SHBG, Free T and Suplementation
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monsterbox
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if your trying to go natural route, trust me, Diesel Test Hardcore is the way to go. It has everything in it.
However, if you want some serious testosterone increase, Clomiphene Citrate 25mg/day + an AI like Formex to keep the SHBG down would be crazy.
However, if you want some serious testosterone increase, Clomiphene Citrate 25mg/day + an AI like Formex to keep the SHBG down would be crazy.
UNCnate
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Absolutely. The logs are looking promising so far.
Rodja
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Thank you. The recommendations are getting ridiculous. It's sadly becoming accepted for people to triple stack orals.
OP, there are 2 herbs that have been shown to increase free test: fenugreek (Testofen) and stinging nettle (Divanil). IMO, Testofen is more potent on the libido and moderate on the body comp/strength effects. Divanil feels slightly more androgenic, but not too much libido enhancement.
Either way,combine with Icariin for a potent stack.
UNCnate
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100% agreed.
Testofen + Divanil + Icariin is as potent of a natural testosterone booster combination you are going to get.
machinehead
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In my experience, testofen doesn't free up test. It binds to the receptor just like test does and that's why there is a rise in free testosterone - there are not many receptors left for it to bind. The best strength stack I have run is phyto-test from PP and 3g of L-carnitine-L-tartrate from custom capsule. The carnitine increases the number of receptors in muscle and testofen binds to them. Strength increases were better than any androgen I have taken. The first time I used phyto-test without carnitine I didn't get those at all, just improved recovery.
So I'd say either take testofen with carnitine or divanil with carnitine. Taking all 3 may not work better than either one with carnitine. There is only one way to find out.
So I'd say either take testofen with carnitine or divanil with carnitine. Taking all 3 may not work better than either one with carnitine. There is only one way to find out.
Rodja
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PLCAR is even more potent.
machinehead
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Next on the list to try.
jinxie
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Pardon the ignorance, but what does the P stand for? Is this form of Carnitine expensive?
jinxie
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How does these play with hCG? I am secondary hypogonadal. Total Test now runs around 950. I've been wanting to try divinyl (stinging nettles extract) but really don't want to be spending another $1 per day. It adds up, as everyone knows.
Thanks for the tread.
monsterbox
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wtf are you guys talking about..."what is this forum coming too recommending clomid blah blah blah....
If you actuallly opened your eyes and read my post, I recommened DTHC for freeing up testosterone.
As well all know, herbs don't do THAT much. Some people have results, some people don't. If your SHBG is way up due to older age and estradiol increases, sometimes it may be a good idea to consider running an AI or something like clomid. The recommendation is not rediculous. Lots of people try out some pointless herbs, then go to the doc and get on TRT. They and the doctor don't have a clue about an AI or other methods to try before hand.
If you actuallly opened your eyes and read my post, I recommened DTHC for freeing up testosterone.
As well all know, herbs don't do THAT much. Some people have results, some people don't. If your SHBG is way up due to older age and estradiol increases, sometimes it may be a good idea to consider running an AI or something like clomid. The recommendation is not rediculous. Lots of people try out some pointless herbs, then go to the doc and get on TRT. They and the doctor don't have a clue about an AI or other methods to try before hand.
jbryand101b
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whats wrong with tripple stacking orals? it's okay to stack multiple injectables, but not orals?
it isn't how many steroids you take, it's how much of that particular steroid that can cause a problem.
heavens no, dont stack sd/pp/hd together with a base of 4-diol, that would be suicide, instead, stack trenbolone with deca, with a test base, kick started with dbol instead, that is better.
**steps off soap box**
to answer the ops question, I like animal stak as a total test booster. good product.
it isn't how many steroids you take, it's how much of that particular steroid that can cause a problem.
heavens no, dont stack sd/pp/hd together with a base of 4-diol, that would be suicide, instead, stack trenbolone with deca, with a test base, kick started with dbol instead, that is better.
**steps off soap box**
to answer the ops question, I like animal stak as a total test booster. good product.
monsterbox
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I think hes referring to stacking methyl oral steroids. Which is stupid. But, I dont see how my "recommendation" which was just a suggestion, considering i've done both DTHC and clomid+AI comes even close to as idiotic as suggesting stacking methyls.
jbryand101b
Banned
well, like I said. it isn't how many orals you stack, but how much of the oral steroid you take in that will cause more sides. just like how much of a particular injectable you take in will determine side effects.
orals effect the liver more so than injectables, that is true. but injectables still effect the liver.
hepatotoxicity of oral steroids is over rated, and safe for any healthy adult male, I repeat healthy. how do you know if you're healthy, blood work, phsycial, etc.
liver enzymes go up, but they will return to normal if you know what you are doing and are healthy.
Liftingstud
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I was looking at:
testofen + stoked + glycobol + AA + igf2
yes $$$$ but covers all bases.... Natty test increase, test receptor increase, insulin/GLUT4 and GH relsease stimulator
UNCnate
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propionyl l carnitine
Its not too expensive. A lot less expensive than it used to be.
WHOA.
jinxie
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will that and NAC do much for me if I am just on hCG? My free t could use a little work.
tia.
monsterbox
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no, thats not true. Supderdrol alone made my ALT raise to 600. I am healthy Your liver is never safe.
machinehead
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You could try transdermal DHEA (Dermacrine) for increasing bioavailable test. But that probably comes at the cost of increased 5-alpha reduced metabolites.
Carnitine increases the number of receptors in muscle only, I think.
UNCnate
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I wouldnt expect it to do anything in regards to free testosterone.
Liftingstud
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That a good "WHOA?"
UNCnate
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It would be interesting to see, thats for sure. Should make some huge gains.
Liftingstud
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you guys at AI want to sponser another log and I will run it??? I will provide the other supps from other companies.
UNCnate
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At high enough doses and for long enough periods of time, yes you will run into a problem.
But, neither of these happen with the supplements out today as long as you keep it to normal doses and length.
kingdong
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So is there less of a consequence than what you would get from say mild test booster?
Rodja
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The body will quickly return to homeostasis after cessation of use. This was a topic of interest a few years back when DS came out with the NHA Stack.
UNCnate
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Right. Within ~ 3 weeks all your blood work returns to baseline levels.
