Best Intra/Post workout supplements?
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AnthonyIOSOS
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Intrabolic or Purple Wrath.
juice3320
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SilentBob187
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Halloween's coming. BCAAs and Smarties. Cheap price on 100% Dextrose. Especially on November 1st. Last year I got 6lbs of em for about 5 bucks. They're an awesome pick-me-up during a long training session. And if you're sipping on some BCAAs you're doing even better.
Zero V
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whaaat? smarties r good? i luv em!
I always like xtend. i give it even to some none athletic friends after a long physical day and it does wonders. (BCAAs)
SilentBob187
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Hells yeah they're good, 100% Dextrose! Yeah BOI!!!! FLAVA FLAVE!
When I was training for longer than 90 minutes I'd take about 4-6 packs in the gym with me, each pack was 6g dextrose. Say what you will about dex vs maltodex vs wms, it's a good cheap pick me up.
juice3320
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Thanks guys! Yeah never thought of smarties, always used gatorade. But good idea! What do you guys think about mixing some protein and carbs into your during workout shake? Also are their any suggestion on post workout supps?
Irish Cannon
Legend
When I'm not on CKD, I do a mixture of Lipotropic Protein, brown rice flour, Perfect Carb, and Creatine Monohydrate. - If I'm on CKD, then I do 1hsc Lipotropic and 4T Flaxseed meal with some Creatine Monohydrate.
juice3320
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Good stuff man thanks! Hey guys, what do you guys think about mixing some xtend with some waxy maize and protein during workout as a homemade brew?
BiG in NYC 82
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IntrAbolic...no doubt. All Amino Acids (EAAs / BCAAs), Beta-Alanine, Leucine, Whey Hydro + Electrolytes.
All you want in an INTRA supp.
juice3320
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True story man it's def a VERY solid ingredient profile. I have about three tubs of xtend on hand so what do ya'll think about mixing it with some waxy maize and some WPI or maybe just mixing it in with some other intra workout supp or would ya'll just use a designer supp during workout? I will use the xtend no matter what as I sip 4-8 scoops throughout the day to promote a positive nitrogen balance ALL DAY LONG 
. Thanks guys.
. Thanks guys.
SilentBob187
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I'd leave out the protein personally. I used to do Xtend and WMS all the time though, worked great.
DaveGabe24
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True story man it's def a VERY solid ingredient profile. I have about three tubs of xtend on hand so what do ya'll think about mixing it with some waxy maize and some WPI or maybe just mixing it in with some other intra workout supp or would ya'll just use a designer supp during workout? I will use the xtend no matter what as I sip 4-8 scoops throughout the day to promote a positive nitrogen balance ALL DAY LONG
WPI defeats the purpose. The process of hydrolysis is what breaks the protein down to its di and tri peptides. WPI is still an intact protein and will require digestion, which naturally draws blood to your gut [not ideal during workouts].
IMO there still remains to be a product on the market that can hold a candle to IntrAbolic.
juice3320
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I was just talking about adding 5-10 grams of WPI to the shake as I saw in some research paper that it could be beneficial but yes whey would draw blood to the gut for digestion and hender a workout. So what do you guys think about drinking intrabolic during workout and then drinking dark matter post?
juice3320
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I may give this a shot 
. But I'm debating on just saving the xtend for sipping throughout the day. However, I do want to save some money if I can.
. But I'm debating on just saving the xtend for sipping throughout the day. However, I do want to save some money if I can.
DaveGabe24
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Save the WPI for another time, and Intra during with a post-workout shake/meal and then another meal is your ideal situation for muscle growth / recomp.
I may give this a shot
Eh, there's no real purpose in ffAA's throughout the day if you have a decent diet.
Unless you're working on refining the refractory period with spikes of EAA's in between meals. Than that's something difference in and of itself.
juice3320
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Unless you're working on refining the refractory period with spikes of EAA's in between meals. Than that's something difference in and of itself. -What do you mean by this?
And that was my plan for my bulk cycle
. I plan on Intra during, DM post, and a whole food meal 1-1.5 hours later. So if not sipping xtend throughout the day then what would I need to use it for?
DaveGabe24
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Unless you're working on refining the refractory period with spikes of EAA's in between meals. Than that's something difference in and of itself. -What do you mean by this?
And that was my plan for my bulk cycle
You could sprinkle it into IA / and DM, but other than that it doesn't really benefit you.
By having meals every 3 hours or so, your body never really has gaps where there are no amino acids.
However, Layne has come up with the idea that Leucine, etc. is able to stimulate additional protein synthesis and timing these doses can be beneficial.
juice3320
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Ok good stuff, I may add a couple scoops of xtend to IA and DM. But what do you recommend on timing and yeah I actually got the idea from talking to Derek.
BiG in NYC 82
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I think as you mentioned: IA (during) and DM (post) and food later is a fine idea. I agree with DG though in that if your diet consists of you eating every 2-3 hours then extra is not necessary. Though Layne's article was interesting and if you decide to do then I would like your feedback on it.
Again, adding Xtend to IA is unnecessary as IntrAbolic already has your aminos covered and more than enough Leucine for your workout.
Taking carbs INTRAwo is unnecessary as well, as it's been proven time after time that it shows no benefit unless training for 1.5 hours or more...and takinga slow digesting carb as WMS...well...not really sure how ppl would like it in their stomach or how ppl feel with it (bloating? etc.?)
islandmagic
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1.Intra-AiD secound is intrabolic
1.74 Lbs. Blue Raspberry
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Serving Size1Scoop(~32g)
Servings Per Container25
Amount Per Serving % DV*
Calories 72
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Sodium 100mg 4%
Potassium 100mg 3%
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1.74 Lbs. Blue Raspberry
Supplement Facts
Serving Size1Scoop(~32g)
Servings Per Container25
Amount Per Serving % DV*
Calories 72
Calories From Fat 0
Total Fat <1g 0%*
Saturated Fat 0g 0%*
Total Carbohydrates 10g 3%*
Sugar 5g **
Protein 8g 16%*
Calcium 50mg 5%
Magnesium 50mg 13%
Sodium 100mg 4%
Potassium 100mg 3%
Intra-Aid Proprietary Performance Blend 10,000mg
Beta Alanine **
Taurine **
Leucine **
Isoleucine **
Valine **
Arginine **
Histidine **
Lysine **
Methionine **
Phenylalanine **
Threonine *
BiG in NYC 82
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Though I would simply like to ask you, how much Beta-alanine? Leucine? % of Hydrolisis?
and from my personal experience, I have used it and while it's a fine product, I experienced bloating and really some uncomfortable feeling while working out...I am pretty sure it's from the sugar (D-glucose & WMS)
islandmagic
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I can not answers on the how much.. secound if you drink the Citrus Burst it is not heavy like the blue Raz... I was having the same issue unitI went to the Citrus bust.. I have also used intrabolic Green apple works good too but I find that it has to much BA in it for me... Think about this your pre workout drink if you use one has BA in it, your intra has BA how much is to much???? That is why I am taking a break from all the pre and intra drinks and just taking some Cre-02 and Citruvol XS for my next stack!
BiG in NYC 82
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Took both and nothing changed...same experiences. The ingredients didn't change..
And you are correct in the BA,...but that is if your preworkout drink has BA in it.
And I know exactly how much BA is in my INTRA workout drink.
So I have the ability to adjust accordingly.And Cordyceps is a solid supp to take! good luck with it!
Universal Rep
UniversalUSA.com
You're making a very broad generalization and I would dispute this. According to the ISSN (International Society of Sports Nutrition), considered by many to be the definitive word:
"Ingesting CHO along, or in combination with PRO, during resistance exercise increases muscle glycogen stores, offsets muscle damage, and facilitates greater training adaptations after acute and prolonged periods of resistance training."
BiG in NYC 82
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O HAI!!!!
And would that happen to be the study that recommends or showed increased benefit when training more than 1 hour?
("As exercise duration increases beyond 60 min, exogenuos sources of CHO become important to maintain blood glucose and muscle glycogen store").
And also had the individuals taking in more than 10g of carbs? If I am not mistaken, I saw the "definitive word" from ISSN that ingesting 6-8g of CHO per 100ml (or ~4oz of water)?
So approximately, ISSN recommends 30-60g of CHO per hour.
Joshua86
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I'll have to hit up the post-Halloween sales. I checked them out at Wal-Mart recently and they really weren't that great of a deal at that point.
juice3320
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So would working out for 35-45 minutes and then doing LI cardio for 30 min afterward count as over an hour of working out? I think so . So an intra supplement would be a great idea . In the case of the study, couldn't you make your own intra shake by mixing WMS, Xtend, and WPI(as I have about three tubs of xtend and if this would work it would be great)?
. So an intra supplement would be a great idea . In the case of the study, couldn't you make your own intra shake by mixing WMS, Xtend, and WPI(as I have about three tubs of xtend and if this would work it would be great)?
juice3320
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I have heard good things from WMS and I think I will try the approach of Xtend througout the day and let everyone know how it goes . I think I'll add maybe one scoop to the IA as I will be doing GVT and it will be VERY intense. Also the extra BCAA's that I take in if they don't get used they are water soluable so no harm there .
. I think I'll add maybe one scoop to the IA as I will be doing GVT and it will be VERY intense. Also the extra BCAA's that I take in if they don't get used they are water soluable so no harm there .
DaveGabe24
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So would working out for 35-45 minutes and then doing LI cardio for 30 min afterward count as over an hour of working out? I think so
I dont.
If you ingest carbs during your workout without intentions of having ANOTHER training bout in the same day, you are essentially inhibiting any fat oxidation preventing overall body recomp.
And again, read my post about WPI. It is NOTHING like hydrolyzed protein, and does NOT deliver the same benefits.
To this day, I cannot understand for the life of me, how this myth has been created that bodybuilders / weight lifters need to worry about glycogen replenishment. Don't you guys eat throughout the day??
BiG in NYC 82
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O HAI MANG!!
Universal Rep
UniversalUSA.com
O HAI!!!!
And would that happen to be the study that recommends or showed increased benefit when training more than 1 hour?
("As exercise duration increases beyond 60 min, exogenuos sources of CHO become important to maintain blood glucose and muscle glycogen store").
And also had the individuals taking in more than 10g of carbs? If I am not mistaken, I saw the "definitive word" from ISSN that ingesting 6-8g of CHO per 100ml (or ~4oz of water)?
So approximately, ISSN recommends 30-60g of CHO per hour.
I don't believe they are the same studies. The ones I'm referencing looked at a short period of resistance training, specifically, a single bout of weightlifting. The conclusions the researchers came to was that PRO/CHO suppresses resistance training-induced catabolism. In other words, that by supplementing with PRO/CHO during a short-term workout, this produced an anti-catabolic effect that favored anabolism. Carbs, in short, benefit the weight lifter beyond glycogen replenishment.
But before this becomes another episode of dueling pubmed, I return to my original point which was that your overly generalized comments that carbs were "unecessary" during weightlifting and that it has been "proven time after time" to have "no benefit" were a bit misleading at best. Science is a guide. It is not the definitive word.
juice3320
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Not so much worried about glyco replinishment but I am interested in carbs allowing the body to absorb certain nutrients better and more efficiently
juice3320
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I see what you are saying about the whey I was just wondering if adding a little WPI would be beneficial (say 5-10g?). So essentially what you are saying is just ingest IntrAbolic during workout and then hit up the dark matter post and then get in a good solid food meal 1-1.5 hours later? Sounds like a plan.
IronGodfather
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I am a size-on fan myself for intra-workout.
coachmorin
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Pre work-out: 2500mg of Beta alanine supreme(with creatine) 15 minutes before workout
During: After 20 minutes in the workout, 4 scoops BCAA mix 1 L of water+2500mg of beta alanine supreme(with creatine)
Post work-out: 2 scoops of Whey Isolat+10g glutamine+1 scoop BCAA+1\2 cups of small berries (or 2 scoops of Primal Red)
During: After 20 minutes in the workout, 4 scoops BCAA mix 1 L of water+2500mg of beta alanine supreme(with creatine)
Post work-out: 2 scoops of Whey Isolat+10g glutamine+1 scoop BCAA+1\2 cups of small berries (or 2 scoops of Primal Red)
BiG in NYC 82
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how much creatine is that supplement that you are taking it PRE and INTRA...just wondering..?
coachmorin
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Beta Alanine Suprem Poliquin: 1 cap=
400mg of Beta alanine
350mg of Micronized creatine monohydrate
Right now pre= 7caps and during = 7 caps. This is for 6 weeks. Then I will redo my biosig to see changes...And we will adjust accordingly like all my supplementation protocol.
400mg of Beta alanine
350mg of Micronized creatine monohydrate
Right now pre= 7caps and during = 7 caps. This is for 6 weeks. Then I will redo my biosig to see changes...And we will adjust accordingly like all my supplementation protocol.
BiG in NYC 82
Member
ahh..gotcha. Thanks!
Though why caps and why not opt for powder that you can mix in a drink or such? Prefer caps?
coachmorin
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yes prefer caps...in my water I already have BCAA and if I put Beta alanine into it, it won't mix. Also it is easier to take this way for me.
freqtravel
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I take a 2lb bag of dextrose and pour it in a gallon jug along with 2 packs of kool-aid. Shake that sh*t up and you have homemade cell-tech. I drink 10oz along with water during workouts. Provides around 70g- 75g of dex and keeps me pumped up throughout the workout. I'll also mix in a little protein if I am running behind that day... but it ruins the flavor and is harder to choke down.
BiG in NYC 82
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naturalguy
Universal Nutrition
In my opinion Intra-Aid & Torrent are the best, feel free to compare formulas:
Intra-Aid:
8 grams of high quality hydrolyzed whey
10 grams of free form amino's including all the BCAA's & EAA's
beta alanine
electrolytes
a great carb blend
Torrent:
20 grams of high quality hydrolyzed whey
8 grams of Leucine (the anabolic trigger)
7 grams of cell volumizers
3 grams of creatine
a great carb blend
You can really push it in the gym with the support of these formulas.
Intra-Aid:
8 grams of high quality hydrolyzed whey
10 grams of free form amino's including all the BCAA's & EAA's
beta alanine
electrolytes
a great carb blend
Torrent:
20 grams of high quality hydrolyzed whey
8 grams of Leucine (the anabolic trigger)
7 grams of cell volumizers
3 grams of creatine
a great carb blend
You can really push it in the gym with the support of these formulas.