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Natural Anxiety/Depression Supplement

1-carboxy increases dopamine better than anything on the supplement market.

jacob, i was researching l-dopa and came upon a parkinson's disease forum. it seems that medicare has a set limit on how much those poor people can spend a year on meds. many of them have resorted to using macuna puriens to reduce the amount of meds they use each day. apparently the sources they are using are not reliable and they complain about occasionally getting bad batches. it would be some great pr for you to donate some 1 carboxy to these unfortunate people who are in real need. i don't know if it would be a tax write off-but it sure would be a real decent thing to do. i would be willing to throw in some of my own cash if that would help.
 
where the hell did you get that from? doc wanted to put my wife on lexapro so i researched it. found a forum of users and former users of lexapro, almost everyone of them were biitching about the weight gain that they couldn't loose even when stopping lexapro. my wife was just going through seasonal mild depression, glad i nixed the lexapro. do not believe for a minute that lexapro does not cause unwanted weight gain. research it for yourself.

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this guy is right, lexapro only causes weight gain, if IF and i say again IF you start to get apathetic from it, which will cause loss of motivation for maintaining a good diet and cardio/bodybuilding plan...but if you exercise alot you should be fine,,,i only gained weight when i got lazy which antidepressants cause of course.

im on Lexapro 10mg, Elavil 100mg, Abilify 8mg, and Valium 20mg.

im BiPolaR 2 and i know my drugs very well lol
 
this guy is right, lexapro only causes weight gain, if IF and i say again IF you start to get apathetic from it, which will cause loss of motivation for maintaining a good diet and cardio/bodybuilding plan...but if you exercise alot you should be fine,,,i only gained weight when i got lazy which antidepressants cause of course.

im on Lexapro 10mg, Elavil 100mg, Abilify 8mg, and Valium 20mg.

im BiPolaR 2 and i know my drugs very well lol

They cause you to get lazy????

Wow, I am in a MAJOR rut and can't get myself to do anything AT ALL (haven't worked in 16 months ect). I need major stims and some gaba related recreational substances to just get up and do anything at all. What other solutions would help?
 
where the hell did you get that from? doc wanted to put my wife on lexapro so i researched it. found a forum of users and former users of lexapro, almost everyone of them were biitching about the weight gain that they couldn't loose even when stopping lexapro. my wife was just going through seasonal mild depression, glad i nixed the lexapro. do not believe for a minute that lexapro does not cause unwanted weight gain. research it for yourself.

If its seasonal depression look into vit D. A lot of people over look this.
 
Vitamin D seems to helps quite a bit if you keep the dosage up over long periods of time... especially if your lifestyle doesn't allow for much UV exposure. I've been taking 200mg of 5-htp every morning for a few days now and its been keeping my serious anxiety/depression problems at bay so far... 100mg didn't seem to affect me very much though.

I'm hoping that the 5-htp remains as helpful as its been so far... I don't want to become dependant on 5-htp as my source of serotonin production. Anyone have any experiences with daily doses of 5-htp? Does your body eventually stop responding the same way?

In the past I had some bad experiences with prescribed anxiety/depression meds and it kind of scared me away from taking all the damn SSRIs, MAOIs, TACs, and Benzos that shrinks want to put me on.
 
I'm hoping that the 5-htp remains as helpful as its been so far... I don't want to become dependant on 5-htp as my source of serotonin production. Anyone have any experiences with daily doses of 5-htp? Does your body eventually stop responding the same way?

Unfortunately I believe it does but it's all about balance. I think you can become overly sedated and then in turn this will make u depressed. The key is to use it when you need to get out of a "rut" and once you feel yourself bouncing back stop using it. I would use 5-htp as a "only as needed" supplement.

I've gone through many cycles of 5-htp. 100mg 3x a day usually. After a few weeks my depression is usually gone and then I stop taking it till next time. The problem I ran into was I started using it for many things. I started taking it for sleep at higher dosages and then for anxiety at times which led me to taking it too much. It's effects have diminished a lot lately but I feel overly sedated lately. I have no drive, motivation and energy. With combination of other things I'm wondering if I slowed myself down too much. I did some research and think that tyrosine may be able to counter-balance this effect. Did my first dosage today and see if after a few days I can turn this back around.
 
It is for sure a chemical imbalance in the brain brother. Real GAD/PAD/Depression is not a result of emotions. It's a physical ailment in the brain. When you have it, emotions can trigger an attack, but they are not the cause.

This is so true and its a shame that people who have never dealt with depression haven't realized this. I've had friends ask me why I take anti-depressants and why i'm depressed, as if i choose to be. Real depression is something you can't control, you can only manage it at best because its a battle with brain chemistry.

I have no drive, motivation and energy. With combination of other things I'm wondering if I slowed myself down too much. I did some research and think that tyrosine may be able to counter-balance this effect. Did my first dosage today and see if after a few days I can turn this back around.

Hopefully it turns around in a few days but be prepared for it to take longer. Long term manipulation of neurochemistry is something that can takes weeks to recover from, and 5-htp is definitely not something that should be used chronically. Along with tyrosine consider tryptophan and vit-b6 as well
 
Hopefully it turns around in a few days but be prepared for it to take longer. Long term manipulation of neurochemistry is something that can takes weeks to recover from, and 5-htp is definitely not something that should be used chronically. Along with tyrosine consider tryptophan and vit-b6 as well

Yeah, I'm not expecting a miracle in a few days.. just some signs of hope. In past experiences with tyrosine it works pretty rapidly. I used to use it before workouts and it worked great. I'm going to stick with 1,000mg 2x a day for awhile and see what happens. I'm dropping the 5-htp for awhile. I thought about tryptophan before but like I said I'm over sedated already. That would be pointless and add to my problem. Vitamin b-6 is sooo easy to overdose on. If you take a multi-vitamin you get well over the daily amount of b-6 you need in a day along with b-6 being in lots of foods. B-6 overload could bring a cloud over you. Be careful. I've done that to myself and know many people that have done that too. Don't overdose on the b's. I wouldn't take a B vitamin by itself unless it has been proven that you are deficient. If your body needs b-6 to synthesize a process it will get it unless you are deficient.
 
I'm going to stick with 1,000mg 2x a day for awhile and see what happens. I'm dropping the 5-htp for awhile.

Along with the tyrosine have you considered adding an adaptogen? I'm going through a bottle of NOW Rhodiola at the moment and for my first adaptogen i've been impressed thus far.

Vitamin b-6 is sooo easy to overdose on. If you take a multi-vitamin you get well over the daily amount of b-6 you need in a day along with b-6 being in lots of foods. B-6 overload will bring a cloud over you. Be careful. I've done that to myself and know many people that have done that too. B-100 complexes... stay away from them if you want severe depression. Don't overdose on the b's. I wouldn't take a B vitamin by itself unless it has been proven that you are deficient.

I find it interesting that you don't suggest Vit B supplementation, i take it this is from personal experience? I've never really found B complexes to be a problem, being water soluble the excess is excreted readily. I've read a couple of places specific B vitamins will help with absorption and conversion when taken along with differing compounds.
 
Along with the tyrosine have you considered adding an adaptogen? I'm going through a bottle of NOW Rhodiola at the moment and for my first adaptogen i've been impressed thus far.



I find it interesting that you don't suggest Vit B supplementation, i take it this is from personal experience? I've never really found B complexes to be a problem, being water soluble the excess is excreted readily. I've read a couple of places specific B vitamins will help with absorption and conversion when taken along with differing compounds.

I've had no luck with adaptions. I've tried rhodiola. It was too stimulating for me. B vitamins can help with absorption and lots of books will recommend b-complexes but like you said if excess is being excreted through the urine why waste money on mega dosing? I just believe that a multi-vitamin provides plenty along with diet unless your dr. has told you that you are deficient in a specific vitamin. I tested for b-vitamins twice and I was on the higher level on a multi alone. My b-12 was also on the higher level. Just trying to save some people some money.
 
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look here, your personal results don't speak for everyone. calling me out for bull**** when all i did was tell what i found on a lexapro forum is what is bullshiit. glad it is working well for you, but everyone may not be so lucky.
 
Reset AD for adrenals
Vitamin C 3 grams daily to lower cortisol
Fishoil for mood

I suffer from anxiety+depression and these are GREAAAAAAAAAAAT, I AM on low dose paxil but these supps are very effective.
 
look here, your personal results don't speak for everyone. calling me out for bull**** when all i did was tell what i found on a lexapro forum is what is bullshiit. glad it is working well for you, but everyone may not be so lucky.

It does NOT lower your thyroid output or GH production so therefor it will not MAKE you gain fat. If you can't control your eating or training and chose to get fat from it then you can't blame the drug. People are lazy fat slobs and we both know that.
 
It does NOT lower your thyroid output or GH production so therefor it will not MAKE you gain fat. If you can't control your eating or training and chose to get fat from it then you can't blame the drug. People are lazy fat slobs and we both know that.

you spend a lot of gym time working on your body, and follow a good nutrition plan. judging by your avi, you look in decent shape. who's to say that without the lexapro you might look even better with even less work. maybe it's just an obstacle you have had to work harder to overcome.
 
after my one Test cycle i used SAMe for post cycle depression ..it worked very well for me ..i cannot attest for the others; i havent tried them.
 
Here's an interesting site.

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After getting extensive biochemical data on more than 3,000 persons diagnosed with clinical depression, we found that 95% of them fit neatly into one of 5 separate biochemical classifications. Depression is not a single condition, but an umbrella term covering several completely different conditions. Anyway, we believe we have identified the 5 primary phenotypes..... each with their own classic symptoms and each with completely different treatment needs.

1) High Histamine (under-methylated)

40-70 is optimum histamine range for mental health considerations. Histamine is an important neurotransmitter which affects human behavior. This syndrome often involves seasonal variations in depression, obsessive-compulsive behavior, inhalant allergies, and frequent headaches. In severe cases involving psychosis, the dominant symptom is usually delusional thinking rather than hallucinations. They tend to speak very little and may sit motionless for extended periods. They may appear outwardly calm, but suffer from extreme internal anxiety. Most OCD patients with both obsessive thoughts and compulsive actions are in this category. Associated with under-methylation, which results in low levels of important neurotransmitters such as serotonin, dopamine and norepinephrine. Treatment focuses on the use of antifolates such as calcium, methionine, SAMe, magnesium, zinc, TMG, omega-3 essential oils, B6, inositol, and A, C and E. The dose of inositol is 500 to 1000mg. Choline is anti-dopaminergic and often makes undermethylated patients worse. Also bad are DMAE, copper and folic acid. Three to six months of nutrient therapy are necessary to correct this chemical imbalance. Symptoms will return if treatment is stopped. Two good labs for whole blood histamine are LabCorp and Quest. Also use a special absolute basophil count as a methlyation marker. The count must be direct and not differential. Alcian blue dye is the preferred staining agent. Best lab for this test is Direct Healthcare Access in Glenview IL 847 299 2440

2) Low Histamine (over-methylated)

Low-histamine depressives are usually nervous, anxious individuals who are prone to paranoia and despair. No seasonal allergies, but many food allergies and chemical sensitivity. Low libido. Obsessions but not compulsions. Heavy body hair. Nervous legs. Grandiosity. Many have a history of hyperactivity, learning disabilities and underachievement. They are over-methylated which results in elevated dopamine and norepinephrine levels. Treatment focuses on B3, C, B12 and , with about 2-4 months required for correction of the imbalance.. Also DMAE, choline, manganese, zinc, omega-3 essential oils, C and E. They should avoid methionine, SAMe, inositol, TMG and DMG.

3) Pyroluria

A stress disorder characterized by pronounced mood swings, temper outbursts, anxious depression. Inability to eat breakfast, absence of dream recall and frequent infections. The biochemical signature of this disorder includes elevated urine kryptopyrroles, a double deficiency of zinc and B-6, and low levels of arachidonic acid. Devastated by stresses including physical injury, emotional trauma, illness, sleep deprivation. Sensitivity to light and loud noises, dry skin, abnormal fat distribution, rage episodes, histrionic behavior. They also have low levels of arachidonic acid. Treatment centers on correcting a double deficiency of B-6, zinc essential fatty acids and augmenting nutrients. It is believed to result from abnormal hemoglobin synthesis which depletes the body of these nutrients. A positive response often occurs within the first seven days of treatment, with 1-2 months usually required for correction of the imbalance.

4) High Copper (Hypercupremia)

If your level is above 140 mcg/dL, you would profit from getting rid of the excess copper. The most common depression phenotype for women. History of hyperactivity, tinnitus, and skin sensitivity to metals. Females with this condition usually have significant PMS and are prone to heightened depression during hormonal events such as puberty, gestation, childbirth and menopause. A woman's copper level more than doubles during the 9 months of pregnancy, apparently to enhance angiogenesis in the fetus. Women with an innate tendency for copper overload are prone to post-partum depression or post-partum psychosis. Estrogen increaases creuloplamin and copper levels and results in zinc depletion. Very elevated norepinephrine levels, elevated copper and low ceruloplasmin. Elevated norepinephrine/dopamine ratio. Most get worse after chocolate which is very high in copper. This condition is non-existant in males. Serum copper levels above 140 mcg/dl High NE and ADR levels can result from overmethlyation, probably genetic, elevated serum copper, and low folate/B12 levels. Hypertension is associated with high NE and ADR levels. Using folate/B12 will reduce hypertension and anxiety and depression. They often report a worsening of depression after estrogen or multiple vitamins. Most hypercupremics get worse if they overdose on chocolate. Treatment focuses on release of excess copper from tissues, promotion of copper excretion, and stimulation of metallothionein (a metal-binding protein). Many patients report a worsening for three weeks followed by steady improvement. Nutrient support is zinc, manganese, vitamin C and B6. Nutrients should be introduced gradually to avoid side effects. Use 25mg of zinc initially, then 50 then 75 as tolerated. A total of 60 to 90 days is usually required to correct this imbalance.


The list of things to avoid include the following:

1. Multiple vitamins/minerals containing Cu

2. Enriched foods with Cu added (learn to read the labels)

3. I recommend that she drink bottled water.

4. She needs to avoid swimming pools/jacuzzis treated with algicides containing copper sulfate.

5. The primary foods to avoid are chocolate, carob and shellfish.


5) Toxic Overload

This syndrome often involves a sudden, prolonged bout of depression without apparent reason and without a prior history of depression. Toxic substances which are capable of producing depression include lead, cadmium, mercury, and a wide variety of organic and inorganic chemicals. Treatment varies with the type of toxic material involved, and care must be exercised to avoid flooding the kidneys with toxins during the early stages of treatment. Heavy-metal overloads can be corrected quickly by in-hospital chelation, or more slowly using biochemical treatment. Organic chemical overloads require liberal use of antioxidants along with avoidance of the offending substances.


BTW, chocolate has 4 separate ingredients that can worsen malaise/depression in some people: (1) sugar, (2) caffeine, (3) copper, and (4) milk. The most significant of these for females is usually copper. Unfortunately carob has even more copper than chocolate.

Many depression patients experience striking cycles in which their depression may wax for months or wane for months. It's really hard to evaluate treatment efficacy for such persons since the patient may deteriorate during effective treatment or improve while experiencing placebo or a harmful therapy. (30 Dec, 2002)

Histamine assays for depression were introduced by Dr. Carl Pfeiffer of Princeton, NJ in the 1970' and 1980's. My clinic has found whole blood histamine to be very useful & has used this assay more than 30,000 times.

First of all, the analysis must be done for whole blood (not plasma, serum, etc), strictly adhering to the sampling protocol. We presently use LabCorp but in the past Quest also had proficiency for this assay.

The reference "normal" range for mental health is 40 to 70 ng/dL. Levels above 70 indicate undermethylation, whereas levels below 40 suggest overmethylation.

Undermethylated depressives thrive on l-methionine, calcium, magnesium, B-6, Zinc, and Vitamin C. In severe cases, up to 3,000 mg/day of methionine and 2,000 mg/day of Ca may be needed. However, we also like to routinely run a homocysteine test to assure the safety of the methylation protocol. This population is believed to result in low serotonin activity. This methylation therapy is quite slow in taking effect.... and often 6-8 weeks pass before
progress is obvious

Overmethylated (low-histamine) depressives thrive on folic acid, B-12, niacin (or niacinamide), B-6, Zinc, Manganese, DMAE, and Vitamins, C and E. In severe cases, up to 5,000 mcg/day of FA may be needed. Response is more rapid with this phenotype, with clear progress usually by week 4. This population is believed to have an innate tendency for elevated serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine levels.

This test can also help guide psychiatrists in selection of psychiatric medications. For example high histamine persons may do quite well on SSRI's, but low-histamine persons usually reactly very badly to SSRI's and are better candidates for benzodiazapines.

We like to augment the histamine blood test with an "absolute basophil" test offered by Direct Healthcare, Inc. The histamine assay can be affected by antihistamines and other medications with AH properties. The reference range for ABC's is 30-50.

We have an enormous chemistry database for depression..... more than 90 chemical assays for each of 3,200 persons with clinical depression. We find that 90% of depressives may be divided into five biochemical classifications, each requiring a different treatment approach. Two of these depression phenotypes are undermethylation and overmethylation. (June 2,
2003)


Estimated incidence of hypercupremia in our depressive population:

Females: 45%
Males: 3%
Overall: 30% (We have more females than males in our depression database)

As you can see from the numbers, hypercupremic depression is generally a female event. We are about to publish a database study which shows that hypercupremic feamles are especially prone to post-partum depression and post-partum psychosis. Many of these high-Cu females get worse on anti-depressants, but respond beautifully to nutrient therapy which normalizes Cu and Zn levels. (June 11, 2003)
 
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Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Vitamin D3 (Cholecalciferol) 800 IU 200%
Niacinamide 30 mg 150%
Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine HCL) 40 mg 2000%
Folic Acid 50 mcg 8%
Vitamin B12 (1.0% trit/DCP) 800 mcg 13333%
Selenium (Chelate) 50 mcg 71%
Arginine AKG 250 mg **
St. Johns Wort 0.3% Hypericin 300 mg **
Caffeine Anhydrous 200 mg **
5HTP 50 mg **
N-Acetyl-L-Tyrosine 500 mg **

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How does 5-htp compare with Theanine?

I find 5-htp to be more effective. L-theanine is subtle for low dose long-term use. For short-term higher doses it's hit or miss. The right dose you can really feel sometimes and is very calming but can be disorienting. It hightens your awareness and can make you dizzy while the right dosage can improve balance. So you either have subtle decent benifets or very calming with side effects in my experience. But anyone who has experience with the GABA system knows high activation of that will make you disoriented. Think being drunk.
 
I think so. I don't think theanine has the power to take away a panic attack.
 
How does 5-htp compare with Theanine?
I've not really used 5HTP - just a few caps. Theanine is for relaxation, at a guess its doing something to GABA, could be wrong, easy to check. Great night supplement but a bit expensive - if I remember rightly - and there are more cost effective supps out there, e.g. 1-carboxy.

From the claims guys here are making for 5HTP its in a better league all together.

Carbidopa is whats needed for 5HTP, you are supposed to be able to get it on script in Europe, I suspect this refers to Germany. It ain't in the states unless its bound up with Ldopa. Why?

Thats simple if you OD 5HTP with carbidopa - you die. The brain overloads. In Parkinson's Carbidopa is carefully balanced against Ldopa - meaningless piece of info!
 
So 5-htp can be used during the daytime as a calming/stress reduction effect?


I've not really used 5HTP - just a few caps. Theanine is for relaxation, at a guess its doing something to GABA, could be wrong, easy to check. Great night supplement but a bit expensive - if I remember rightly - and there are more cost effective supps out there, e.g. 1-carboxy.

From the claims guys here are making for 5HTP its in a better league all together.

Carbidopa is whats needed for 5HTP, you are supposed to be able to get it on script in Europe, I suspect this refers to Germany. It ain't in the states unless its bound up with Ldopa. Why?

Thats simple if you OD 5HTP with carbidopa - you die. The brain overloads. In Parkinson's Carbidopa is carefully balanced against Ldopa - meaningless piece of info!
 
What about for motivation? I am having trouble wanting to do anything. I don't get anxiety just serial avoidance of anything and everything.
 
So 5-htp can be used during the daytime as a calming/stress reduction effect?

Blow you answer a question ...then get swamped.

Basically 'yes', you can use other stuff partic. adaptogenic herbs and its probably a better route for this purpose (thats a different thread). I wouldn't use 5HTP unless you're in a panic.

Theanine will also have a calming effect, it ain't that strong and to some extent so will GABA. Really night time is the time to take this stuff. GABOB is the most potent of the GABA-based supplements. You must only use that at night time (could make you drowsy).
 
What about for motivation? I am having trouble wanting to do anything. I don't get anxiety just serial avoidance of anything and everything.
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Thats called procrastination.

You are talking dopamine stuff here and this is alot about night time supplements. Mucana puriens, 1-carboxy, B6 (p5p), possibly GABA, all that stuff ... possible valarian. That boosts dopamine and thats thought to boost HGh.

Oh PEA is a good here. Its half life though is short, there are ways around it... (another thread).

Word of warning ... be careful about messing around with dopamine production. If you every got a problem with dopamine ... too low (or too high) its a big problem. The above stuff is fine however.

Okay I'm done on this thread... good thread.
 
I better clarify .. I just got a pm on this...

5HTP day time. However I don't use it. The guys on this thread say 'daytime'.

Theanine is good supp. - night time.

GABOB is the strongest night time supp. X-dreams is probably second (but I've never tried it).

Valarian, passion flower and possibly lemon balm are also potent night time.

Basically if its going to make you drowsy its for night time due to the risk of dropping asleep.

Really guys I'm done on this thread. Great thread again.
 
I think theanine is more effective during the day in my experience. It's better for focus/alertness. It also has effects on dopamine.
 
What about for motivation? I am having trouble wanting to do anything. I don't get anxiety just serial avoidance of anything and everything.

Tyrosine my friend. Didn't you get my pm?
 
12 grams of inositol works for me. Will give you a runny stomach for a few days. Obviously isn't as effective as prescription meds but worth a try.
 
gym/cardio/exercise/weights...... women.

this is good advice. let me add positive self help books and programming yourself to be positive really make all the difference. remember though you must do it day in day out, just like shaving or showering or the results fade away...you can also tone it down a notch like a maintence program or turn it up a notch...in a way just like physical training.

Don't forget St. John's Wort. It has a bunch of studies behind it.

St Johns worts is good for losing weight and keeping insulin in control, esp when 10- 12 % plus. a lot of these supplements in bodybuilding are useful not only for feeling better but looking better

x2 on the 5-HTP part. You can take a bit more than what they say on the bottle if needed. When in hell, it is a very good friend. The right dose of 5-HTP will snap you out of the worst panic attack. Get more sleep! Sleep sleep sleep. It heals the brain. If there are stressors in your life, get them handled and learn not to fret them best you can.

Over time, this therapy heals the brain. No need anymore for any SSRI's MOI's or anything for me. Problem is solved once and for all. In fact, for me, the 5-HTP works better than any prescription I was ever given. Even after weeks and weeks on them and it's affects are immediate.

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agreed deep relaxing sleep is soooo important. i play a sleep cd sometimes before bed time to help unwind and it does the trick.

I find 5-htp to be more effective. L-theanine is subtle for low dose long-term use. For short-term higher doses it's hit or miss. The right dose you can really feel sometimes and is very calming but can be disorienting. It hightens your awareness and can make you dizzy while the right dosage can improve balance. So you either have subtle decent benifets or very calming with side effects in my experience. But anyone who has experience with the GABA system knows high activation of that will make you disoriented. Think being drunk.

L-theanine is also great to get into the right state of sleep (delta? i forgot which one it is)

Just exercising works better than any anti-depressant. 30 minutes walking on the treadmill with a bit of sweating does wonders. That is what needs to be done on off days

and if walking can not be done just 30 minutes on a stationary bicycle low intensity even.

I try to get in the gym every day (Dc training 3 days weights) and 4 days low-moderate cardio because this changes my mood for the best!

also consider getting headphones and playing your favorite music while exercises..this changes mood as well.
 
I go through crazy bouts of anxiety and panic. In the early days of recognizing my problem and trying to deal with it, I tried 5-htp several times and hated it. It made me sick and lethargic, and I rebounded like a mother.

Therapy can work wonders with the right person, but is a long-term deal that takes time. The wrong person can actually make things worse. I think some of them just love the negativity, love hearing about problems, and think that having strong emotions and/or opinions is somehow abnormal. There are good, subsidized programs out there that do it on the cheap such as Catholic Social Services if you dont have insurance that covers it. It sounds ghetto, but it's not. One thing I gained from therapy is finding an outlet to vent things out. Sometimes I would just talk and talk, and then I was ready to pass out. Journaling has the same effect, but I usually don't have the discipline to keep up with it. The other thing is breathing. This works in a pinch, and it does work. I went through a panic spell all last week, and this got me through whenever I felt it hitting hard.

So, on to meds. When I finally decided to try the meds route, it was after lots of trial and error of other things, such as 5-htp, and avoidance of using them. I went to a doc that put me on effexor. He had also scripted me xanex as a quick-fix for anxiety attacks, which I never filled. I hated this stuff. The sides were crazy. I put on weight and had mad sugar cravings. I became lethargic, unmotivated, and got weird ticks. Also, coming off of the stuff is no fun, and if you miss a dose you'll know it. I went to the doc and asked to switch. It was then I realized this guy was crap. He was confused as to why I wanted to switch. He suggested lithium, which I quickly said not only no, but hell no, and asked for lexapro.

I was originally on 20mg of lexapro, and it worked well. Ejaculating could be a chore sometimes at first, but no complaints there. I think I also eventually gained some lethargy, but not as much as the effexor gave me. When I found out I was deploying, I weened off of the lexapro because I wasnt sure if I could get it easily overseas or if I could deploy if they found out I was on it. Well, deployment in the reserves takes a while. After 9 months of deployment being off again and on again, my anxiety came back and I went to my family doc this time. He put me on 10mgs. The army doesnt know I am on it, and I have my wife mail me my refills. 10mgs seems to be a good maintenance dose for me. I think 20 works better during the harder periods, which can last a week or two, but used to last 1-2 months, but I try not to double up while here because the meds take so long to get in the mail. I don't have any bad sides that I notice.

The right stim also helps me a lot. Seriously, my mood and motivation can be aided tremenously by the right amount of stims on some days. The problem there is I have to watch for crash or overdoing it because they also can amp up my anxiety, and I can become dependant on caffeine just to get out of bed. Energy drinks and coffee suck for this. I need something with high amounts of stimulants that lasts 4 hours or more. This is trial and error, and I have to be careful to use them in moderation.

Sorry for the wordy post. I just wanted to share my experience in hopes to help some folks. As is always said, find a good doc that you trust, don't expect a quick fix for a long-term or lifelong problem, and know that everyone is different so find what works for you.
 
L-theanine is also great to get into the right state of sleep (delta? i forgot which one it is)

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No it's alpha and alpha is associated with being awake yet relaxed. Delta is associated with deep sleep. The studies on L-theanine have shown to increase alpha waves in the brain. This is why i've suggested it's a great supplement to take during the day. Not at night. The effects on raising dopamine and gaba may counteract this for some people but it may also keep you awake.
 
First of all be VERY careful with St John's Wort if you're also taking prescription meds, it doesn't interact well at all with some of them.

I've had depression on and off for years and whilst I wouldn't say I'm an expert I've certainly got alot of experience. The first thing to mention is that depression is a very wide, ill defined, category. It effects different people in very different ways. With this in mind different things are going to help different people - it really is a matter of finding what works for you.

Whilst just taking some pills seems easy (and will work for a few) I'd recommend a more encompassing approach.

1) Sleep hygiene. Having a 1 hour window you get up in every day and a 1 hour window when you go to bed is important. Your body is designed to work on a rhythm, if you're all over the place it has to 'cope'. Melatonin helps some people.

2) Diet. Avoid sugar spikes. It's hard as comfort eating mostly involves sugary foods but the mood effect, and subsequent crash can play havoc with your stability. You know about healthy eating anyway.

3) Exercise. So many benefits from endorphins to body image. Drink lots of water and sweat lots to help drain out your lymphatic system. This will help clear toxins that build up that make you feel groggy.

4) Mindfulness. Yoga? meditation? hypnosis? I found finding something that I got on with difficult. I have a very active mind and getting some 'calm time' is a good way give your mind a 'base line' - for me it was hypnosis mp3's.

5) Therapy. A lot of people seem to HATE therapy. but there are alot of different types out there and I've had a fair few of them. Cognitive Behaviour Therapy (CBT) is good for many people but I'm about to start some Cognitive Analytical Therapy (CAT) which is apparently better for people who over-analyse things. Find what you get on with as good therapy can really make a difference. If your pride wont let you then consider a 'Life Coach' as setting and achieving goals will make a massive difference.

6) Medication. Most importantly medication is not going to cure you - but it will provide you with a stable platform from which to get better. There are alot of meds out there and different people get on with different ones and suffer different side effects. And those side effects can really suck (from not being able to stop grinning to no libido what-so-ever to massive weight gain to hair loss...) If you can find one that you don't like but can bear the side effects of then keep in mind that the more you do apart from just medication then the quicker you might be off the meds - of course the withdraw effects can be horrendous too. If you're going to add supplements to what your taking find about the interactions. It's important!


Whilst it often seems like there is never going to be an end to the 'hell' I keep in mind that the brain does literally rewire itself - neurons literally unplug and reattach elsewhere, the hardware adapts to the software. If you keep running positive software then you'll end up with hardware that runs positive software easier and struggles to run negative hardware. This is why some people can seem to take whatever life throws at than and others crumble at the smallest problem. So lastly;

7) Affirmations. Basically this involves saying positive phrases about yourself repeatedly, things like;

"I have a positive mental attitude"

I'm not sure why it works but I would say its a combination of two things. Firstly saying something 10 times, 3 times a day EVERY day keeps it in you 'important list' so you don't procrastinate too much about it and when opportunities you might otherwise overlook appear your ready to take them. Secondly I think your brain is far more suggestible than you'd like, even to yourself. Saying these phrases tricks your mind into rewiring itself to be ready for them to be true. Then your brain finds it easier to operate as if it were true and after a while it is just true. I know it sounds insane but it really does work.


Lastly I'd like to recommend a new med that unfortunately I don't think is yet available in the USA (I'm in the UK where its just out of trials). Valdoxan or Agomelatine. It's a mild antidepressant that mostly works on your how you sleep, and for me it's side effect free! Not one! It's still early days with it but it seems so much better than any other antidepressant I've ever had.
 
1-carboxy increases dopamine better than anything on the supplement market.

i was mistakenly sent some 1-carboxy instead of cissus... i suffer from anxiety and depression and i didnt have a clue what this stuff did. maybe i should give it a try. i hate when my mood messes with my training, but sometimes i cant help it! maybe this stuff will help? any suggestions?
 
hi guys this is an interesting thread. ive actually been suffering from anxiety and panic attacks recently more than ever... its the worst feeling on this earth. up till now i have not done anything about it, but its starting to affect my life i went to the docs and he said i should go see a shrink to talk about it, but he also prescribed me paroxteine.... i did a bit of a read up about it and it sounds scary.. weight gain... etc..etc... and massive withdrawls when your coming off it... that is my last resort i dont want to take it. I have however started a course of st johns wort and even then i did some reading and people say bad things can happen. Anyway im taking it started my first pill this morning just had my next for lunch and another one at night everyday... i want to see if this helps first before i go another route.... anyone give any other advice.... or other stuff that is easily obtain that is natural and can help reduce my attacks... thanks.

im not sure how bad your anxiety is, but i will tell you first hand this stuff MESSES you up BAD!!! destroyed my metabolism, destroyed my sex drive, made me sick... made me not care about anything! no anxiety though, but is it worth it? my wife thought i no longer found her attractive, and she is beautiful, i gained 20 pounds of FAT! i used to be a guy who couldnt get fat no matter what! **** that ****!!! i wouldnt take that no matter what!
 
4) Mindfulness. Yoga? meditation? hypnosis? I found finding something that I got on with difficult. I have a very active mind and getting some 'calm time' is a good way give your mind a 'base line' - for me it was hypnosis mp3's.

I've recently started delving into meditation and mental awareness and its really been a turning point in dealing with my depressive episodes. Maintaining consciousness awareness over your thought processes really helps with redirecting and dissolving the mental feedback loops that can induce and are indicative of my depressive episodes. The Power of Now by Eckharte Tolle, if you haven't heard of it, is one of the most life changing and enlightening texts I've ever read. I would highly suggest reading and practicing it if you haven't. Most religious followers won't agree with his new age philosophies (myself included), but if you can look beyond his spiritual beliefs what he teaches is literally life changing. Its helped me come to terms with trauma's I've carried since childhood and dissolved a lot of the emotional baggage i've carried with me my whole life.
 
I've recently started delving into meditation and mental awareness and its really been a turning point in dealing with my depressive episodes. Maintaining consciousness awareness over your thought processes really helps with redirecting and dissolving the mental feedback loops that can induce and are indicative of my depressive episodes. The Power of Now by Eckharte Tolle, if you haven't heard of it, is one of the most life changing and enlightening texts I've ever read. I would highly suggest reading and practicing it if you haven't. Most religious followers won't agree with his new age philosophies (myself included), but if you can look beyond his spiritual beliefs what he teaches is literally life changing. Its helped me come to terms with trauma's I've carried since childhood and dissolved a lot of the emotional baggage i've carried with me my whole life.

im going to look into that book, because i realize i partially "do it to myself" its just a matter of figuring out hwo to stop getting myself so workked up.
 
im going to look into that book, because i realize i partially "do it to myself" its just a matter of figuring out hwo to stop getting myself so workked up.

I'm glad to hear that. I hope your investment is as profitable as mine was, this book is seriously the "magic-pill" when it comes to self improvement.
 
Okay, this thread is going great. I am thinking for now, to use 5-HTP at bed time, would using it during the day cause sleepiness?

I will keep Phenibut XT on hand for when anxiety flares up, car rides.

I will also use EndoAMP at bed time.

I will look into b-12 injections pending a b-12 deficentcy test.

Also going to use some samE and Vit D
 
5-HTP

Okay, this thread is going great. I am thinking for now, to use 5-HTP at bed time, would using it during the day cause sleepiness?

I will keep Phenibut XT on hand for when anxiety flares up, car rides.

I will also use EndoAMP at bed time.

I will look into b-12 injections pending a b-12 deficentcy test.

Also going to use some samE and Vit D

I think you may be over doing it. If you are suffering with Anxiety I would focus first and foremost on getting more sleep but with less supplements. If you put too much into the mixing pot you can spoil the stew. You'll also never find out what is working best for you.

As for the 5-HTP, yes at bedtime for a sleep aid and daytime for PAD/GAD but more important is that if you are going to take it to treat the anxiety then pick one or the other, not both. Not bed time and day time as this is taking too much IMHO. Anxiety and panic usually zoom you up pretty good so a little drowsy stuff wont hurt at all. In fact, I always found the calming affect of a good dose of 5-HTP throughout the day when having an attack to be a very nice feeling. Never had drowsy issues that made me feel like I needed a nap. I was too zoomed up from the attacks. If the 5-HTP makes you feel like you need to sleep then most likely the attack wasn't bad enough to warrant taking the 5-HTP.

In more cases than not a "less is better" approach to supplementation is best when trying to figure out what will help you the best.

Nothing works the same for every one but I'm seeing and reading about more and more positive response with less to no sides from people supplementing with 5-HTP vs anything else. It's all I use now if and when I have an issue. If I want a sleep aid at times I use some Melatonin or Valerian root and I save the 5-HTP for when I need it to help me with an attack.

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BTW, since I learned about treating my attacks with 5-HTP and got them to stop I've been attack free now for months. No issues at all anymore and there has even been way more stress in my life recently than before which usually pushes people like us the other way. I how ever am getting better instead of worse. I truly believe in the effectiveness of this supplement to help and even treat PAD/GAD attacks and symptoms in people who suffer from it. It's a God send for me.

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Besides phenibut, what are some of the best gabergenics out there?

I was already planning on using theanine but the feedback on picamilin seems mixed at best.

Also doe anyone have experience with sulbutiamine as a bridge to come off of stimulants? It is very hard to find right now and want to see if its worth the trouble
 
I would like to give a update to my over sedated hypothesis. I thought that I was over sedated and I was. Within 3 days I "woke up" by taking 1,000mg of tyrosine 2x a day on a empty stomach and I continue to feel the same way. My memory has come back, I can think clearer and my mood no longer feels like I'm dragging. My motivation still isn't great but it's improved. Overall a HUGE improvement from before. So what I wanna say is be careful of over doing it. That's why I recommended one supplement at a time. Then once you feel better then you may need to stop. Especially with 5-htp. It is not a long term supplement. I was taking things to calm me down for soo long I over did it and caused a off balance. Now I am slowly getting back to normal I feel.
 
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