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Slim Xtreme DISCONTINUED!

ottonis said:
CheathamHill,

i don't think that the racetam in the original formula did anything. assuming that there were 50 mg aniracetam, this amount would perhaps be good enough to make a fruitfly "jacked", but humans would need to take a 10x - 20x fold higher dose in order to get a noticable effect. that's a t least the official recommendation from the pharmaceutical company that makes aniracetam.

Moreover, while you could certainly be spot on with your assumption that the formula steadily changed in order to escape identification of the "wonder-drug", there are two things that speak against it:

1. stimulatory experience may change after repeated use of a stimulant. I guess that people who take cocaine for the first time in their life will have a very different experience than after their 500th dose?

2. The company itself (Anabolic Xtreme) recently incorporated a name of a designer substance ("Phenyl-Pyrrolidinyltoluene") in their newest product label incarnation that appears to be structurally extremely close to (if not the same as) the designer drug that was uncovered at different forums (Diphenylmethylpyrrolidine).

IMO, the "best case" scenario for AX is that "Phenyl-Pyrrolidinyltoluene" is structurally different than the other mentioned designer drugs, that it would not fall under the gov. analog act and that it would also be DSHEA compliant, as their chief marketing officer repeatedly claimed that this substance naturally occurs in carrots and tobacco plants.

I see following possible ways how things may have evolved:

- AX only "believed" (in a delusional meaning of the word) that they had their hands on the holy grail of stimulants that was novel + legal, but in reality they got fooled and tricked by their raw material supplier or their formulator. They realized that they got fooled after GC/MS data got published around the internet showing almost complete match between the mass spectra of the substance in SX and the designer drug.

-AX knew from the beginning what they are doing and deliberately decided to "spike" the product with a designer stimulant that works better than ritalin. now they got caught with their pants down and spontaneously decided to start a sailing tour with madonna, bono and matt dylon, somewhere in the bermudas.

- AX was right all the way, and the mass spectra were faked or wrongly interpreted. There is no designer drug in SX but a natural substance that was distilled from carrots, and AX has a patent pending on this. Personally I WISH that this last optine were true. But it is almost impossible to believe in this option, since AX decided to stop production of SX after the mass spectra got around the interwebz. Stopping production sounds much like "s hit, I got caught, let's stop production, so FDA won't get on us".
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They haven't stopped production yet tho, the local supplement store STILL gets shipments. I know this because my friend works for them. Maybe they stopped "making" the products but they are still distributing what they have left?
 
Cellardude said:
They haven't stopped production yet tho, the local supplement store STILL gets shipments. I know this because my friend works for them.
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If production has not resumed by the time the stock runs out, they will not be able to get any more.
 
Cellardude said:
They haven't stopped production yet tho, the local supplement store STILL gets shipments. I know this because my friend works for them.
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wow, this contradicts very much to what they claim on their website:

there, they say:

anabolicx.com said:
"Anabolic Xtreme (Nutrition Distribution) continually seeks new ways to improve our products and better serve our customers. While we are confident in the formulations, safety and efficacy of our products, in order to promptly address recent consumer concerns about our Slim Xtreme product, we have elected to cease manufacturing of the current Slim Xtreme formula while we attempt to determine if there is any validity to the concerns that have been expressed. We will research the concerns being alleged and will concurrently examine ways to improve our formula to create an even more effective product. We appreciate your patience during this transitional period while we get clarity on this matter. Thank you for your continued support and confidence in our brand"
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Well production and stock on hand are two different animals... they could have easily stopped production but if they continue to sell off what they have then it makes no sense. If companies are still selling this I wonder if they have been notified.
 
They are probably running rampant to reformulate it and say that it was never tainted. Pure speculation on my behalf.
Nutra placed several sample packs in my recent order(s); I am not going to use them unless I am planning on killing of some rodents. :D
 
Jayhawkk said:
Well production and stock on hand are two different animals... they could have easily stopped production but if they continue to sell off what they have then it makes no sense. If companies are still selling this I wonder if they have been notified.
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i get the feeling the fda isn't notifying anyone about slimx. retailers included.
 
Jayhawkk said:
Well production and stock on hand are two different animals... they could have easily stopped production but if they continue to sell off what they have then it makes no sense. If companies are still selling this I wonder if they have been notified.
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Production for a fact, has stopped. As for how much stock and why or if it's still going out, I can't say for sure. I may have overstepped on that last post.
 
If they stopped production, they should also stop distribution.
 
strategicmove said:
If they stopped production, they should also stop distribution.
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Agreed. Kind of useless to take down the drug czar if his product is still going to flow to the masses.

Just some shotty practices trying to recoup what was invested at possibly the expense of the unknowings health.
 
I just checked with admin. There wasn't much stock to begin with since it was selling so fast, and since production has stopped, distribution has also stopped.
 
thebigt said:
it matters to me, lol. the point i am making is the fda didn't even tell them to stop making it.
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Does it give you the warm and fuzzy if they ceased producing designer speed on their own? Or just the fact that they ceased before someone caught them?
 
DAdams91982 said:
Does it give you the warm and fuzzy if they ceased producing designer speed on their own? Or just the fact that they ceased before someone caught them?
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what really gives me the warm and fuzzy's is that a government agency that is allegedly looking out for me,that my tax dollars pays for, has not come forward. and has left us drifting at sea with nothing more than 'speculation'.
 
thebigt said:
what really gives me the warm and fuzzy's is that a government agency that is allegedly looking out for me,that my tax dollars pays for, has not come forward. and has left us drifting at sea with nothing more than 'speculation'.
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Understandable, but do you know how much red tape the FDA has to go through before they attack a private sector entity? Lets take PPlex for example, banned June of 2008, yet, you can still buy it anywhere and everywhere. Believe it or not, the private sector has more power to keep their supps than the FDA does to take them away.
 
Cellardude said:
They haven't stopped production yet tho, the local supplement store STILL gets shipments. I know this because my friend works for them. Maybe they stopped "making" the products but they are still distributing what they have left?
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Europa and Co. still would have ****tons I'd assume.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Understandable, but do you know how much red tape the FDA has to go through before they attack a private sector entity? Lets take PPlex for example, banned June of 2008, yet, you can still buy it anywhere and everywhere. Believe it or not, the private sector has more power to keep their supps than the FDA does to take them away.
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i respect you too much to argue, but i still can't see why red tape would be any excuse for not at least releasing a public warning. WARNING: USE OF THIS PRODUCT MAY CAUSE SERIOUS HEATH RISKS. there, see how simple this is.
 
jim623 said:
On their own.
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If AX stopped production on their own, "willingly"

Why is it that they are still distributing what they have. A shipment came in this past sunday to the extent of my knowledge. I'm sure another shipment has been sent tho. I can easily ask my buddy.
 
thebigt said:
i respect you too much to argue, but i still can't see why red tape would be any excuse for not at least releasing a public warning. WARNING: USE OF THIS PRODUCT MAY CAUSE SERIOUS HEATH RISKS. there, see how simple this is.
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Trust me T.. I understand your frustration, the problem with that is the beaucracy. If the FDA put out a warning like that before all information was founded, and then turned out to be wrong. The FDA just essentially killed a private sector company without the references to back them up. The problem with government, is they are slow moving.. on EVERYTHING.
 
Cellardude said:
If AX stopped production on their own, "willingly"

Why is it that they are still distributing what they have. A shipment came in this past sunday to the extent of my knowledge. I'm sure another shipment has been sent tho. I can easily ask my buddy.
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I don't think they're getting it from AX. More than likely, it's coming from another distributer that still had some. It wasn't a recall, just a production halt.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Trust me T.. I understand your frustration, the problem with that is the beaucracy. If the FDA put out a warning like that before all information was founded, and then turned out to be wrong. The FDA just essentially killed a private sector company without the references to back them up. The problem with government, is they are slow moving.. on EVERYTHING.
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i know, i just can't help with thinking if this were a more mainstream product like something sold at wal mart, that they would be all over it. i may be some clunk-head bodybuilder, but this doesn't stop them from deducting taxes from my paycheck.
 
thebigt said:
i know, i just can't help with thinking if this were a more mainstream product like something sold at wal mart, that they would be all over it. i may be some clunk-head bodybuilder, but this doesn't stop them from deducting taxes from my paycheck.
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Naturally I agree with you T. I hate the FDA period... I would like to see a private sector giving the good health stamp of approval instead of the government, but without the power to ban, only warn.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Naturally I agree with you T. I hate the FDA period... I would like to see a private sector giving the good health stamp of approval instead of the government, but without the power to ban, only warn.
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i thought that is what the fda was, a kind of watchdog, isn't the dea the enforcement arm? see this is where i get confused.
 
thebigt said:
i thought that is what the fda was, a kind of watchdog, isn't the dea the enforcement arm? see this is where i get confused.
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FDA governs the supp industry, you are correct. Until something is official banned, it is still in the purview of the FDA. When something becomes banned, then the DEA takes over.

Like I said, a bunch of bureaucracies I do not agree with, but we must all live with. If the FDA was doing their job correctly we would have actually never seen many of the DSHEA incompliant supps we see today. I would like a private entity testing supps, watch dogging labeling, and warning consumers. Nothing more, nothing less. Take what you damn well please, just know the risks.
 
DAdams91982 said:
FDA governs the supp industry, you are correct. Until something is official banned, it is still in the purview of the FDA. When something becomes banned, then the DEA takes over.

Like I said, a bunch of bureaucracies I do not agree with, but we must all live with. If the FDA was doing their job correctly we would have actually never seen many of the DSHEA incompliant supps we see today. I would like a private entity testing supps, watch dogging labeling, and warning consumers. Nothing more, nothing less. Take what you damn well please, just know the risks.
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hell yeah, and with 2.5 billion dollars spent on sports supps no earthly reason this couldn't be done. i would also like to see an end to proprietary blends, the rest of the supplement world survives just fine without them. the beginning of prop blends spelled the end, imo.
 
DAdams91982 said:
I would like a private entity testing supps, watch dogging labeling, and warning consumers. Nothing more, nothing less. Take what you damn well please, just know the risks.
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Agree 100%. Unfortunately due to special interests and their (not so) hidden agendas, the FDA will always push to exceed its authority. This is bigger than the FDA throwing its weight around; it's symptomatic of the consistent erosion of liberty in this country....sorry if I got off track; I get fired up about this stuff.:zx11pissed:
 
supersize77 said:
Agree 100%. Unfortunately due to special interests and their (not so) hidden agendas, the FDA will always push to exceed its authority. This is bigger than the FDA throwing its weight around; it's symptomatic of the consistent erosion of liberty in this country....sorry if I got off track; I get fired up about this stuff.:zx11pissed:
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AMEN, brother. you are preaching to the choir. our country and way of life is the best on the planet, we need to find a way to stop these morons from descending us into a third world country.
 
While I haven't found anything conclusive, it is a little discerning seeing them disappear from the supplement companies forum.:outtahere:
 
socal2ks said:
Survey says Slim Extreme is good or bad?:wtf1:
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It really depends on the persons mindset. Based on results ONLY I think the general consensus is positive to VERY positive. Unfortunately, the potential danger of mystery stimulants may outweigh SX's results.

So, if you're daredevil or just caviler about your health (I've been guilty of this) SX is great (kills appetite, provides energy, and increases focus-at least for me). If you're trying to play it smart I wouldn't touch the stuff until we find out what's in it.
 
supersize77 said:
It really depends on the persons mindset. Based on results ONLY I think the general consensus is positive to VERY positive. Unfortunately, the potential danger of mystery stimulants may outweigh SX's results.

So, if you're daredevil or just caviler about your health (I've been guilty of this) SX is great (kills appetite, provides energy, and increases focus-at least for me). If you're trying to play it smart I wouldn't touch the stuff until we find out what's in it.
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Ive had some bottles already, thats what my main concern is.
 
I wonder what is worse, sx or methylated designer steroids?
I dunno but I guess the last ones are pretty damn worse...
 
nunes said:
I wonder what is worst, sx or methylated designer steroids?
I dunno but I guess the last ones are pretty damn worst...
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i bet 2 tylenol and a six pack of bud is worse than either.
 
I got some interesting info today from Bulk Nutr. about an order of six slim xtremes that I had placed for several of my hospital coworkers last week. They had sent me an email this morning with a 2nd day air tracking number and when I went to get an update this afternoon the info on the order was changed and showed that it had not shipped. When I called BN regarding this issue I was told that AX had informed them to stop all shipments of SX and per the request made by AX the employees at BN went as far as taking the shipments that were being loaded and scanned by fedex and halted the shipment of any package that contained SX. They issued me a refund and he told me there had been many other buyers that were issued a refund today due to this matter. I then asked if he knew the exact reason AX didn't want them to send out any more shipment and he wasn't sure but most likely due to legal reasons.
 
my advice: if you have any empty or opened bottles of slimx, keep em. i smell sleazy lawyers and class actions suits creeping in.
 
Based off my subsample of one pill, I can see how a stim sensitive person could potentially freak someone out in a big way. That said, the AX does go to pretty good lengths to warn the consumer of it's potency. Problem is, everyone claims to be "potent" so a lot of consumers are jaded.
 
bioman said:
Based off my subsample of one pill, I can see how a stim sensitive person could potentially freak someone out in a big way. That said, the AX does go to pretty good lengths to warn the consumer of it's potency. Problem is, everyone claims to be "potent" so a lot of consumers are jaded.
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it's the deception in the labeling of ingredients that will get them. hopefully this will bring an end to prop blends and sneaky wording to hide the actual ingredients.
 
Until my second week of taking SX I had only experienced paranoia and sinus drainage. Then I started to feel horrible. Then I was just sitting and my heart started racing for no reason, I broke out in a cold sweat, had chest pains, and went into shock. Ended up in the E.R. I only took one SX a day and had no caffeine during my days. But everyone has different reactions to different products, and I could be an isolated incident.
 
bioman said:
Based off my subsample of one pill, I can see how a stim sensitive person could potentially freak someone out in a big way. That said, the AX does go to pretty good lengths to warn the consumer of it's potency. Problem is, everyone claims to be "potent" so a lot of consumers are jaded.
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Good point and I repeat, we are all wired differently. I once took a product by Sci Fit that practically made my head spin, but my sis took it for months with no problems. However, she can not take SlimX and I love it.
 
giodee said:
Until my second week of taking SX I had only experienced paranoia and sinus drainage. Then I started to feel horrible. Then I was just sitting and my heart started racing for no reason, I broke out in a cold sweat, had chest pains, and went into shock. Ended up in the E.R. I only took one SX a day and had no caffeine during my days. But everyone has different reactions to different products, and I could be an isolated incident.
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I believe some cases along these lines are somewhat mental issues. As stated before, slim xtreme is very potent. If you are not used to strong stims and the effect they can have on your cns, and you suddenly become aware of these symptoms or effects and panic, it becomes a slippery slope. Add the adrenaline from panic and anxiety to the stim and you have a ****tail for a full on episode.

I've been there from taking too much leviathan early on in my stim career, and felt it again after taking 2 SX (which I won't do again) and found if you recognize its just the stim at work, control your breathing and relax you can usually avoid overreacting. This may not always be the case with SX because the mystery ingredient may effect some adversely, but in some it very well may work.
 
I personally loved it. took it twice. I wish this **** was on the up and up. this would be perfect supp for all nighters.
 
just as a side note... what is the difference between the guy who sued RPN for havoc and slim x causing that one gentleman to go manic and end up in the ER. just thought it was interesting how that worked out
 
thebigt said:
i respect you too much to argue, but i still can't see why red tape would be any excuse for not at least releasing a public warning. WARNING: USE OF THIS PRODUCT MAY CAUSE SERIOUS HEATH RISKS. there, see how simple this is.
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The FDA needs some serious reason to publicly speak a warning. First of all, there need to be documented cases of harm (e.g. people who admitted to hospital / ER) . second, they will look on the product label and read "Acai berry", "cocoa seed", "Amino acids". Such a label does not contain anything exotic that would give reason to raise suspicion.

If the FDA knew that there is a special, undeclared substance in the product and if they'd received a number of case reports with people admitted to hospital, they would certainly have reacted earlier.
 
ottonis said:
The FDA needs some serious reason to publicly speak a warning. First of all, there need to be documented cases of harm (e.g. people who admitted to hospital / ER) . second, they will look on the product label and read "Acai berry", "cocoa seed", "Amino acids". Such a label does not contain anything exotic that would give reason to raise suspicion.

If the FDA knew that there is a special, undeclared substance in the product and if they'd received a number of case reports with people admitted to hospital, they would certainly have reacted earlier.
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Very well written and I fully agree that the FDA does not have strong enough case report evidence and the ingredient list isn't suspicious enough to warrant such a warning for SX.

As consumers we should try and thoroughly study every ingredient we supplement into our bodies and not just wait until the FDA to issue warnings to understand there might be risks.
 
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