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1ST CYCLE HELP

mjm69

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Hey guys need help with 1st cycle been working out for 2 years now and basically need to no what would be the best stacks for me and how to cycle it... I am only interested in oral drugs..im looking to gain alot of weight and fast... if some1 could suggest a cycle including everything liver block as well that would be so great..

Height : 6ft6
Weight : 193lbs
Age : 21
Bodyfat:9%

Diet is strict and good :)
 
#1...dont cheapskate your cycle, you should buy everything your body needs to stay healthy and you'll need TONS OF FOOD. The #1 way to put on mass on cycle is to EAT LIKE CRAZY!

#2...Lets start with staples and support supplements. These supplements should be run during cycle AND pct, unless otherwise stated. Heres the basics I normally stick to:
-multivitamin
-omega 3 oil (fish or flax oil)
-whey protein
-Liver Feul
-CEL cycle assist (start taking 10 days before first PH dose)
-taurine (only on cycle if lower back pain occurs)
-BCAA supplement for post workout
-TONS OF FOOD!

#3...Now, for your cycle. As a first cycle, I'd run one of the milder products solo. H-drol is a methyl, but it is a good starter and doesnt present much sides.

#4...PCT wise: if you are prone to gyno, I'd look into a SERM. If not, then an Over the counter PCT will work well with H-drol. A good over the counter PCT would consist of:
-inhibit e
-testojack 100
-anabolic innovations stoked

These are some basic outlines, I can help you out some more if you need. Hope i gave you an idea of what to consider.
 
im newbie could u plz right out all the names of the products i should be taking ... like which u would recomend eg liver fuel ?? never used this b4... an wots PCT never heard this term ?? my diet is pretty good i take alot of the stuff already but a few... then can u suggest a dosage for the cycle / wot i should be taking with them... n wot i should do for post cycle
 
mjm69 said:
im newbie could u plz right out all the names of the products i should be taking ... like which u would recomend eg liver fuel ?? never used this b4... an wots PCT never heard this term ?? my diet is pretty good i take alot of the stuff already but a few... then can u suggest a dosage for the cycle / wot i should be taking with them... n wot i should do for post cycle
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Dude I HIGHLY recommend you do some research on this stuff before you ask about running a cycle of it. This is serious stuff and I don't mean to make this too mean or harsh in any way but bro it doesn't even sound like you know what natural supplements are good for you. Are you a newb to weightlifting?

Edit: Also, what is your age?
 
hey bro - i know the idea of getting through a plateau to the next stage with a pill is a very attractive idea. But before you can move forward you need to do tons of research. You are considering taking something that can f*ck up your endocrine system for life, permanently shutdown your natural test production, give you prostate, liver, kidney cancer, raise your blood pressure, or flat out kill you (EDIT: all give you gyno!). There are alot of posts out there of first time cycles. Use the search feature to read all these so you know what is out there. Here is some info to get you started:

PCT=post cycle therapy - when you take any hormonal supplement your body shuts down its natural production. Post cycle therapy is the dosing of supplements to reboot your body's natural test production.

AAS = anabolic steroids - in most cases this is the term used to describe the blackmarket steroids people get.

PH = prohormone - in most cases this is the term used to describe the legal oral steroids you can get.

HPTA = hyper pituitary testicular axis - the section of the endocrine system responsible for the body's natural test production.

DS = designer steroid - usually an oral that may or may not be legal.

SERM = selective estrogen-receptor modulator - an estrogen receptor antagonist. An antogoist binds to a receptor site but does not activate the receptor. Thus, SERMs will bind to estrogen-receptors and leaving body's estrogen no place to bind rendering it non-effective. SERMs are taken during PCT to block the excess estrogen in the body.

AI = aromtase inhibitor - the testosterone in your body is aromatized to estrogen. Aromatase inhibitors prevent this from happening.

nolva = nolvadex (aka tamoxifen) - a common SERM

clomid - another common SERM

arimidex - a common AI

anything else just ask - happy researching and good luck
 
okay here goes.

I RECOMMEND YOU DO SOME RESEARCH!!!! DONT HEATH THIS ADVICE WITHOUT FULLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOUR BODY WILL GO THROUGH WHILE ON A CYCLE.

But, since i'm nice, i'll map out a cycle for when you think you are ready.

as for recommended supps:
Twinlab liver d-tox feul
Any brand powdered Taurine (more effective then capsules)
Scivation Xtend (BCAA's)
**The rest of the ones I listed in the first post are basic, and you can get whichever brand you prefer (eg any whey protein you like).

For dosing the H-drol I'd do somethingl like this

Cycle H-drol
Week
1...25mg AM
2-3...50mg (25mg AM and 25mg PM)
4...75 mg H-drol (50mg AM and 25mg PM)

Make sure you are also taking the support supps that i listed in earlier post while on cycle.

Post Cycle
Week
1-4 Anabolic Innovations Stoked (2 caps 2X a day) Dosed (am and pm)
1-4 SNS Inhibit-E 75/50/50/25mg Dosed (25mg at 6am and 50/25/25/0mg at 4pm)
3-6 SNS Reduce XT (1 cap 3X a day) Dosed (with meals)

Also, take the support supps during Post cycle. PCT means "post cycle therapy"
 
Yeh i wont be doing it for a while yet i just didnt know anything about what prodcuts to get termanology i was hearing on forums and **** but now i know some products i can research them see what they do.. thankyou for your help i will probably bug u again =[ with more questions..sorry u jus seem nice alot of people have jus criticised when im simply new to this..
 
mjm69 said:
Yeh i wont be doing it for a while yet i just didnt know anything about what prodcuts to get termanology i was hearing on forums and **** but now i know some products i can research them see what they do.. thankyou for your help i will probably bug u again =[ with more questions..sorry u jus seem nice alot of people have jus criticised when im simply new to this..
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Dude could you please give some stats? (i.e. height, weight, age, years seriously lifting, bodyfat %, etc.)
 
Oh sorry thought i did must have been on another forum
Height 6ft5
Weight 190
bodyfat %11

training since i was 17.. last 2 years serious .. diet is very strict same meals every day 5 meals umm and feel like im stuck.. at this weight .. i dont vary as i do a fair bit of cardio and find it hard
 
why do you give 2 different sets of stats

6'6 193 9%
6'5 190 11%
?
Just looks like you're throwing numbers out there

Either way I don't see why you want to cycle when you are clearly far below your genetic potential. If you train naturally and ear properly for a while you should be able to get past 220 pounds in no time and 240+ if you really work for it.
 
1 i dont tlk in feet and inches or pounds .. n %9 was a guess then i actually got it done n it was 11% n en i converted cm in to feet i was like 6ft 5.89inches so yeh...im not ju throwing numbers... n i cant jus put on weight like the believe me ive tried.. I d cardio like 5-6 times a week.. basketball training
 
if you can't gain weight you need to eat more food, it's pretty simple

how many calories are you getting everyday? Protein, carbs fats?
 
mjm69 said:
1 i dont tlk in feet and inches or pounds .. n %9 was a guess then i actually got it done n it was 11% n en i converted cm in to feet i was like 6ft 5.89inches so yeh...im not ju throwing numbers... n i cant jus put on weight like the believe me ive tried.. I d cardio like 5-6 times a week.. basketball training
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Also if you are trying to gain then cardio 5-6 times a week with basketball training might not be the right avenue. I know some of these guys giving advice come off harsh but everyone is trying to help.

6'5" is a nice frame I wish I had. I'm 5'9" and I just passed 190lbs. At 6'5" you could definitely be an animal. Obviously most people on this forum aren't in the mindset that supplements or "chemical assistance" is a bad thing. However, you can take all the juice in the world, without proper training and diet it won't get you anywhere.

You should be eating 4000 calories +, 350g protein, and lifting like its your job. Don't get discouraged by people telling you what they think without sugar coating it. Keep asking questions until you are on the right path.
 
Yeah, i am not trying to discourage you, but seriously you have a huge frame and I know that you can fill it out further naturally and quickly if you alter diet (probably just by eating more as your BF isn't a problem).

You just need to have confidence in yourself, and patience. I really think the further someone goes naturally, the further they will be able to go with steroids, because they'll know that much more about their body.

Like right now I think you are missing the lesson concerning how many total calories you eat, in which case the gains imparted by steroids could be pretty temporary, bottom line is whether you cycle or not you're going to need more calories.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Yeah, i am not trying to discourage you, but seriously you have a huge frame and I know that you can fill it out further naturally and quickly if you alter diet (probably just by eating more as your BF isn't a problem).

You just need to have confidence in yourself, and patience. I really think the further someone goes naturally, the further they will be able to go with steroids, because they'll know that much more about their body.

Like right now I think you are missing the lesson concerning how many total calories you eat, in which case the gains imparted by steroids could be pretty temporary, bottom line is whether you cycle or not you're going to need more calories.
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x2 here ^ with Unreal and CrazyC. You should be taking in AT LEAST 4000cals IMO and doing that much cardio while trying to gain weight probably isn't going to cut it man. Just back off the cardio a bit and get your diet in check and you will be golden (if you have a good lifting routine of course).
 
UnrealMachine said:
Yeah, i am not trying to discourage you, but seriously you have a huge frame and I know that you can fill it out further naturally and quickly if you alter diet (probably just by eating more as your BF isn't a problem).
You just need to have confidence in yourself, and patience. I really think the further someone goes naturally, the further they will be able to go with steroids, because they'll know that much more about their body.
Like right now I think you are missing the lesson concerning how many total calories you eat, in which case the gains imparted by steroids could be pretty temporary, bottom line is whether you cycle or not you're going to need more calories.
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listen to this guy, he knows his stuff. try adding 2 cytogainer shakes a day to your diet, one in the morning when you first wake up, one at about 4pm or so and then get a 50g cassein shake and slam that right before going to bed. that will add about 1700 calories to your daily intake and 150 grams of protein. Use this with some ZMAs and Diesel Test Hardcore and take a ton of omegas and I bet you'll be VERY surprised how well that works. Some of the natural test boosters are very effective too. there are many logs on here that prove this and guys are putting on 5-10lbs+ easily with these with zero sides or risks.

My thoughts are that I started at the same age as you, which was now quite a while ago, hahaha. If i could do it again I would have tried what I outlined above for at least a year while I read and I would have avoided some of the damage I did to my body as a newbie that also resulted in basically zero gains. If you don't have the rest of your plan like diet and training nearly perfect any gains you make on hdrol or other AAS will just go away once you stop taking them, which is hard on your body and has zero results. No need to use them till you have everything else really dialed.

thats great you found this board though, I would have done SOOO much better had this been around when I started.

Read around a few times a week on this board and If you have any questions just let me know bro.
 
Im going to run Novedex XT for 8 weeks I heard that its a really good product and people have noticed good results im already taking casien befor bed and a wait gainer after work out..
 
mjm69 said:
Im going to run Novedex XT for 8 weeks I heard that its a really good product and people have noticed good results im already taking casien befor bed and a wait gainer after work out..
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Could you post up your diet and worktout bro so we can help you out. And I think it is a GREAT choice to go with a natty test booster bro! Also, I would look in to Anabolic Innovations's SWOLE Stack. It looks really promising.
 
BREASKFAST - 4 eggs whole and 4 egg whites. 2-4 slices multigrain bread/ 1 cup oatmeal.

T R A I N Weights- - - - - - - - - - - - -

Protien weight gainer

LUNCH - (3 hours later) 227grams-283grams chicken breast with 1 cup brown rice.

T RA I N Basketball- - - - - - - - - - - - -

AFTERNOON - 2 cans tuna and 4 slices multigrain bread.

DINNER - 340grams - 453grams chicken breast or steak with greens / salad

RIGHT BEFOR BED - Casien Protein Shake - 25-50 grams flax seed oil.

Fruit as snacks throughtout the day

Every day same diet
 
Anabolic Innovations's SWOLE Stack does look good an good price ... when would u suggest runnng this ?? remember i got novedex xt and plasmajet which should arrive 2day... take these first then look at getting Anabolic Innovations's SWOLE Stack??? or what ?
 
mjm69 said:
Anabolic Innovations's SWOLE Stack does look good an good price ... when would u suggest runnng this ?? remember i got novedex xt and plasmajet which should arrive 2day... take these first then look at getting Anabolic Innovations's SWOLE Stack??? or what ?
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Yeah just run what you have now and take about 4 weeks off and then go for the swole stack. OR you could save what you have, order the swole stack while it is at reduced price, and save the n xt and plasma for later. Your call man.
 
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