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Recomp cycle results & conclusions

A SHOW?! I wish, i dunno, it's so daunting for me, i mean like i've got so many problems with bodybuilding. My symmetry is all off, it's genetic, not much I can do about it. I need to tan my whole body and pose and I just don't know what to do. I'd have to do contest prep and get my bodyfat even lower, and then the show prep & do a carbup without retaining water, i just don't know what to do, it's beyond me.

Maybe in the future sometime...? I mean hopefully next year I can run a real long injectable cycle and actually put some mass on my frame, after that I'd be much more intimidating. If i want to compete there's weak spots I'd need to hit. My forearms, cuz I don't train them. My calves & legs, because they're cut but they're still too small. I am missing lat width, missing it badly, lots of pulldowns don't seem to help.

Anyway it's something i'd do in the future, if i can get some TIME and MONEY and train a bit more like a bodybuilder for a while, and improve my weakspots.

I just lift for fun right now, no other reason.
 
Oh also wanted to add, day 5 of PCT and so far on my lift days strength has been equal to or better than the last week on cycle. So far, so good. I think the hardness & vascularity are toned down a bit but still look good. Weight is exactly the same.
 
Unreal, I read some older post about phera and possible heart enlargement and cardio being discouraged... How did you feel during your cycle? I'm thinking about using my phera before it expires and before "the ban", if there is one.
 
I felt great, my cardio was fine, and still is. I've increased my endurance greatly from doing so much. Not too worried, i was on the phera all of 2.5 weeks.

No need to use your phera before it expires, they're always good past the expiration date. People still pay out the ass for Original AX Superdrol bottles from 2005. And don't feel rushed to use it before the ban, they're not gonna raid your house.
 
Thanks. Don't apologize for being late! haha, all good, glad to have people commenting.

Anyway, PCT day 6, same weight, was worried about my weight starting to dip a couple days ago (210 weigh in) but increased calories slightly. I intend to keep calories up around 200 during PCT. And after PCT maybe raise another 200 and start bulking.

I am still lifting 4x a week and doing cardio... around 8x a week.

Last 5 nights my PCT was this
Clomid 150mg
Nolva 20mg

I have no sides from the high dosed clomid. And today I have felt especially good, especially after eating a lot of good meat. Will try to eat big & clean and keep the cardio up for PCT. I think test must be returning quickly, as my libido is starting to increase. I'll update on that to see if i'm just jumping to conclusions. But the last time I used clomid my libido went nuts and I got crazy acne and oily skin. Worse than on cycle. This time i'm using more clomid ;)
 
this has been an awesome review - you have a great way of articulating your progress and rational - awesome results Unreal :thumbsup:
 
Tomahawk88 said:
I have been following this so I might as well sub.
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cool. I'll keep updating during my PCT

I'm really excited about this PCT, last time I did a recomp my PCT was awesome because I didn't have to worry about keeping any weight, was easy to maintain.

Day 7 of PCT. Weight was the same as the last day on cycle, and compared to the last day on cycle my strength was up 1-2 reps on most of my lifts! Looked absolutely jacked still. Took jack3d preworkout maybe that's why...

Went to 100mg of clomid last night. I am very glad i decided to dose clomid high, it worked so well last PCT i figured the best way to improve this PCT is to run higher dosed clomid, and I feel like my libido is increasing already... dunno if that's placebo but clomid gives me raging libido and bad, bad acne... I'll see how the acne gets...

Anyway quite happy with strength. 3 more weeks to go.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Thanks. Don't apologize for being late! haha, all good, glad to have people commenting.

Anyway, PCT day 6, same weight, was worried about my weight starting to dip a couple days ago (210 weigh in) but increased calories slightly. I intend to keep calories up around 200 during PCT. And after PCT maybe raise another 200 and start bulking.

I am still lifting 4x a week and doing cardio... around 8x a week.

Last 5 nights my PCT was this
Clomid 150mg
Nolva 20mg

I have no sides from the high dosed clomid. And today I have felt especially good, especially after eating a lot of good meat. Will try to eat big & clean and keep the cardio up for PCT. I think test must be returning quickly, as my libido is starting to increase. I'll update on that to see if i'm just jumping to conclusions. But the last time I used clomid my libido went nuts and I got crazy acne and oily skin. Worse than on cycle. This time i'm using more clomid ;)
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Solid PCT man.

At what intensity you do the cardio?
low-moderate intensity long duration or interval training or high intensity?

This time you're using more clomid, what dosage did you use clomid last time?

Because I have never taken clomid for more than 50mg per day. I usually do clomid 50mg for 4 weeks (and have no sides at all).
It's very good that you have no sides from high dose clomid.
I want to try your method for PCT in next cycle. It looks like a great method.
5 first days at high dose to front load, then taper down to 50mg for a couple of weeks then taper down to 25mg for the last 2 weeks.

What do you think of it?
 
I don't know yet, i'm still learning and figuring this out. My clomid will probably look like this

1-5 150mg
6-14 100mg
15-28 50mg

nolva
1-14 20mg

t-911
15-40 3 caps



Last time, i used clomid 130mg for 3 days, 100mg for 4 days, then 50mg for the next 3 weeks.

I don't see what's wrong with a high dose... i have seen people talking 300mg. If the half life is indeed 6 days, then a strong frontload of clomid strikes me as absolutely essential to jacking natural test up as fast as possible.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I don't know yet, i'm still learning and figuring this out. My clomid will probably look like this

1-5 150mg
6-14 100mg
15-28 50mg

nolva
1-14 20mg

t-911
15-40 3 caps



Last time, i used clomid 130mg for 3 days, 100mg for 4 days, then 50mg for the next 3 weeks.

I don't see what's wrong with a high dose... i have seen people talking 300mg. If the half life is indeed 6 days, then a strong frontload of clomid strikes me as absolutely essential to jacking natural test up as fast as possible.
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Looks Great.
Good Point bro.

I think so, I also don't see anything wrong with high dose of clomid. Many people claim that they get sides on 50mg+ of clomid so that's why most recommended dose is 25-50mg per day.
However, I don't get any sides with both clomid and nolva.

I agree with you, I think with front loading will definitely essential to raise test level up as soon as possible.
That's why I would try it for next cycle.
 
i seem to get spots in my vision at clomid doses above 100mg..... i'm glad you don't have to worry about that, it always freaks me out pretty good.
 
Good progress Unreal, have you reduced the intensity of your workouts or the duration since starting PCT? Are you planning on using something to inhibit the rise in coritsol than may occur. Mooch mentioned it earlier but thought i would you should consider some shows... I'm not sure of the American set up, but we have NABBA for amateur Bodybuilder's; just a thought...

mooch2321 said:
i take that back....just stepped on the scale im 222lbs:sigh1:....had to cut my cycle short and havent worked out in 3 weeks due to a pre-existing injury that flared up.....on the other hand im with unreal those are some insane #'s....why didnt you compete....those are national level lifts for a teen...
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Ah i see your a fan of ellipsis too... lol! don't be disheartened man, you may be a little lighter but that is still a very impressive weight at 5'9. What kind of injury joint or muscle? haha 'insane' from what i was told and read a high standard dead was 500lbs at my age and weight for a competitive level, my squat was more than good enough but bench was hit or miss. It only took me 2 months from starting deads at 65lbs to get to 440lbs... naturally, Yeah the numbers speak for themselves, i have a good power-to-weight ratio which originates from a sprinting background. Like 8 months after joining the gym, at 17 i could bench 235lbs for 7... I put it down to a combination of good genetics, decent training, excellect diet and my three D's dedication/determination/discipline to compliment the above. just one of my own quotes lol to be honest Mooch i didn't feel i was good enough, i lack confidence in myself. My friend who use to compete in national amateur BB a few years back is trying to get me to do shows, again if youve seen the standard even at amateur level you will know it's high... Hows the injury coming along bro?
 
Workouts are as intense as ever. The only thing i have changed with PCT is what pills/chems I'm consuming. That and I've added ~200 calories now. I have no cortisol blocker.

Zeus you're a genetic freak. You humble me. Granted when i started training i didn't know that I had to eat more, and I was using the worst routine ever, but after 7 months i could max bench just over 200 pounds... you were approaching 300... Crazy strength!
 
Phera and super have always been a good strength cycle for me, but then again, being a multiple time state champion powerlifter and a national record holder in highschool, and collage strength comes naturally to me. last phera-super cycle I ran I went from a 335 bench to 380, 525 squat to 560, and a 595 deadlift to 650. all personal records except the deadlift. I DO have to be carefull though, I seem to have a much higher tendancy to tear while useing ANY aas. I seem to respond to phera almost identical to d-bol mg for mg even, pretty wet gains. Superdrol is my favorite of all the otc orals currently. Gains for me are very lean, yet rapid, and I seem to keep most of them. Great work man, keep it up.
 
I got some pretty bad acne from clomid, all on my shoulders and back. Took like three months to get rid of it completely. I used it at 50 mg for 4 weeks, with nolva. Strength gains were sick. I was accused of using dbol for pxt. I think I'll try your front load next time
 
PCT day 9

Compared to last week, I am down 3 pounds. But my strength was up 1-2 reps from last week! Never been so strong during a PCT. The PCT after my last recomp was good, i very slowly gained strength in PCT. So far I am doing that at least as well, and I have more strength to preserve.

Everything I hit was a PR today. I was up either 1-2 reps or about 5 pounds on every lift. I was happy with my rows, for barbell rows i did 275*8, especially with weight dipping under 210 right now. For day 9 of PCT, i am really stoked on the strength. Hopefully i can keep this up a while longer.

My balls ache, i hope it's clomid bringing them back quickly. Size is still substandard though.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Workouts are as intense as ever. The only thing i have changed with PCT is what pills/chems I'm consuming. That and I've added ~200 calories now. I have no cortisol blocker.

Zeus you're a genetic freak. You humble me. Granted when i started training i didn't know that I had to eat more, and I was using the worst routine ever, but after 7 months i could max bench just over 200 pounds... you were approaching 300... Crazy strength!
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Your too nice Unreal your making me blush, keep compliments like this coming and your fastly becoming my favourite person on AM haha.
Yeah like the other day i done a close grip lat pull down of 308lbs (weighed 164 lbs when i done that, you might say 'yeah its close grip' but hey) and to top it off ive been having a 2 month period of zero supplements, not even whey, creatine or even a multi vitamin. Today i could still do the 105lb dumbells on incline after a 2 months of light/repetition type training whilst on a cut having a calorie deficit diet with zero supplements. Im proud of myself lol.
Any PCT updates? Anything to report?
 
Good strength for your size zeus, it's a hell of a lat-pulldown... So at your weight, you can do pretty mad pullups?

I'm on day 10 of PCT. My weight is still depressed about 3-4 pounds. I can see there is slightly less definition, vascularity. Slightly less "hard" look.

But my strength has continued to increase! Very excited about that... My weighted dips have gotten very gnarly on the cycle, I rep out my sets with 135 pounds strapped to me with ease. Last few days i've been so amazed that I still have freak strength from the cycle, even with my bodyweight down a few pounds. I hope I can maintain all of it!

I dunno what to attribute my good PCT to. I think that PCT from a recomp is easier since I don't have to try to keep massive weight gains. Also I think the high-dosed clomid was a good idea... Lastly adding Jack3d preworkout might be helping a little... It's hard for me to tell with stims.
 
mooch2321 said:
did you notice my calfs in that pic of my legs? a few years ago they were like 12 inches.... i was 135lbs at 21....230 at 26 now....somebody on here has a sig that says they are "bitch slappin mother nature every step of the way" it always makes me laugh
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I FELL OFF MY SEAT WHEN I READ THIS ITS HILARIOUS!
 
Thanks.

I'm on day 12 of pct.
I'm increasing my cals slowly back up and trying to keep my strength rolling upward. I've never been so strong at such a light weight before, I'm about as strong as I was at the end of my last bulk @ 235. Some of my lifts are a little weaker, some are a little stronger, but about the same overall.
 
Yeah. My weight started dropping, i had to increase my calories to keep it at 210. Because of that i'm seeing some of the definition and ab veins going away.

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Strength is about as high as it was at the end of the cycle. My pressing is down a tiny bit like 5-10 pounds. My back strength is 100% the same, arms still have their strength too, legs doing really good. Superdrol has always raised my presses the most, with hard to keep gains.

I'm glad though, I'm around 30 pounds stronger in all my core lifts than pre-cycle. Not stuff like curls, but most presses, most back pulls, legs, all up around 30. I did back today, 275 for barbell rows, 200+ for t-bar rows, 300 on pulldowns, 145 on one-arm rows. All pretty good for me.

I knew i couldn't maintain that kind of leanness for long, i'm more endo-meso... equilibrium around 12-15% bodyfat. But i'm pretty happy to be keeping the strength, i feel pretty powerful for being such a skinny weight.

PCT like this
clomid 1-6 @150, 7-14 @100, 15-28 @50
nolva 1-14 @ 20
T-911 15-40 @ 3/day
41-55 Jungle Warfare 3/day (found an old bottle, decided to finish it off)

So i'm on day 16 and just started taking the T-911 so we'll see how reversitol stacked with clomid fairs... I am just going to try to come out of this cycle getting bigger and stronger... Hopefully my weight can start to climb back to 220+.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Alright, I've been around 10% bodyfat before, but this time I wanted to get under 10% and stay over 200 pounds. Ran this recomp cycle, i'm at the end of week 8 now.

Cycle

was pretty advanced

1-3 SD pulse @ 10mg on WO days (12 caps total)
2-8 test prop 75mg ed
T-Roid 3-6 90/90/120/120
SD weeks 6-8 10/20/20
PheraPlex weeks 6.5-8 @ 20/30
2-8 T3 started at 25, ramped up to 50, spent about a week between 3-4 using 75, then back to 50 for weeks 6 and into 7, 25 for the rest of 7 and 8.

Concept

I've used SD and PP twice each so I know what to expect, use prop before, used it as a base.
Idea was get strength rolling with SD, bring in test prop and tren to keep off the catabolism of T3, load that up and run the tren.
The meat of the cycle was supposed to be T-Roid, but i dropped it due to sides. I got great strength off of, vascularity increased greatly, but i got night sweats bad, lost libido completely even though i'm on a good bit of test (it took about 2 weeks to come back).
I needed to replace it with something powerful... so i decided to finish out trying the compounds that worked and run the PP/SD stack. PP/SD is about as good as it gets for me because each compound treats me great. So although i'm on week 8, I feel great, and my workouts are still getting better

As of week 8 the only sides I have are... minor lethargy, that I could attribute to hitting the gym twice a day and only getting 6 hours of sleep.. and a little bit of acne. I feel pretty stacked and jacked 24/7, appetite has been as good as ever.

Anyway here are some after pictures. Unfortunately i didn't do befores. But you can look up my thread history and find my last SD/Test cycle I logged and see me all fatty bulked up at 235.

Results

8/5/2009
6'.5"
213 lbs
bodyfat... 7-8?

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Weight gains: gained 2 pounds
Fat loss: lost about 3% i think
strength gains: about 25-35 pounds on major lifts. Up around 15-20 on minor lifts

Strength

Did some amazing things this cycle.

Weighted dips: +135 pounds *14 reps
Standing curls with the EZ curl bar: 155*8

I'm hack squating 4 plates per side, shrugging 6 plates per side. I do calves with my toes on a board on the hack squat machine and get up to 4 plates per side for about 20.

With pulls, i am doing the 140 pound dumbell for db rows, 265 pounds for barbell rows, 260 on the pulldown machine.

didn't do much direct pressing due to lack of a spotter, but strength was up about 25 pounds. Shoulders got real sick looking for shoulder flys.
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Great progress. But i dont get it you say that you gained two pounds, so was your starting weight 211lbs? Could you do normal cardio while running Tren/SD/Phera?
 
Yes that's correct on weight. And so far in PCT i've lost about the same, i'm around 210 now... light-weight.

I could do cardio just fine the whole cycle. I actually increased my cardiovascular endurance quite a bit from doing so much additional cardio. I never have any problems with DS and cardio.
 
There isnt much difference in those pics unreal, the ab veins fading a little but only a little. Impressive lifts; Keep it up man.

UnrealMachine said:
i feel pretty powerful for being such a skinny weight.
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I know exactly how you feel lol.
Anything else youve noticed worth mentioning? PS thats not the Jungle warfare that was a bad batch... think its the green one...
 
not much to update on yet. I will be changing my routine starting today however. I'm getting a lot of help from Crazyfool, he's been feeding me guidelines for routine and diet that'll work pretty well for me I think... so i'm pretty excited.

I am going to work to keep my bodyfat under 10% but right now I'm focusing mainly on strength. Trying to bulk back up a few pounds before the next cycle in November.
 
Just wanted to update on my PCT as this has been my best cycle ever and my best PCT ever

So again my PCT is as follows

days 1-6 clomid @ 150, 7-14 clomid @ 100, 15-28 clomid @ 50
1-14 nolva @ 20
15-40 T-911 @ 3 caps
41-55 JW 3 caps (finishing off an old bottle)

So right now i'm on day 23 which is a little ways into the T-911 with only 50mg of clomid and so i just got into week 4 of my PCT and i feel good. My balls are friggin huge and i feel my natural test levels are higher than baseline. Strength is still kicking ass no gains but i've maintained most of the strength gains from my cycle pretty well.

Ok... a picture is a thousand words

Last day of cycle
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day 16 PCT
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So basically I feel like i had some initial waterweight and fat rebound as i look less defined on day 16 and now my test is coming back and i'm doing good again.

Last clomid pct it was late 3rd week that i noticed a huge increase in test and now i'm feeling that again. T-911 is probably helping... stacked with clomid i have great expectations. And as i've said before the nolva for the first 2 weeks deals with initial estrogen rebound while the AI aspect of resveratrol in T-911 should help enough after that.

My bottom line, what Unreal is trying to teach here, is that i've done PCT many times before and never felt like my test recovered so well. Those were all nolva PCTs. I don't know why we preach nolva so much for PCT here, in MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE clomid is FAR superior. When i take nolva i don't really notice anything, with clomid i can tell i'm being elevated above baseline test levels.
 
yeah, those stomach veins are far more prominant @ 22 than @ 16 Unreal.

Question: is there such a thing as rebounding too hard on PCT? What effect would this have post PCT?

Another question: were you running hcg on cycle?

Interesting comment on clomid. I saw a thread not so long ago of someone using clomid as a test booster.

Good posting - fkg awesome results :thumbsup:
 
I used no HCG. Shutdown was a little harder than usual took a couple days longer to feel the rebound this time vs. last cycle (6 weeks just test prop, pct clomid).

Clomid would probably work as a test booster, works great for me. I'm seriously surprised at the size of my nuts, clomid does wonders for that.
 
All done with PCT

I kept a lot of my strength, have lost some definition, look more like 9% bodyfat now rather than 8. Overall I still look way way better than precycle and I'm much stronger. The main strength gains were in my back, my pulls are just doing really well.

I'm trying to start lean bulking naturally before I get on a lean bulking cycle so i've been eating slightly more than my recomp and that's probably why i've lost some definition but to keep the strength gains, it was worth it. Now i wanna get back up to 220 and then run a lean bulk cycle to take me to 230 but I really want to stay under 10% so it'll be hard
 
No time frame really.

My goals aren't set in stone, i used to want to be 250 pounds but I got tired of buying so much food, eating crapping and pissing all day long so i scaled my goals back.

I don't know when I hit my goal, but i don't feel much pressure at all. For the first time in my life I can look at myself in the mirror and i'm pretty satisfied with how I look. Of course I always want more, that's the obsession that we all have.

I am planning my next cycle and i really think my gains will be determined by my response, I am going to be trying some new things (injectables this time) and trying out a higher dose on test. I will be happy to get to 220 and 8% or 225 and 9% but if i respond very well i might be able to put on more mass and hit 230 sub 10%. Course then i'll see how much i actually maintian post cycle LOL... right now its a real bitch maintaining bodyfat this low... I am naturally about 15% bf.

To be honest I wouldn't mind if my next cycle were almost another recomp. At this point I value density, hardness, and vascularity more than size, my size is pretty good already. On the last cycle I really started to get the density there, started getting that mature look on the muscles, and I want more of that.
 
UnrealMachine said:
No time frame really.

My goals aren't set in stone, i used to want to be 250 pounds but I got tired of buying so much food, eating crapping and pissing all day long so i scaled my goals back.

I don't know when I hit my goal, but i don't feel much pressure at all. For the first time in my life I can look at myself in the mirror and i'm pretty satisfied with how I look. Of course I always want more, that's the obsession that we all have.

I am planning my next cycle and i really think my gains will be determined by my response, I am going to be trying some new things (injectables this time) and trying out a higher dose on test. I will be happy to get to 220 and 8% or 225 and 9% but if i respond very well i might be able to put on more mass and hit 230 sub 10%. Course then i'll see how much i actually maintian post cycle LOL... right now its a real bitch maintaining bodyfat this low... I am naturally about 15% bf.

To be honest I wouldn't mind if my next cycle were almost another recomp. At this point I value density, hardness, and vascularity more than size, my size is pretty good already. On the last cycle I really started to get the density there, started getting that mature look on the muscles, and I want more of that.
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itll happen brotha!!!
 
i dont have gear in hand yet but the tentative plan is test + npp for 8 weeks followed by 6 more weeks of test and 8 weeks of Hdrol at 100mg. Test at 750mg then around a gram while stacked with Hdrol. NPP in the 300-400 range.

Just tentative i dunno exactly what it's going to be yet. I'm on my 6th week post cycle now so i got a few more weeks to wait...
 
Unreal,
I agree with you about wet and dry are way too overrated.
I did recomp with phera and had great results with it.

What's your thought about d-bol for recomping / cutting?
It's very wet compound.

UnrealMachine said:
For a cut it'll work well. But which PH you choose really doesn't matter so much as I feel the terms wet and dry are overrated.

I did a recomp using PH that are favored for mass and they simply allowed me to do more cardio and thus burn more fat while maintaining my weight
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@ Yellow, using dbol will depend largely on your innate response to the compound, as I am pretty sure that some users bloat up pretty bad and while dbol would still work for every purpose of a cut it would ruin your LOOK until you were finished... idk if these people could solve everything with an AI or not but they probably could...

I figure most could cut reasonably well without any bloat so long as their dose doesn't get too high. I haven't used Dbol but I feel like SD is probably better, at least for me, because it'll inflate your muscles with glycogen and thus stretch the skin out over them and create a very full, dry dense look...

@ Texas, I know Tbol >>> halo on a mg/mg basis, but for this reason I've got 4 bottles of Halodrol (got them on the nutra sale for 15 bucks a pop). So i can run 100mg for 8 weeks. Could also do 125mg a day for 40 days. I think it'll be a great hardener to use in conjunction with 1g of test. I know you got some results when you took your halo dose up there.
 
yes i did. your gonna love a gram of test, I sure do. look into 16weeks of test-e at 1g first 5weeks t-bol and last 5 weeks var. would do you nice I think.
 
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