2009 College Football Season

BUCKNUTS said:
If that were me and my wife the end of that video would be in an evidence cage at a police station and would have featured me barreling into that crowd of idiots in my suv. You can dis-respect my Buckeyes all you want (they deserve it) but throwing sh!t at my wife :nono:
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I dunno...i watched that over and over and i dont see any concrete evidence of that being his wife. That reminds me of the time i wore my Dallas cowboys Jersey to a dallas/eagles game in Philly.........NEVER AGAIN!!!!
 
rubberring said:
I'm Bill Kurtis... and I'm faster than the Big Ten.

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rubberring, i can't help but notice your strong admiration for the male anatomy. I've seen you posted pics of Zack Effron shirtless on another topic. I can understand your motives for leaving the deep south, but, frankly, the bay area is really starting to catch up with you.
 
Heisman Watch: Cal's Jahvid Best

Two games: 28 carries for 280 yards, 53 more yards in receiving, and 3 TDs.

Next up -- undefeated Minnesota... with a Big Ten defense who gave up 256 yards rushing to Air Force today.

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plenny said:
rubberring, i can't help but notice your strong admiration for the male anatomy. I've seen you posted pics of Zack Effron shirtless on another topic. I can understand your motives for leaving the deep south, but, frankly, the bay area is really starting to catch up with you.
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The fact that the only thing you noticed in that post was male anatomy... speaks volumes.

Bay Area/gay references are so always unique and clever.:yawn:
 
THE TYPICAL UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA GRADUATE..( as long as they play football..we'll pass them)
 

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rubberring said:
Heisman Watch: Cal's Jahvid Best

Two games: 28 carries for 280 yards, 53 more yards in receiving, and 3 TDs.

Next up -- undefeated Minnesota... with a Big Ten defense who gave up 256 yards rushing to Air Force today.

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minnesota is to the big10 as Vandy or South Carolina is to the SEC.:bling:
 
Another great day of college football in the books.

I can't believe the UH Cougars beat Oklahoma State. That is a huge win for them.

The tailgating for the UH-Texas Tech game in 2 weeks will probably be huge for a Cougar game.
 
BUCKNUTS said:
I just had an epiphany! I care way to much about this sh!t I'm done caring/worrying about sports. I've also has ALOT to drink tonight so that may change tomorrow.
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Im sure that has changed already. My attitude is a lot better today than last night. Beer puts up "blinders" and I don't say good things or act right. It still sux to lose to Michigan like that. If it weren't for our mistakes, we would have the W. (Missed field goal, holding, etc.)
 
BabyHulk said:
Im sure that has changed already. My attitude is a lot better today than last night. Beer puts up "blinders" and I don't say good things or act right. It still sux to lose to Michigan like that. If it weren't for our mistakes, we would have the W. (Missed field goal, holding, etc.)
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I know it's no consolation to an Irish fan, it isn't me as a Buckeye fan, but that was a good game to watch. The game went back and forth a bit, a lot of points were scored it was fun to watch. I don't want to hear from anyone about speed today, USC was clearly NOT a faster, more athletic football team. OSU's coaching staff has to take the blame for this loss. Also so far in spite of all the hype Pryor cannot carry Troy Smith's jock, he misses reads, he gets flustered and makes to many mistakes because of it. He is young and hopefully he'll get better but at this point he needs a lot of work.
 
BUCKNUTS said:
What the heck has happened? The first 5 years of the Tressel era we won all the big games now this past 4 years we can't win any of them.
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like you said, terrelle still needs quite a bit of polishing. Big drop off from the 1st half to the 2nd, and he wasn't exactly spectacular in the first.

Defense looked great though, just seeemed too much like the staff was content to sit on the 5 point lead. No defense in the country is going to punt back and forth with USC for a whole half and not get scored on eventually.

Obviously, the time left on the clock at the end of the first half is now a factor- the most notoriously conservative coach in big time football picked a bad time to take some shots downfield and gave USC just enough time. Needless to say, the 7 point lead they were spotted (which was still stopped til 4th down) doesn't help.

I'd also really like to see some faster developing plays on 3rd and short...why run the slow developing guard pull play to give to herron when you can qb sneak with someone who weighs 40 pounds more?

Ultimaely, the loss sucks, I am secretly relieved it wasn't a repeat of last year, and I hope this doesn't keep them down for too long and they win out and go to a good bowl, because I'd the defense plays like that and offense develops some they can play with anyone short of Florida.
 
rubber's week #2 analysis of the USA Today Top 25 Coaches' Poll

1. Florida - Until someone knocks them off, no one can argue with the 56 first place votes.
2. Texas - Still getting warmed up. Some special teams issues.
3. USC - While many Buckeye fans are thinking, "We almost had 'em," most Trojans are like, "Dude... wtf???"
4. Alabama - See #2.
5. Penn State - Way over-ranked, but their sad schedule will keep them in the top 10 all season.
6. Ole Miss - I suspect the Rebels are a bit over-ranked and over-hyped.
7. LSU - These guys are flying below the radar... and are very dangerous. Could win the SEC West.
8. Cal - Firing on all cylinders. No excuse not to beat USC and win the Pac-10.
9. BYU - Whatever.
10. Boise State - Won't lose again. Say hi to one of your BCS title game teams. Sadly enough... not kidding.
11. Ohio State - Pryor, the run game, and play-calling fail to deliver.
12. Oklahoma - Probably more dangerous ranked outside of the top 10
13. Georgia Tech - What happens if they have to play from behind?
14. V-Tech - Much improved this week.
15. TCU - Trying to hang with the big boys.
16. Utah - Not last year's team.
17. Oklahoma State - Blame the coach. He's a man. He's 40... or 41.
18. Nebraska - Up and coming.
19. N. Carolina - Mediocre at best.
20. Georgia - Wait... why are they ranked?
21. Cincinnati - Class of their conference.
22. Miami - Defense is shoddy, but QB is a cool cucumber.
23. Kansas - Honestly... who cares?
24. Oregon State - Bipolar... like their former-Bama-player coach.
25. Missouri - See #23.

**Imo, Georgia and Missouri should be tossed out and replaced with Auburn and Michigan.

Share your thoughts...
 
BUCKNUTS said:
I know it's no consolation to an Irish fan, it isn't me as a Buckeye fan, but that was a good game to watch. ...... OSU's coaching staff has to take the blame for this loss.
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Yeah, both ND and OSU have got nothing to be ashamed of, though I know that's no consolation to you guys.

BUCKNUTS, I certainly agree with your beef about the coaching - especially your defensive coach Heacok who seems to call very conservative and unflexible games against high quality spread and/or fast offensives. He's been that way for past few years now, from OSU - Florida in 2006 BCS to that last USC game ending 90 yard drive. His play calling actually handicaps the great natural ability of the OSU athletes on defense IMO, who played a great game in spite of his schemes. It may work in the Big 10, but it's killing you in your big out-of-conference games.

BTW, Did any of you catch Lame Kiffin burying his head into his playbook in that 4th quarter of UCLA game like he was afraid to look?? Christ, he'll need a BLINDFOLD this weekend in Gainesville!!

And I'm definitely with Plenny on this one - a Penn State tailgate is just great. I can't compare it to many others because I haven't been to many others, but I will say I enjoy PSU tailgates more than the ones I've been to in The Swamp with my daughter. I think it's the scenery, the mountains, the valley, with Beaver Stadium floating there likes it's halfway to heaven. I had a great time yesterday at Happy Valley where we tailgated from the end of the game (around 3:30) to dusk.

Headed to Gainesville Weds to hang out with Samantha and watch UF/Tenn on Saturday.
I'll bring Kiffin's blindfold.
 
OldGator said:
Yeah, both ND and OSU have got nothing to be ashamed of, though I know that's no consolation to you guys.

BUCKNUTS, I certainly agree with your beef about the coaching - especially your defensive coach Heacok who seems to call very conservative and unflexible games against high quality spread and/or fast offensives. He's been that way for past few years now, from OSU - Florida in 2006 BCS to that last USC game ending 90 yard drive. His play calling actually handicaps the great natural ability of the OSU athletes on defense IMO, who played a great game in spite of his schemes. It may work in the Big 10, but it's killing you in your big out-of-conference games.

BTW, Did any of you catch Lame Kiffin burying his head into his playbook in that 4th quarter of UCLA game like he was afraid to look?? Christ, he'll need a BLINDFOLD this weekend in Gainesville!!

And I'm definitely with Plenny on this one - a Penn State tailgate is just great. I can't compare it to many others because I haven't been to many others, but I will say I enjoy PSU tailgates more than the ones I've been to in The Swamp with my daughter. I think it's the scenery, the mountains, the valley, with Beaver Stadium floating there likes it's halfway to heaven. I had a great time yesterday at Happy Valley where we tailgated from the end of the game (around 3:30) to dusk.

Headed to Gainesville Weds to hang out with Samantha and watch UF/Tenn on Saturday.
I'll bring Kiffin's blindfold.
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Old Gator this exactly right. Ever since Mark Dantonio left we do not make adjustments on defense. When Dantonio was there Ohio State's defense was among the country's best, now we play aggressive until we have a lead then get into our bend until you break zone defense and it kills us every time. I truly believe it is time for a change of defensive staff at OSU and until we make that change we will continue to have these results and be the laughing stock.
 
BUCKNUTS said:
I truly believe it is time for a change of defensive staff at OSU and until we make that change we will continue to have these results and be the laughing stock.
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OSU certainly is far from a "laughing stock" IMO. You just need a defensive staff on par with your athletes.

Look at Florida. It's great athletes are ALWAYS being challenged by a great coaching staff.
I like Tressel but that Heacok has got to go.
 
warnerve said:
like you said, terrelle still needs quite a bit of polishing. Big drop off from the 1st half to the 2nd, and he wasn't exactly spectacular in the first.

Defense looked great though, just seeemed too much like the staff was content to sit on the 5 point lead. No defense in the country is going to punt back and forth with USC for a whole half and not get scored on eventually.

Obviously, the time left on the clock at the end of the first half is now a factor- the most notoriously conservative coach in big time football picked a bad time to take some shots downfield and gave USC just enough time. Needless to say, the 7 point lead they were spotted (which was still stopped til 4th down) doesn't help.

I'd also really like to see some faster developing plays on 3rd and short...why run the slow developing guard pull play to give to herron when you can qb sneak with someone who weighs 40 pounds more?

Ultimaely, the loss sucks, I am secretly relieved it wasn't a repeat of last year, and I hope this doesn't keep them down for too long and they win out and go to a good bowl, because I'd the defense plays like that and offense develops some they can play with anyone short of Florida.
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Yeah I was yelling QB sneak at the tv. When you are playing a quick defense
why would you run such a slow developing play? This is the second week in a row that Senator Tressel made a very questionable coaching decision, last week against Navy electing to go for it on 4th down instead of kicking a field goal that for all intensive purposes ends that game, and then the decision to not kill the clock at the end of the first half of this game. I really believe this loss is squarely on the shoulders of the coaching staff, the players were at least the equal of USC's players.
 
OldGator said:
OSU certainly is far from a "laughing stock" IMO. You just need a defensive staff on par with your athletes.

Look at Florida. It's great athletes are ALWAYS being challenged by a great coaching staff.
I like Tressel but that Heacok has got to go.
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Out of curiosity did you or any one else (rubbering) hear Urban Meyer comment on how the wet field slowed things down? I thought of all you guys who scoff at weather affecting play when he made that comment and I laughed.
 
BUCKNUTS said:
Out of curiosity did you or any one else (rubbering) hear Urban Meyer comment on how the wet field slowed things down? I thought of all you guys who scoff at weather affecting play when he made that comment and I laughed.
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Didn't hear that.

The only "wet field" I can think of is the Tennessee sideline next Saturday when the Vols collectively pee their pantys.
 
BUCKNUTS said:
Old Gator this exactly right. Ever since Mark Dantonio left we do not make adjustments on defense. When Dantonio was there Ohio State's defense was among the country's best, now we play aggressive until we have a lead then get into our bend until you break zone defense and it kills us every time. I truly believe it is time for a change of defensive staff at OSU and until we make that change we will continue to have these results and be the laughing stock.
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Agree completely about the defensive coordinator, I've felt that way since the Florida national championship game. I dunno if it's pride or what, but they refuse to adjust when faced with equal or superior talent. There's no shame in your linebacker not being able to cover mcknight one on one, and he killed us that last drive. They took it to USC for 54 minutes then sat back and hoped they wouldn't score in time.
 
warnerve said:
Agree completely about the defensive coordinator, I've felt that way since the Florida national championship game. I dunno if it's pride or what, but they refuse to adjust when faced with equal or superior talent. There's no shame in your linebacker not being able to cover mcknight one on one, and he killed us that last drive. They took it to USC for 54 minutes then sat back and hoped they wouldn't score in time.
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Yeah and what sucks is that it's the players who will be unfairly characterized as to slow, to unathletic blah, blah, blah when that was clearly not the case last night.
 
OldGator said:
Didn't hear that.

The only "wet field" I can think of is the Tennessee sideline next Saturday when the Vols collectively pee their pantys.
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They are going to roll Tennessee and you know with all of Lame's crap this off season they will do so with a little extra relish.
 
BUCKNUTS said:
Out of curiosity did you or any one else (rubbering) hear Urban Meyer comment on how the wet field slowed things down? I thought of all you guys who scoff at weather affecting play when he made that comment and I laughed.
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Yeah, the weather did a number on 'em. They only scored 56... instead of the 77 I expected them to.:lol:

I didn't think Ohio State looked slow, and I doubt that anyone knowledgeable will assert that. However, Pryor just hasn't panned out so far, as you mentioned. His inability to make quick decisions can create the illusion that the opponent's defense is speedier than they really are. I heard Musburger (douche) commenting on how fast the USC DB reacted on that interception on the first possession, when it clearly had more to do with Pryor's bonehead read.

I agree that the defensive play-calling on the final drive was horrendous. However, I just have to believe that when you hold a team like USC to 18 points, your offense should be able to get you the "W"... period. If someone had told you before the game that your defense would hold the Trojans to only two TDs, you'd have felt pretty darn good going in.

I'm an Alabama fan, so believe me... I know what conservative looks like. However, Bama's always had a back who can break the long one. In fact, I can't remember them being without that kind of a threat... in my lifetime. The Buckeyes don't seem to have that type of player this year, but the play-calling still remained ultra-conservative. USC didn't need to respect the run at all (2.8 yds per carry / 88 yards total). Then, at the most inopportune moment, they let Pryor throw the long ball and the clock stops. ((???))

I think after USC plays Cal and OSU plays Penn State, we'll be able to better understand the big picture here. If the Golden Bears are able to drive the ball down the Trojans throat, it may mean that your defense is off the hook. Also, let's face it... you're not going to run on Penn State. Penn State will not be able to run on you. So, what then will be the difference? The answer: One squad's going to open up the offensive playbook. For your sake, I hope that team wears scarlet and gray.
 
rubberring said:
Yeah, the weather did a number on 'em. They only scored 56... instead of the 77 I expected them to.:lol:

I didn't think Ohio State looked slow, and I doubt that anyone knowledgeable will assert that. However, Pryor just hasn't panned out so far, as you mentioned. His inability to make quick decisions can create the illusion that the opponent's defense is speedier than they really are. I heard Musburger (douche) commenting on how fast the USC DB reacted on that interception on the first possession, when it clearly had more to do with Pryor's bonehead read.

I agree that the defensive play-calling on the final drive was horrendous. However, I just have to believe that when you hold a team like USC to 18 points, your offense should be able to get you the "W"... period. If someone had told you before the game that your defense would hold the Trojans to only two TDs, you'd have felt pretty darn good going in.

I'm an Alabama fan, so believe me... I know what conservative looks like. However, Bama's always had a back who can break the long one. In fact, I can't remember them being without that kind of a threat... in my lifetime. The Buckeyes don't seem to have that type of player this year, but the play-calling still remained ultra-conservative. USC didn't need to respect the run at all (2.8 yds per carry / 88 yards total). Then, at the most inopportune moment, they let Pryor throw the long ball and the clock stops. ((???))

I think after USC plays Cal and OSU plays Penn State, we'll be able to better understand the big picture here. If the Golden Bears are able to drive the ball down the Trojans throat, it may mean that your defense is off the hook. Also, let's face it... you're not going to run on Penn State. Penn State will not be able to run on you. So, what then will be the difference? The answer: One squad's going to open up the offensive playbook. For your sake, I hope that team wears scarlet and gray.
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You are correct they killed them but a reporter asked about the slow start and Meyer mentioned the weather slowing things down at which point I did have a chuckle. The lack of a running game may have something to do with the USC defense, but I would agree we lack a top flight running back. There is a possibility that we will see USC again Jan 1st, 2010 in Pasadena, California.
 
BUCKNUTS said:
I know it's no consolation to an Irish fan, it isn't me as a Buckeye fan, but that was a good game to watch. The game went back and forth a bit, a lot of points were scored it was fun to watch. I don't want to hear from anyone about speed today, USC was clearly NOT a faster, more athletic football team. OSU's coaching staff has to take the blame for this loss. Also so far in spite of all the hype Pryor cannot carry Troy Smith's jock, he misses reads, he gets flustered and makes to many mistakes because of it. He is young and hopefully he'll get better but at this point he needs a lot of work.
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ya know, prior committed to penn state (verbally)...but at the last minute he said happy valley was "too rural" for him. Imagine that, basing a decision on an urban campus(columbus,oh).....you can have him....D-Clark is better
 
BUCKNUTS said:
You are correct they killed them but a reporter asked about the slow start and Meyer mentioned the weather slowing things down at which point I did have a chuckle. The lack of a running game may have something to do with the USC defense, but I would agree we lack a top flight running back.

yeah, in pasedena.....play in columbus in january and see how it pans out...start preppin these kids for the "real world"
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plenny said:
ya know, prior committed to penn state (verbally)...but at the last minute he said happy valley was "too rural" for him. Imagine that, basing a decision on an urban campus(columbus,oh).....you can have him....D-Clark is better
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Dude, you're a lil' slow sometimes. I guess you don't know that "This place is too rural" is urban-speak for "What a bunch of inbred douche bags!" :lol:
 
BingeAndPurge said:
Greetings from Iraq. I'll be up at 3am here watching the OSU kickoff, hoping I'm not in bed trying to sleep away my shame by 330
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BINGE!!!!!

Man - I was wondering about you. I'm glad you are OK. I knew you were on active duty.

You are one of the originals left on here. We had some good times and good arguments.

Be safe, brother.
 
rubberring said:
Oklahoma State: We just beat a mediocre SEC team!!! Yes!!! Pasadena, here we come!!!

University of Houston: Oh... hey guys.

:lol::lol::lol:
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The head coach at UH is no joke. Kevin Sumlin was the co-OC under Stoops at OU. We tried in vain to get him - he knew he'd pick up an HC job.

That dude is headed places, big time. When he decides to leave, that is.

Helluva job by the Coogs.
 
BabyHulk said:
yeah...we suck...just like everybody said...and its all Weis fat ass fault too. Fire him huh. That will work. No matter how sh*tty a team plays...blame the coach. No matter the calls. Its amazing the Big 10 officials called us on every single big play.
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You know as much as I hate you guys for ducking us and the myriad of douche ND fans that are around (not you - you know what I mean) but I have to give Clausen credit.

I think that kid is seeing the light and starting to get to where he was rated to be.

That said - the WR's did him no good. But that WR Floyd is a baller! Big time.
May be the best player on your roster.
 
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plenny said:
mark may and dr lou dont know ****!!! DR lou also said ND would go undefeated.......please!!! and anotherr thing ESPN is out to get the big10...i know...im not happy with their play so far...mich st. for instance, i thought would be a front runner...penn state played like ****today. If i was You i would worry about your "cupcake" that you're about to choke on...
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LOL at Holtz' in the pre-game. He's one big reason why I root for ND to loose.

Michigan State - LOL.

BabyHulk said:
All BS aside, did anyone else think that game was poorly officiated? There's no excuse for losing today, but some of the calls I couldn't believe.
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I was watching 3 games at the same time - UT/UCLA, ND/UM, OSU-UH. But I didn't think it was particularly bad.

plenny said:
congrats to Florida on their "hard fought" victory today....the may as well schedule my highschool team next year.
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Yeah the non-conference record of the Gators is pretty damn bad. I are not surprised though.

rubberring said:
Buckeyes defense played great for 3.75 quarters. Definitely agree with you about the last drive though. They sat back, and the pretty-boy, Hollywood freshman marched them right down the field. Gotta hand it to the kid, he maintained his poise.

Pryor fails to impress me in any way whatsoever. Your offensive coordinator might be the one who deserves the heat.
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Agree and Agree. The offense is set up all wrong for Pryor. Period.

They need to figure out how they are going to utilize TP's strengths. He'll never be a pocket passer.

Finally - Matt Barkley against Jacory Harris in the 2011 Fiesta Bowl. ;)

BUCKNUTS said:
Guess who moved to the top of the heap in the pick em game?
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Where is this pick 'em game? Is it a thread? Or on yahoo?
Hook me up.
 
More multi-quotes.

texaswolf said:
Another great day of college football in the books.

I can't believe the UH Cougars beat Oklahoma State. That is a huge win for them.

The tailgating for the UH-Texas Tech game in 2 weeks will probably be huge for a Cougar game.
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Big boy - I went to the LSU-Vandy tailgate scene and had some good food. Stuff I shouldn't have eaten but whatever.

You need to come over sometime to BR.

Rustang said:
cant agree more... campus is silent today
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Worse than after the Sugar Bowl??

BUCKNUTS said:
What the heck has happened? The first 5 years of the Tressel era we won all the big games now this past 4 years we can't win any of them.
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You have our 6th national title. Give it back. And the Devil will let you win games again. :evil:

OldGator said:
And I'm definitely with Plenny on this one - a Penn State tailgate is just great. I can't compare it to many others because I haven't been to many others, but I will say I enjoy PSU tailgates more than the ones I've been to in The Swamp with my daughter. I think it's the scenery, the mountains, the valley, with Beaver Stadium floating there likes it's halfway to heaven. I had a great time yesterday at Happy Valley where we tailgated from the end of the game (around 3:30) to dusk.

Headed to Gainesville Weds to hang out with Samantha and watch UF/Tenn on Saturday.
I'll bring Kiffin's blindfold.
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PFFFFFFT! No way. The women in Gainesville are so much more better looking than Happy Valley.

I was in G'ville last week and wow.
That makes for scenery that is needed at a tailgate.
 
Tate Forcier > Terrell Pryor.

Period.

Can't believe Pryor turned down Rich Rod. That offense is what he needs to be in.
 
OldGator said:
Yeah, both ND and OSU have got nothing to be ashamed of, though I know that's no consolation to you guys.

BUCKNUTS, I certainly agree with your beef about the coaching - especially your defensive coach Heacok who seems to call very conservative and unflexible games against high quality spread and/or fast offensives. He's been that way for past few years now, from OSU - Florida in 2006 BCS to that last USC game ending 90 yard drive. His play calling actually handicaps the great natural ability of the OSU athletes on defense IMO, who played a great game in spite of his schemes. It may work in the Big 10, but it's killing you in your big out-of-conference games.

BTW, Did any of you catch Lame Kiffin burying his head into his playbook in that 4th quarter of UCLA game like he was afraid to look?? Christ, he'll need a BLINDFOLD this weekend in Gainesville!!

And I'm definitely with Plenny on this one - a Penn State tailgate is just great. I can't compare it to many others because I haven't been to many others, but I will say I enjoy PSU tailgates more than the ones I've been to in The Swamp with my daughter. I think it's the scenery, the mountains, the valley, with Beaver Stadium floating there likes it's halfway to heaven. I had a great time yesterday at Happy Valley where we tailgated from the end of the game (around 3:30) to dusk. Headed to Gainesville Weds to hang out with Samantha and watch UF/Tenn on Saturday.
I'll bring Kiffin's blindfold.
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you really do have to be there to realize it. i hereby appoint you, old gator, as spokesman to convince your incoherant SEC conf. that happy valley is like no other on a saturday afternoon/evening.....btw..penn state looked pitiful..o-line sucks 9no run game ) and sloppy d-fense
 
jmh80 said:
More multi-quotes.
PFFFFFFT! No way. The women in Gainesville are so much more better looking than Happy Valley.

I was in G'ville last week and wow.
That makes for scenery that is needed at a tailgate.
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Ditto here.
 
old gator, im sorry you had to watch psu play poorly..but a wins a win. now tell me, how would florida or alabama stack up in happy valley in november????? last nites noise at OSU was a factor in the USC game.
 
jmh80 said:
More multi-quotes.



Big boy - I went to the LSU-Vandy tailgate scene and had some good food. Stuff I shouldn't have eaten but whatever.

You need to come over sometime to BR.



Worse than after the Sugar Bowl??



You have our 6th national title. Give it back. And the Devil will let you win games again. :evil:



PFFFFFFT! No way. The women in Gainesville are so much more better looking than Happy Valley.

I was in G'ville last week and wow.
That makes for scenery that is needed at a tailgate.

source please!!
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