New to PH, just a few questions

Phallen

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To give you a little background about myself, I've been working out for two years (off and on). This year I worked out hard from Jan. to April (New Years Resolution). My wife had brain surgery and I needed to be there 24/7. After she recovered (100%, I might add), I hit the gym. From June till present, I have been making solid gains. I was using quite a few supplements to get there also. I then met someone, who was my supervisor at work, who told me about this new supplement that helped him achieve a 515 bench press. Now this person is about 6'3 250lbs, solid. So usually his advice at working out I took to heart. He said "go on the internet, get the stuff, take it 3 times a day, it will get you were u wanna go quick." Now, I knew it sounded to good to be true. Anyway, I bought the supplement anyway, which was expensive, and put the old supplements away. So I started taking this new supplement about four days ago. During that time, I started to feel good but sore the next day after working out. So I decided to look the ingredients up on the internet. The ingriedents were as follows

2a, 17a,-Dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one, 17b-ol 8mg ( I believe this is Superdrol)

19-Norandrosta-4, 9 diene-3, 17 dione 50mg (which I think is a Tren compound, I could be wrong)

Now I was told to take one pill three times a day for thrity days and at night I was to take two pills before bed.. these ingriedents are as follows

NAC 500mg I have no idea
DIM (Diindolymethane) 500mg
I-3-C (Indole-3-Carbinol) 150mg

I know most of the listed ingredients are mostly an estrogen blocker.

So after researching the above-listed, I now know I procured prohormones without actually knowing. By the way, a lot of that research led me to this website. Anyways, I'm not really mad at the guy who turned me onto this. I jumped in head first without doing any type of research. So, I am knee deep in a "cycle." So I've got my hands on a serm (tamoxifen citrate) for my PCT. Now the questions...

Do I need an AI for my PCT? My plan was just to take the serm but if I need more please let me know.

Also, during the past 48hrs my right nipple has been sore. Is this normal? What I've read, this could be the start of gyno. Anything I can do to help with this issue. I would like to finish the cycle, since I spent a bunch of money on it.

I know I need to eat 1.7/2 grams of protein per lb of muscle mass along with EFA's and 2 gallons of water a day. I've been staying pretty close to eating 150 grams of protein with a face and a soul and 150grams of protein supplement.

Any advice would greatly be appreciated.

If someone has the time, we can talk on AIM
 
Phallen said:
To give you a little background about myself, I've been working out for two years (off and on). This year I worked out hard from Jan. to April (New Years Resolution). My wife had brain surgery and I needed to be there 24/7. After she recovered (100%, I might add), I hit the gym. From June till present, I have been making solid gains. I was using quite a few supplements to get there also. I then met someone, who was my supervisor at work, who told me about this new supplement that helped him achieve a 515 bench press. Now this person is about 6'3 250lbs, solid. So usually his advice at working out I took to heart. He said "go on the internet, get the stuff, take it 3 times a day, it will get you were u wanna go quick." Now, I knew it sounded to good to be true. Anyway, I bought the supplement anyway, which was expensive, and put the old supplements away. So I started taking this new supplement about four days ago. During that time, I started to feel good but sore the next day after working out. So I decided to look the ingredients up on the internet. The ingriedents were as follows

2a, 17a,-Dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one, 17b-ol 8mg ( I believe this is Superdrol)

19-Norandrosta-4, 9 diene-3, 17 dione 50mg (which I think is a Tren compound, I could be wrong)

Now I was told to take one pill three times a day for thrity days and at night I was to take two pills before bed.. these ingriedents are as follows

NAC 500mg I have no idea
DIM (Diindolymethane) 500mg
I-3-C (Indole-3-Carbinol) 150mg

I know most of the listed ingredients are mostly an estrogen blocker.

So after researching the above-listed, I now know I procured prohormones without actually knowing. By the way, a lot of that research led me to this website. Anyways, I'm not really mad at the guy who turned me onto this. I jumped in head first without doing any type of research. So, I am knee deep in a "cycle." So I've got my hands on a serm (tamoxifen citrate) for my PCT. Now the questions...

Do I need an AI for my PCT? My plan was just to take the serm but if I need more please let me know.

Also, during the past 48hrs my right nipple has been sore. Is this normal? What I've read, this could be the start of gyno. Anything I can do to help with this issue. I would like to finish the cycle, since I spent a bunch of money on it.

I know I need to eat 1.7/2 grams of protein per lb of muscle mass along with EFA's and 2 gallons of water a day. I've been staying pretty close to eating 150 grams of protein with a face and a soul and 150grams of protein supplement.

Any advice would greatly be appreciated.

If someone has the time, we can talk on AIM
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4 days is hardly knee deep into a cycle .I would have thought that the time you have been on this supplement , is not emough to have an impact on your endocrine system , but i may be wrong .No doubt i may get corrected on that , but if i am right i dont see why you cannot simply just stop taking it

i see you want to continue but its a case of how you value your health If you do have a family crisis again whatever that might be, you want to be in a position you can deal with it 100 percent and not worry about any problems you have brought on yourself through inappropriate misuse of designer steroids
 
yeah kinda sucks that your friend got you on steroids without telling you, lol. I don't know your stats but if you've only been training off and on for 2 years then you're really not ready for steroids anyway.

After 4 days the suppression is minimal, IMO you can get right off and you'd only have problems if you have an extremely delicate HPTA. I think you should get off, train for a while longer and do a lot more reading before you try your "supplements" again.

As for the nipple soreness that definitely is gyno, more likely than not it's being caused by the "tren" and in that case it's "progestin-gyno" so... that is a real bitch to deal with let me tell you... Just another reason to stop because progestin gyno is really hard to stop.

Did this guy tell you to take anything for PCT? Cuz if he didn't, that's really ****ed up, and you would be justified in slapping him.
 
i dont want to labour the point because ive said enough on this on other threads , but this is an example of why the govt is clamping down and banning designer steroids -naivity about these drugs .The forum is full of examples who jump in blindfold
 
you are experiencing progestin sides, from the tren (it is actually a precursor to a steroid called dienolone, similar in gains/sides to tren, but tends to be a mysterious/strange steroid in how it acts in the body.)

anyhow, you are seeing sides b/c you are taking 150mg e/d of a dienolone precursor. only 24mg of sd, so that isn't anything to worry about.

being that it is only 4 days in, just stop taking it, you will be fine. but I would suggest picking up some mucina purinas extract, gabba, and vitamin b6, just to be safe. these are all supps that increase l-dopa, which counteracts progestin in a sense. (it is a little more comp. than this, but im trying to keep it short)

a good sup to take before bed would be somnidren. also, if you have a vitamin shop, I would rec. buying their sup called "growth tech" it is from the vitamin shoppe brand "body tech" and has sups that increase l-dopa along with other g.h. increasing sups.

again stop taking the ph. you should be okay.

the advise unreal gave about staying all natural for a while is good advice. save the ph you have for later, you you can look into buying "dostinex" which you can take when you feel ready to jump into ph's again. this will help counteract the sides from the "dienolone precursor".

take care, feel free to ask if you have anymore questions.
 
corsaking said:
i dont want to labour the point because ive said enough on this on other threads , but this is an example of why the govt is clamping down and banning designer steroids -naivity about these drugs .The forum is full of examples who jump in blindfold
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i agree. You listend to him just because he told you to? What if i told you to take acid and youll get ripped and huge in 5 days? You should of FIRST researched before buying the phs. How much did you take 3 times a day?
 
rammy222 said:
i agree. You listend to him just because he told you to? What if i told you to take acid and youll get ripped and huge in 5 days? You should of FIRST researched before buying the phs. How much did you take 3 times a day?
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bla bla bla, he made a mistake. it is why I dont recomend ph's to anyone who ask me for advice. I always tell the the basics.

and basic math will tell you how much he took three times a day. 8mg of sd * 3 = 24mg of sd. 50mg of tren * 3 = 150mg of tren.
it's hard, i know.

it's sad, and yes, this is why the ban on ph's. but what can you do. it's gonna happen. too late.
 
I never "planned" on taking ph. I thought it was just another regular supplement. My plan was to stay totally natural, it still is.

Rammy, the info I was given came from someone I respect, not some random bum. As it comes to find out, he didn't know it was a ph. So his lack of knowledge fell on me

jbryand, thx for the info. I'll definitely look into the supplements tomorrow. Also, I already ordered Nolvadex. Should I still plan on taking this? BTW, I'm noticing a small bit of puffiness around my right nipple. Nothing really noticable. Will this go away with time?
 
yes, this will go away, it is just the start. the nolva will most likely due nothing for it, being it was caused from the dienolone, and this is a progestin side.

look into purchasing one or more of the sups I recomended, but if you can only get one, look for the "growth tech" sup + vitamin b6.

but even without these, stopping the sup should cause the sides to go away, being it is so early. good luck, if all else fails, look into buying caber. aka "dostinex".

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something along these lines.
 
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