a perfect world you'd get both great quality and quantity. But when bulking focus on amount. Shove a few snickers bars in your pie hole from time to time. Eat your deserts. Bulking you can pretty much cheat diet all u want.

Keep your workouts short and intense and somewhat infrequent.

Don't be afraid of some fat!
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Man I don't want to be rude but at 5'11" 180ish its hard for you to give bulking advice. I was 5'9" 180 when I was 15 and I am not a very large guy
 
I'm gonna write a book about the Snickers diet. You should have copyrighted it.

The sad thing is I bet that book would sell really well.
 
justreading said:
Man I don't want to be rude but at 5'11" 180ish its hard for you to give bulking advice. I was 5'9" 180 when I was 15 and I am not a very large guy
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Im actually 197lbs now not huge I know but I can bulk very well. I just dont want to be that heavy right now.
 
SamuraiSid said:
april fools???

But quality and quantity are easily achieved.

And I dont think snickers bars are the answer.
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Yea i kno they can both be achieved.

Snickers arent the answer to everything I was just saying if your bulking than do it. Dont walk pass a vending machine without getting something. Never really miss oppurtunites to eat is what im saying. Even if its not super hydrolyzed whey or great chicken salad. It may be a brownie and ice cream but still eat it.
 
Snickers isn't half a bad idea, can stimulate appetite receptors I believe.

Therefore, Snickers shall be a bulking staple. In my diet...
 
Listen, buy the EAT THIS NOT THAT Book, anyway, Listen, You should still stick to whole foods, and good protein powders and gainers. Yes, eat plenty of food, but good food. Watch the additives, and trans fats. High fructose corn syrup and processed foods. etc. You want to be healthy, and keep your body running strong. Lots of beef, chicken, fish, pasta bread, peanut butter, rice, veggies, fruit, etc. whey, casein, ice cream, milk. Its a process. However, when you diet down, its not easy if you cheat so much because it makes it harder to eat clean and your body has to detox from all the crap you fed it. Think about it.
 
Pleonastic said:
Yea i kno they can both be achieved.

Snickers arent the answer to everything I was just saying if your bulking than do it. Dont walk pass a vending machine without getting something. Never really miss oppurtunites to eat is what im saying. Even if its not super hydrolyzed whey or great chicken salad. It may be a brownie and ice cream but still eat it.
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Don't walk past a vending machine without getting something??? What kind of bulking are you doing? Do vending machines all of a sudden carry chicken and sweet potatoes???
 
LOL, Yeah thats crazy right. I avoid vending machines. I am so hungry rightnow. I have duty on my ship and its about dinner time. I left my two meals for between meals in the galley on the counter at home today, and I cant leave the ship to get them. So, its send someone to subway time. Stay hungry my friends
 
Kraker said:
Don't walk past a vending machine without getting something??? What kind of bulking are you doing? Do vending machines all of a sudden carry chicken and sweet potatoes???
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No but they do carry candy bars, nuts, chips etc. If you need calories eat if not dont. I know my post was a little strange but yea just saying theres not always the perfect meal around. And for me when there is not I will still eat if bulking. Some people will not, I think they should.
 
I was in those shoes during my ships last deployment and I would run out of protein powder before mail would come again, and I would be up at 0130 am to stand watch starving. I would make a pack or 2 of instant grits, w/butter and sugar and eat it. I would eat what I could find. However, I gained unwanted bodyfat, and have been working it off since my return. It was frustrating, but I understand the desperation.
 
Yea man don't bash Pleonastic!
I was "Bulking" Since I started working out- not until I gave up on eating clean did I actually gain a good amount of weight!
I think he's going by the principle that NOTHING is off limits: So long as your getting the calories to gain weight!
It's the right bulking mentality! Yes, I've gained fat, and I am still a smaller guy- but I've gained 1" on almost every muscle measurement in the past 5 months just eating anything- NEVER let yourself be hungry!
I'll cut eventually, but not til I'm in the 200lbs range..
 
I did have 2 bacon dbl cheeseburgers lastnight lol I'm on cycle and for some reason I was just not getting full yesterday.... hmmm
 
It's not so hard to bulk eating healthy foods. It just may not be as tasty as a snickers... ;)

Fats are full of calories- try taking an extra virgin olive oil shot or two. 1oz of EVOO has 237 calories. Want something a little more tasty? Go for coconut oil, avocado, nuts. It's not that hard to get healthy calories in. Just find nature's healthy calorie dense foods.
 
Babywifey, that is some sound advice. It isnt that hard to say add some natty peanut butter to a smoothie, or some olive oil, or flax oil, or coconut. etc. I eat a lot of beef, but lower fat. Almonds, pecans, and such. I just dont want to get fat anymore.
 
I would also take full advantage of the anabolic window post training. I used to use AFTER MAX by ON, and shower. Then I would eat till I was FULL, and just lay on the couch after that. Jay Cutler has said the same thing. Your body can really absorb the calories since you just got done training.
 
Biggest guy at my gym told me he eats chocolate every night, he's not fat either.
I just don't like chocolate. Nothing wrong with it though.
 
CCV3 said:
Biggest guy at my gym told me he eats chocolate every night, he's not fat either.
I just don't like chocolate. Nothing wrong with it though.
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Cooky32 said:
I eat some dark chocolate here and there. ITS good for you. Antioxidants.
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Most people would love to believe that all of chocolate is good for you. The cocoa powder is the only part that could truly be considered healthy. The fat and particularly the sugar are hardly beneficial. Even the cocoa is not as great quality as it could be. Often times it is alkalized cocoa powder that is added to chocolate because it has a smoother taste. Unfortunately alkalizing cocoa powder does take some of the antioxidants out of it.

If you are eating chocolate for it's "benefits", I'd suggest making yourself a cup of homemade hot cocoa instead. All it takes is milk, stevia and powdered cocoa. You can get your chocolate fix without the unnecessary, unhealthy sugar.
 
OK, But I am eating 85% organic dark chocolate. I eat one square each day, when I do. How is that?
 
Quantity over Quality??? HMMMM, that is an interesting point that you bring up. I am completely against this. I am completely against shoveling in candy bars or eating potato chips because you want calories. Might possibly be the most ignorant statement of the year so far. If I am a machine, and I grow off nutrients wouldn't I want the BEST nutrients, If I eat 25 snickers bars in one day because i was stuck somewhere and all they had was snickers there is not going to be ANY benefits from that BUT -- If I eat 2 smalls meals of chicken and possibly a potato, I am going to eat less calories, but I gaurantee you I will see better results..........
 
wow you couldnt pay me to eat a snickers bar. i understand some questionable foods like macNcheese, burgers. why would you wanna stuff yourself with HFCS, hydrogenated oils, etc???? if you honestly dont have the dedication to eat a full diet of whole foods with a suprlus of 500-1000 cal then dont bother. this isnt a battle against your body, showing it whos the boss by over eating $hit.

another thing, why not gain lean weight? Ive increased my cals in the past 3 weeks and Im 5 pounds heavier, on the scale and in the mirror. no added bodyfat, still 6pack abs.
I think its an idiots approach to junk up vending machine style and then have to cut fat. why not take your time and slowly gain lean mass?

"eat your desserts" LOL so we should eat a good quality meal followed by essential supps (fishoil, vitamins, minerals) just so we can top it off with a big a$$ piece of cake?? fat kid's guide to fitness
 
The power lifters bulk; 1lb morning bacon, chocolate bars sporadically throughout the day and the nearest kid walking down the street if there are no chocolate bars around.

I'm an unwilling bulker, my problem is trying to remain lean, I hate it.
 
VolcomX311 said:
The power lifters bulk; 1lb morning bacon, chocolate bars sporadically throughout the day and the nearest kid walking down the street if there are no chocolate bars around.

I'm an unwilling bulker, my problem is trying to remain lean, I hate it.
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the avatar pic is pretty lean bro! you woldnt be looking like that after pounds of morning bacon lol
 
Cooky32 said:
OK, But I am eating 85% organic dark chocolate. I eat one square each day, when I do. How is that?
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It's definitely better than a Hershey's bar. I'd be fine eating it every once in a while, still don't think it is the best source of nutrition and there are better choices, but it's ultimately up to you.
 
The bulk is impatient to me. I have learned that besides the post workout meal, and pre workout meal, there is no reason to be a glutton. In addition, there is no excuse for eating junk. Are you trying to build muscle or a gut??? Be careful. I had my post workout shake, and then went to eat @ Natural style chicken in San diego. Natural wood fire rotisserie chicken boneless, skinless, with rice, and small green salad. I did have teryaki sauce, but not much, and a TBSP of ranch dressing. You have to have the mindset, and determination to be a bodybuilder. Its 24/7
 
wow, i dont think most of you know how to bulk, im looking through at most of you who are raggin" on this guy for saying eat snickers and what not and most of you are a measily buck 90. id say spend less time on the comp and go eat some more. you can rag on me for saying that all you want but you can argue my stats im a solid 250 at 5 foot 9 and im only 21. and guess what, i just ate a snickers....

if your trying to bulk up dont be affriad of "bad food" dont make it staples in your diet but if its an off day got eat a whole pizza and stop b****ing about it. if your eating a steak throw some sauce on it. if your drinking a shake through some oil in it. if you need to sauce something up to make it tast better than sauce it up. look at ronnie or jay, or branch or dorian during there offseasons. do any of you think they got that high of a bodyfat by eating as clean as you all are suggesting. i think not.
 
I am not a buck 90. I am 6-1 235 and not fat. I am not preaching perfection. I am in the navy and when we deploy, I cannot bring all kinds of food. I eat what they cook. I just substitute shakes when needed. This is not to criticize him, but critique his diet to aid him in adding LBM. I am nearly 35 years old, and am a fitness leader on board a navy ship. I Help a lot of people do the same thing, and the same for losing weight.
 
yeah but you just said you 6 foot 1. youre tall. you could try to argue youre average height but youre not. your tall, so when youre taller you weigh more. not saying you didnt work for you 235 lbs frame, just saying its harder for a smaller man to weigh they same.

but besides that, You say you guys arent criticizing him, then i dont think telling him "april fools...?" and other guys saying "you cant give bulking advice at 180ish", and saying "ill see better results than you if i dont eat snickers" is very helpful.

you also say your all trying to help him at LBM. hes talking about a bulk. Of course adding LBM is ideal but bulking and cutting are two different phases. Ill watch someone try to get bigger while trying to keep there bf low as possible and ill blow past them keeping mine around 15% and then cutting down. Plus our muslce grow from carrying that extra weight on your frame, your body expands. im closing in on 21 inch claves from carrying my new frame around and guess what? im not fat either.

you also say your a fitness instructor, at every gym i have EVER been to, atleast 2 gym instructers from each have asked me what my diet is and what my routine is for being my size at my age.

your 235 at 35 6 foot 1
Im 250 at 21 at 5 foot 9

check with me soon and ill be 280. i may be young but this is my life. ive been working with retired bodybuilders since i was 16.
 
I am not bashing you. I just dont want you bashing me. I am not huge, but I will be getting bigger this year. I had already started dieting down for a show this year, but my navy schedule would not permit it yet. I am back to gaining for now, but my schedule is very demanding. I am at sea a lot, and I may only get 3 meals in, and 3 shakes. Its not exactly a calorie surplus. I am holding some mass though, and not fat. You are doing great. I wish i was 21 again. I would be huge. Good luck
 
i am not bashing you, i was defending the one who started this post. im not saying his title was the best or appropriate even, but his message was sound. eating clean during a bulk is OK, but i dont advocate it at all and much better gaines can be made if the doors are opened up. like i said earlier, the pros didnt get that big from eating chicken breast and sweet potatoes. they ate crap aswell. alot of it is on film. of course they dont say so in the magazines but half that stuff is b.s. watch the documentary "bigger stronger faster". it shows how those before and after pics are done in one day and how most supps arent even supps, there just "proprietary blend". jay cutler even admits to steroids on film. but thats no secret. my point is eating pizza burgers and whatever should not be avoided but embraced. if you feel differently thats fine. you have your reasons and i have mine. thanks for the "good luck" i also wish you good luck aswell in your show.
 
Bro, I ate 2 doughnuts today. Its all good. I just eat good most of the time until the diet starts. We are clear now. I saw the movie Bigger stronger faster twice. Its great. It really opens up your eyes on things. I want to be bigger and have less fat. I hate that they are getting rid of what I could use to gain muscle. I want back the stuff they banned in 2004, and the stuff that just went too. It blows.
 
Cooky32 said:
Bro, I ate 2 doughnuts today. Its all good. I just eat good most of the time until the diet starts. We are clear now. I saw the movie Bigger stronger faster twice. Its great. It really opens up your eyes on things. I want to be bigger and have less fat. I hate that they are getting rid of what I could use to gain muscle. I want back the stuff they banned in 2004, and the stuff that just went too. It blows.
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truer words have never been spoken. I am so pissed about what they just did. its really not cool. so many good products gone.....forever
 
do you know if micordol was banned aswell from bradley asgard? ive been wanting to try some and hope its still around
 
Yea my title could have been different but atleast someone agrees on the message. thanks for the support and keep up the eating.
 
Ricky5145 said:
yeah but you just said you 6 foot 1. youre tall. you could try to argue youre average height but youre not. your tall, so when youre taller you weigh more. not saying you didnt work for you 235 lbs frame, just saying its harder for a smaller man to weigh they same.

but besides that, You say you guys arent criticizing him, then i dont think telling him "april fools...?" and other guys saying "you cant give bulking advice at 180ish", and saying "ill see better results than you if i dont eat snickers" is very helpful.

you also say your all trying to help him at LBM. hes talking about a bulk. Of course adding LBM is ideal but bulking and cutting are two different phases. Ill watch someone try to get bigger while trying to keep there bf low as possible and ill blow past them keeping mine around 15% and then cutting down. Plus our muslce grow from carrying that extra weight on your frame, your body expands. im closing in on 21 inch claves from carrying my new frame around and guess what? im not fat either.

you also say your a fitness instructor, at every gym i have EVER been to, atleast 2 gym instructers from each have asked me what my diet is and what my routine is for being my size at my age.

your 235 at 35 6 foot 1
Im 250 at 21 at 5 foot 9

check with me soon and ill be 280. i may be young but this is my life. ive been working with retired bodybuilders since i was 16.
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Just to add some information for ya, as a wellness professional I feel I have to step in and say something here. There are two sides to this story. The first side would be for people who want to put on weight, regardless of health, (gaining fat, clogging arteries, eating toxic processed "food", and just simply being "unhealthy") In that case - eat all you want and I agree snickers, chips, anything if all you care about is packing on the pounds wether it be fat or muscle than eat eat eat. I agree.....

The second side would be the opinion of somebody like me, saying that is the wrong way to go. Don't sacrifice your health because you want to gain weight fast. You can still pack on muscle eating clean. The more "real" the food the better quality, the more benefits you will get. therefore the less you will have to eat in order to get that nutrients. Your body needs nutrients to grow and work properly. If you are pounding mcdonalds cheeseburgers and eating snickers all day, your immune system will then try to fight off all of those toxins, thus making it harder to grow because you are wasting energy fighting off that "crap" you are putting into your body. Think of your body as a fine tuned automobile -- The better the fuel, the better efficiency -- same principal with your body and food. Sometimes less is really more... you get the point.


Congrats on being a 5-9" 250lber at 21 years of age... good luck getting chicks lol... j/k.... sounds like you are truely dedicated to bodybuilding and thats awesome, just don't sacrifice your health is all im tryin to say
 
Tone said:
Just to add some information for ya, as a wellness professional I feel I have to step in and say something here. There are two sides to this story. The first side would be for people who want to put on weight, regardless of health, (gaining fat, clogging arteries, eating toxic processed "food", and just simply being "unhealthy") In that case - eat all you want and I agree snickers, chips, anything if all you care about is packing on the pounds wether it be fat or muscle than eat eat eat. I agree.....

The second side would be the opinion of somebody like me, saying that is the wrong way to go. Don't sacrifice your health because you want to gain weight fast. You can still pack on muscle eating clean. The more "real" the food the better quality, the more benefits you will get. therefore the less you will have to eat in order to get that nutrients. Your body needs nutrients to grow and work properly. If you are pounding mcdonalds cheeseburgers and eating snickers all day, your immune system will then try to fight off all of those toxins, thus making it harder to grow because you are wasting energy fighting off that "crap" you are putting into your body. Think of your body as a fine tuned automobile -- The better the fuel, the better efficiency -- same principal with your body and food. Sometimes less is really more... you get the point.


Congrats on being a 5-9" 250lber at 21 years of age... good luck getting chicks lol... j/k.... sounds like you are truely dedicated to bodybuilding and thats awesome, just don't sacrifice your health is all im tryin to say
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wow... you sound like my roomate, also a wellness professional but then again he knows nothing about bodybuilding or really anything but thats no suprise to me. second, i never once said pounding "crap" is ideal so your mistaken. I said adding in things like pizza or a burger and a snickers for a snack if your hungry is fine. and guess what it is. who said bodybuilding is a healthy sport anyway. if you think it is your also mistaken. however, despite if i eat a burger or two on my offday by no means suggests im throwing away my health or whatever you were mumbling about.

Plus if you think you get all of what you body needs from whole foods then you are mistaken yet again. Did you know that an apple from your grocery store has 6 times less nutrients than that of an organic one from a farmers market? if you have enough money to buy/kill and process everything that goes into your body so you can be "clean" and "healthy" than go for it. you wont be that big but itll feed you. even buying beef, milk, rice, fruit, and veggies from the grocery store isnt as healthy as your advocating.


and finally, if your gonna step in to save the day becasue your a "wellness professional" then know what your talking about and dont try and rag on somebody ("have fun getting chicks") becasue your just gonna get ragged on back.
 
Ricky5145 said:
wow... you sound like my roomate, also a wellness professional but then again he knows nothing about bodybuilding or really anything but thats no suprise to me. second, i never once said pounding "crap" is ideal so your mistaken. I said adding in things like pizza or a burger and a snickers for a snack if your hungry is fine. and guess what it is. who said bodybuilding is a healthy sport anyway. if you think it is your also mistaken. however, despite if i eat a burger or two on my offday by no means suggests im throwing away my health or whatever you were mumbling about.

Plus if you think you get all of what you body needs from whole foods then you are mistaken yet again. Did you know that an apple from your grocery store has 6 times less nutrients than that of an organic one from a farmers market? if you have enough money to buy/kill and process everything that goes into your body so you can be "clean" and "healthy" than go for it. you wont be that big but itll feed you. even buying beef, milk, rice, fruit, and veggies from the grocery store isnt as healthy as your advocating.


and finally, if your gonna step in to save the day becasue your a "wellness professional" then know what your talking about and dont try and rag on somebody ("have fun getting chicks") becasue your just gonna get ragged on back.
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I said if you don't care about your health than I agree to eating whatever you like. Yes I understand about grocery store food, I get all of my fruits vegetables and meat from organic sources. I am not against eating burgers, I love cheeseburgers and pizza, and a snickers from time to time... what I am am against is the statment "quanity over quality" because like i mentioned before, sometimes less is more..... for example if you are eating quality foods, you won't need nearly as much as if you are eating junk. Im not ragging on you, im not ragging on anybody.. I am putting my opinion out there, and you and everybody else can do with it what you want. Oh yeah, and I am here to save the day... didn't you know they call me superman... lol
 
Tone said:
I said if you don't care about your health than I agree to eating whatever you like. Yes I understand about grocery store food, I get all of my fruits vegetables and meat from organic sources. I am not against eating burgers, I love cheeseburgers and pizza, and a snickers from time to time... what I am am against is the statment "quanity over quality" because like i mentioned before, sometimes less is more..... for example if you are eating quality foods, you won't need nearly as much as if you are eating junk. Im not ragging on you, im not ragging on anybody.. I am putting my opinion out there, and you and everybody else can do with it what you want. Oh yeah, and I am here to save the day... didn't you know they call me superman... lol
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i hear you, and i agree about the title of this post, it should be quantity of quality, with some extra crap if you want. im an advocate for eating quality foods aswell but wont limimt myself to that, i wont touch a crap or cheat foods unless ive had ALL my whole meals of the day i had planned. but if i met all my qulity foods and im still hungry, down goes a cheesburger or pizza. i just felt like you were saying no burgers or whatever anytime, but now that were clear it seems like were on the same page or close to it.
 
i think the point is a lot of us dont necceassarily wanna be carrying snickers with us or bad weight rather... and i guarantee u that big guy at the gym did not get big off chocolate. I mean come on
 
Of course not, but the good meals are there. They always are, but what he and I are saying is even Jay Cutler goes to IN n OUT. I go to Chipotle, and eat burgers or pizza here and there. Its just in moderation. I work hard in the gym, and dieting sucks. Who in their right mind would disagree. Its balance, and it keeps you sane.
 
Cooky32 said:
Of course not, but the good meals are there. They always are, but what he and I are saying is even Jay Cutler goes to IN n OUT. I go to Chipotle, and eat burgers or pizza here and there. Its just in moderation. I work hard in the gym, and dieting sucks. Who in their right mind would disagree. Its balance, and it keeps you sane.
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exaclty exaclty exactly.....nuff said .
 
Cooky32 said:
Of course not, but the good meals are there. They always are, but what he and I are saying is even Jay Cutler goes to IN n OUT. I go to Chipotle, and eat burgers or pizza here and there. Its just in moderation. I work hard in the gym, and dieting sucks. Who in their right mind would disagree. Its balance, and it keeps you sane.
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I agree!
 
Tone said:
Might possibly be the most ignorant statement of the year so far.
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Nothing ignorant about it; he's right.

People have been conditioned to believe that "junk foods" automatically correlate to poor health. It's not true.

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