LiftingStud's PPlex and Mdrol Log

Sounds like you're really killing it! I love arms days, just get a flat stupid-big pump going. I superset biceps and triceps the entire time just going back and forth and killing them.

Anyway sounds like you're doing great. I had few sides on the stack as well... Much more sides from "Tren." PP + SD = god mode enabled.
 
I'm gearing up for my SD pulse starting in oct. Reading logs like this makes me want to fudge the date a bit... but I won't. Gotta try and have discipline.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Sounds like you're really killing it! I love arms days, just get a flat stupid-big pump going. I superset biceps and triceps the entire time just going back and forth and killing them.

Anyway sounds like you're doing great. I had few sides on the stack as well... Much more sides from "Tren." PP + SD = god mode enabled.
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Oh yea, i know how that is....
 
DAY 16: 30mg Mdrol, 20mg PPlex

No complaints again. Another solid workout... leg day today... lower back was still kinda sore from the massive dead lift day but still no horrible back pumps. Def stronger then previous leg day.
didnt count number of sets of squats, there were a bunch, worked all the way up to a few heavy sets then all the way back down
4 sets leg press
4 sets front squats (legs were soo blowen up, getting the push to get up from the bttm position was so hard, but got some soild sets done)
FST 7 hack squats (not sure how i did this, but did and could barely walk)

Sitting on the bench drinking my protein and carbs def starting to see some solid vascularity in the legs... nothing like shoulder down the bicep and forearm but it is there and popping out. Also vascularity up in the arms, more visible even on none workout days.

I have used lots of stuff and this combo ranks up there as tops. Never done inj but as orals go this is pretty f*ing awesome.

Body is still getting really sore... the DOMS are just off the charts, but recovery is also going well. I do wish I had more time to sleep, but who doesnt in the morning. I have been trying to get a 20min or so nap in during lunch. Its not that I am lethargic, like on other compounds or stacks, I just feel the extra little rest will help promote growth.
 
Liftingstud said:
DAY 16: 30mg Mdrol, 20mg PPlex

No complaints again. Another solid workout... leg day today... lower back was still kinda sore from the massive dead lift day but still no horrible back pumps. Def stronger then previous leg day.
didnt count number of sets of squats, there were a bunch, worked all the way up to a few heavy sets then all the way back down
4 sets leg press
4 sets front squats (legs were soo blowen up, getting the push to get up from the bttm position was so hard, but got some soild sets done)
FST 7 hack squats (not sure how i did this, but did and could barely walk)

Sitting on the bench drinking my protein and carbs def starting to see some solid vascularity in the legs... nothing like shoulder down the bicep and forearm but it is there and popping out. Also vascularity up in the arms, more visible even on none workout days.

I have used lots of stuff and this combo ranks up there as tops. Never done inj but as orals go this is pretty f*ing awesome.

Body is still getting really sore... the DOMS are just off the charts, but recovery is also going well. I do wish I had more time to sleep, but who doesnt in the morning. I have been trying to get a 20min or so nap in during lunch. Its not that I am lethargic, like on other compounds or stacks, I just feel the extra little rest will help promote growth.
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POWER NAPPING, its the best. Ialmost feel more rested after sum naps than sum nites sleep.
 
legs are one thing im going to focus on this cycle. I wanna b able to hit the 475-500lb squat sometime soon. Oh by the way i just ordered some clen....so thats alpha tren/epi/clen stack....should b sick.
 
DAY 17: 30mg mdrol, 20 pplex

solid chest day... Def nice gradual increase in strength. Endurance still way up.

4 sets incline BB
4 sets flat DB
4 sets wide hammer press
3 sets low incline incline smith superset w/ higher incline DB flye

chest had nice solid pump
 
DAY 18: 200.5lbs!!!! 30mg mdrol 20mg pplex

finally broke that 200 barrier!!!

Another solid workout, mild lower back tightness.
4 sets pulldowns
4 sets underhand BB rows
4 sets db rows
3 sets low hammer row superset seated hammer row
FST7 shoulder width underhand pulldowns
 
DAY 19: 30mg mdrol 20mg pplex

off day... got on the scale before any food this am and still at 200lbs!!!! today is pretty much rest and eat. Not sure what got into me today... took a nap on the couch for 3 hours. Been really sore as I have reported so maybe my body just trying to catch up some.
 
Liftingstud said:
DAY 19: 30mg mdrol 20mg pplex

off day... got on the scale before any food this am and still at 200lbs!!!! today is pretty much rest and eat.
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Hell yea man keep on it. I can wait till i finally get past that 200 mark! So whats that like 10lbs in 18 days??
 
ZoomZoom88 said:
Hell yea man keep on it. I can wait till i finally get past that 200 mark! So whats that like 10lbs in 18 days??
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Yeah some where around 10-11lbs. Not too much water retention either. Plus it has been a nice steady increase each couple of days. But thought I would jump on the scale this morning and see and was nicely surprised with still being 200 with no food in me.
 
DAY 20: 202.25 30mg mdrol, 20mg pplex

So the napping on my day off must have paid off... this was an early morning weight only after breakfast. Very excited to see this number, plus have few more wks on cycle :)

Shoulder/delts today
4 sets seated overhead press
4 sets standing lat raises (def way stonger on these, got up to 40s straightout with nice sec hold for 8 solid on last set plus 3 cheating)
3 sets upright row superset with stearing wheel raises (this was intense pump throughout shoulders)
3 sets bentover rear lat raises
3 sets cable reverse lats
5 sets DB shrugs

So over all impression after 3 weeks is... very very solid. Def best stuff I have run. Really no sides except really bad DOMS. Very little ance and my skin hates me. No lethargy during the day. I do find that I require more sleep than normal amount, probably just all the growth that is occuring. Strength increase has been steady throughout. Weight increase was slow at the beginning but really in last week to week and half really started to pick up. Very, very intense pumps during workout. I also notice a very full look to my muscles. Very very mild water retention, definately not a super dry recomp/cutting effect, but nothing that is really really apparent.

My only wonder is what to do the fourth wk... I thought about dropping the mdrol back down to 20mg and upping the pplex to 30mg. Dont think I should go to 30mg of both. But this 30mdrol/20pplex has been treating me very very nice, but not sure about mdrol at this dose for a long period.
 
IMO 20SD/30PP is where it's at... That was the best of anything I had ever run, just like you I agree, no sides really, superb strength, great pumps, muscles sooo full.

I think you need to knock the Phera up. Hell you could do 30/30. 20 phera is kinda weak. How long are you going to keep going on Mdrol? I like the idea of dropping that and continuing a couple extra weeks with just phera to make the gains solid then come off.
 
man just as you posted in my cycle post pone thread. this gets me so pumped for this cycle man. dang wrist. reading each thread as your weight goes up is getting me so jacked. i guess i have a bench mark to try to stay at. ill run my log starting when this one is winding down and well see how it goes. its nice to have you doing this as a front runner so i can see where i need to be heading!!
 
UnrealMachine said:
IMO 20SD/30PP is where it's at... That was the best of anything I had ever run, just like you I agree, no sides really, superb strength, great pumps, muscles sooo full.

I think you need to knock the Phera up. Hell you could do 30/30. 20 phera is kinda weak. How long are you going to keep going on Mdrol? I like the idea of dropping that and continuing a couple extra weeks with just phera to make the gains solid then come off.
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Totally agree. Strength is not mild blowing which is definately odd to me esp comparing to my other SD runs. It is just the endurance is off the charts. I can rep out weight to failure then wait a few seconds and be ready to go again.

Yeah I want to get the phera up going to switch it up tomorrow; 30mg phera and 20mdrol. I am thinking just this last wk on the Mdrol, then like you said continue the phera out further, may taper down to 10mg just preworkout on the 5th wk... but 5 wks on SD ughhh?!?!?!?!?!? Probably not the smartest idea. Its just the no sides with very positive results is very very nice.
 
been watching, and kinda seen the drop in mdrol, and up in phera coming, seemed like the logical route, then like you said if your not feeling sides, do you continue and press forth? Or do you just go with your gut on this one and know that the lethergy is just around the corner(possible), and what bearing will that have on the remaining weeks of phera?then, yeah do you just run the mdrol @ a lower dose maybe(and with all the talk lately of the mdrol getting weaker), do you taper it down maybe to eod? or just drop it completely and go ballz out with the phera, and ramp it up a lil quicker than normal, especially if you feel that your gains are really coming from the phera? decissions, decissions, i guess the final one comes from your body, and that seems to be the problem here, is that we read what werks for sum, but may not werk for others, as well as, how we may react differently everytyme with theses compounds.Any chance of being able to get blood werk done? besides that the only thing to do is go with your guts.
 
TravisG said:
man just as you posted in my cycle post pone thread. this gets me so pumped for this cycle man. dang wrist. reading each thread as your weight goes up is getting me so jacked. i guess i have a bench mark to try to stay at. ill run my log starting when this one is winding down and well see how it goes. its nice to have you doing this as a front runner so i can see where i need to be heading!!
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Yeah man sucks about your wrist but will workout in the end. Like I said you want to be 100% on this cause its great. Pretty much tops my list. Like I have stated, want to get to 30mg of the phera cause thats the most effective dose seen by most people. I am so surprised that I havent had any sides at all. Which is a great surprise and not upset about that in the least.
 
DAY 22: 20mg Mdrol, 30mg PPlex

yep so dropped the mdrol back down to 20mg and upped the pplex to 30mg. so lets see how this goes, better geared for the sweet spot on each.

Arms today and feeling like a super hero!!!
5 sets BB curl (amazing how easy the weight has become curled 125 with ease!)
4 sets seated DB incline curl
4 sets hammer curl
FST 7 preacher machine
4 sets cable straight bar press down
4 sets close grip bench on smith machine underhand grip
4 sets seated EZ bar overhead
FST 7 cable rope pressdowns

SICK PUMPS STILL!!! Still look really big and full in the mirror, which is awesome. Definately turning some heads at the gym, due to the full look to my body and added weight. I really would love to do a full upper body workout and pump the whole upper body up, would look SICK!

I feel this is the best oral combo I have run. I have noticed some mild lethargy esp when I dont get enough carbs with meals and that was only last wk and think it was the 30mg of mdrol causing it. The only way to make this better would be adding in Tren but that would make for a much rougher cycle. Def would only use 20mg of Mdrol if tren was added.

I think 60-90 tren, 10-20mg mdrol and 30mg phera would be something amazing.
Possibly using Tren as a base but it and mdrol have a quick kickin time so maybe something like:
Phera 20/20/20/30/30/30
mdrol 10/20/20/0/0/0
tren 0/0/60/90/90/90
using the phera as the base. Just throwing it out there. But thats a bunch of oral and probably better served just switching to inj test.
 
lyfespan said:
what you dont want to throw, sum Havoc,epi, and Spawn in there like that other cycle post? Why do guys think if you run everything that, thats gonna be the best? Oh s hit i for got the Hdrol cant forget that i wont be able to get cut, LMFAO
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Huh??? Epi and havoc r the same... And it's redundent to add spawn. I never said running everything would be the best. I was simply making a suggestion from previous use. UR and I have spoke often about a tren, sd, phera run. That's why I brought this up. Except we spoke of using tren as a base to the cycle.

If you read closely u will see I then said would prob be better to just switch to inj test.
 
Liftingstud said:
Huh??? Epi and havoc r the same... And it's redundent to add spawn. I never said running everything would be the best. I was simply making a suggestion from previous use. UR and I have spoke often about a tren, sd, phera run. That's why I brought this up. Except we spoke of using tren as a base to the cycle.

If you read closely u will see I then said would prob be better to just switch to inj test.
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no i wuz refering to the post from earlier this morning, posted by another guy(noob) and you were advising him, he had all the ph's listed for a stack, wuz killing me
 
I'd be so down for that, if only Tren didn't give me such bad goddamn gyno.

I envy what you're feeling now, i only felt it briefly, but SD + PP was sooo empowering. Along with tren it would be ridiculous. 20SD/30PP/90Tren! lol... But at that point, i realize i'm much better off just injecting and saving my body some hurt! Also the shutdown will really build up fast on that one.

I really want to do the stack again though... I don't know if there's a lot of synergy or what but damn, it's a feeling i'm going to be addicted to.

Bring some injectables into the mix for this fantasy cycle... ok, bulker:
SD 10/20/20
PP 30/30/30/45/45
Test 1-12 750mg ew

;)
 
UnrealMachine said:
I'd be so down for that, if only Tren didn't give me such bad goddamn gyno.

I envy what you're feeling now, i only felt it briefly, but SD + PP was sooo empowering. Along with tren it would be ridiculous. 20SD/30PP/90Tren! lol... But at that point, i realize i'm much better off just injecting and saving my body some hurt! Also the shutdown will really build up fast on that one.

I really want to do the stack again though... I don't know if there's a lot of synergy or what but damn, it's a feeling i'm going to be addicted to.

Bring some injectables into the mix for this fantasy cycle... ok, bulker:
SD 10/20/20
PP 30/30/30/45/45
Test 1-12 750mg ew

;)
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empowering is def the right word, but also the visual full effect is great because its def a great bulker but dont look like a puffed up. does it ever have to end??? so wish it didnt!!!
 
DAY 23: 20mg Mdrol, 30mg PPlex

Looking at some mild lethargy today... just couldnt get going, but I did miss my morning cups of coffee cause I was running behind. So hopefully tomorrow this will not happen.

Legs today. Another solid workout once I got going (got a cup of black coffee at the gym before my workout which really helped)
BB squats
reverse hack squats (wide stance)
hack squats (toes pointed in)
leg extensions (alt sets with toes in and toes out)
FST7 front squats on smith machine

really didnt keep track of sets just kept motoring along and by the FST7 my legs got SOOO pumped it was hard to get all the way down because the legs were so pumped.

Hopefully the lethargy was just a byproduct of not getting my morning coffee cause everything has been rock solid so far.

thinking i have to re-eval my Cal intake with the amount of weight I have put on but will get a weigh in tomorrow and see... probably going to look at trying to add more carbs in.
 
DAY 24: 203.5lbs 20mg Mdrol, 30mg PPlex

Lethargy much better today. Had my nice big cup of java this am and was good to go :)

Weight only up a little bit from day 20, about a pound or so. Going to look at getting in some more oatmeal about 1/3 cup extra 2x/day. Gotta start accounting for the extra weight gain in my Cals since I am up 14.5lbs!!! from the start. Not too shabby, only with mild water retension noted around the mid section. Still have 6 pack when flexed and still see outline of lower veins. As you can tell from reading the log it is pretty much a steady weight gain throughout, nothing explosive just very consistant.

Chest today
BB incline (much stronger than start of cycle 20-25lbs heavier for reps of 10 with great endurance)
wide grip hammer press (also much stronger with intense contraction and pump)
low cable flye
pec dec
 
Liftingstud said:
DAY 24: 203.5lbs 20mg Mdrol, 30mg PPlex

Lethargy much better today. Had my nice big cup of java this am and was good to go :)

Weight only up a little bit from day 20, about a pound or so. Going to look at getting in some more oatmeal about 1/3 cup extra 2x/day. Gotta start accounting for the extra weight gain in my Cals since I am up 14.5lbs!!! from the start. Not too shabby, only with mild water retension noted around the mid section. Still have 6 pack when flexed and still see outline of lower veins. As you can tell from reading the log it is pretty much a steady weight gain throughout, nothing explosive just very consistant.

Chest today
BB incline (much stronger than start of cycle 20-25lbs heavier for reps of 10 with great endurance)
wide grip hammer press (also much stronger with intense contraction and pump)
low cable flye
pec dec
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Yea buddy, keep it up! I eat a cup of oatmeal, 2 tbls of natty pb and creatine pre-workout.... that alone gave me non stop energy in the gym.... I just started my alphatren monday, im already getting a decent pump! And i got my clen on the way... you ever try Clen??
 
ZoomZoom88 said:
Yea buddy, keep it up! I eat a cup of oatmeal, 2 tbls of natty pb and creatine pre-workout.... that alone gave me non stop energy in the gym.... I just started my alphatren monday, im already getting a decent pump! And i got my clen on the way... you ever try Clen??
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Nope thought about it on my next cut/recomp. Any suggestions?
 
Liftingstud said:
Nope thought about it on my next cut/recomp. Any suggestions?
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I havent tried it yet...Ill def. let you know what works. Im going to be going up to around 50-60 range with the epi and clen prob. no lower then 50mcg's so i should be lean as piss at the end....
 
DAY 25: 20mg mdrol, 30mg pplex

taking the day off from the gym. Usually a back day but sch is kinda crazy so will be hitting back tomarrow instead.
 
ZoomZoom, you need to cut out the peanut butter one hour before workouts and one hour after. mono and poly fats restrict blood flow one hour pre and post consumption. so when youre taking that pre workout youre diminshing blood flow therefore taking away nutrients to the muscle and your pump in the gym. this is why no pre/post workout supps have any fat in them. take in about 40g slow digesting carbs and about 20g whey protein and youll be set. a study showed that doing this pre workout resulted in 30% more muscle growth than a group that did not. cut out the peanut butter and youll get more endurance and a better pump!
 
TravisG said:
ZoomZoom, you need to cut out the peanut butter one hour before workouts and one hour after. mono and poly fats restrict blood flow one hour pre and post consumption. so when youre taking that pre workout youre diminshing blood flow therefore taking away nutrients to the muscle and your pump in the gym. this is why no pre/post workout supps have any fat in them. take in about 40g slow digesting carbs and about 20g whey protein and youll be set. a study showed that doing this pre workout resulted in 30% more muscle growth than a group that did not. cut out the peanut butter and youll get more endurance and a better pump!
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Yea im taking Alpha Tren right now, so i needed to take in some fats for it to be absrobed. Im taking the alpha tren with 5-6g of omega 3 fish oils right now for absorbtion..... is that ok?
 
ZoomZoom88 said:
Yea im taking Alpha Tren right now, so i needed to take in some fats for it to be absrobed. Im taking the alpha tren with 5-6g of omega 3 fish oils right now for absorbtion..... is that ok?
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I see no problem with doing this... esp if its 1-1.5 preworkout... it gives the tren better absorbtion like you say.
 
DAY 26: 205lbs!!! 20mg Mdrol, 30mg PPlex

Think a little shutdown is setting in... last nigh with the gf still able to get everything up but very hard for me to finish the deed, but she def wasnt complaining, she said she reach cloud 9 three times :) But other than that and some minor lethargy when I miss my morning coffee everything is good to go.

Back today with some biceps added in
shoulder width underhand pulldown
reverse grip BB row
seated machine neutral grip rows
seated wide overhand grip cable rows
seated rope pulldowns
BB curl
DB hammer curl

Strength is very nice right now. Also get a great contraction which makes for a sick pump. Body weight is definately rocking and have a nice full thick look, esp crazy when pumped. Definately a very solid combo of DS. Each wk gets better and better, wish it didnt have to end coming up here soon. But that means it will soon be time to start planning the next run :)
 
DAY 27: 20mg Mdrol, 30mg PPlex

Blasted through a great shoulder workout today. Just a painful pump throughout my whole shoulder. Def much improved strength.

BB seated overhead press
standing DB lat
wide grip upright row
standing BB front raises
bent over DB lat raises
hammer strength shrugs
behind the back BB shrugs

Tomorrow will close out the Mdrol dosing. This wk has been very nice. Would love to keep going at 20mg of Mdrol but not the smart idea or even go 10mg preworkout but once again not a good idea with its toxicity. Will be keeping the PPlex at 30mg. Very pleased with the results and real lack of sides.
 
DAY 28: 206lbs!!! 20mg mdrol, 30mg pplex

usually an off day or deadlift day but chest felt great and last day on mdrol so figured why not and sooo glad I did. Last chest day was thur and today was nothing short of great!!!

BB incline (just kept adding weight and repping and repping the weight... Was awesome)
pec dec flye
cable flye (insane stretch and pump)

kept it fairly basic and quick due to the short turn around

wish I could keep going on the mdrol and pplex soooo bad just keeps getting better and better.
 
TravisG said:
whats your diet looking like throughout this bro?
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Wake up: 20g whey, 30 maldex
breakfast: 4-6 egg whites, 4 slices WW toast
10am: chicken breast, 1-1.5 cup oats
lunch 1230: 8oz 96 or 93 lean beef, 1 cup oats or sweat patato ALT lunch chiplote burrito bowl with double chicken, no beans extra rice, chili corn salsa, little hot sauce
preworkout: chicken breast or lean beef, 1-1.5 cup oats
postworkout: 50g whey, 50g maldex, 50g waxy maize
1-1.5 hr after workout: chicken breast or lean beef, 1cup oats
bedtime: 6 egg whites, 3 whole eggs or lean ground beef
 
Liftingstud said:
Wake up: 20g whey, 30 maldex
breakfast: 4-6 egg whites, 4 slices WW toast
10am: chicken breast, 1-1.5 cup oats
lunch 1230: 8oz 96 or 93 lean beef, 1 cup oats or sweat patato ALT lunch chiplote burrito bowl with double chicken, no beans extra rice, chili corn salsa, little hot sauce
preworkout: chicken breast or lean beef, 1-1.5 cup oats
postworkout: 50g whey, 50g maldex, 50g waxy maize
1-1.5 hr after workout: chicken breast or lean beef, 1cup oats
bedtime: 6 egg whites, 3 whole eggs or lean ground beef
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this does very slightly day to day. When I am pressed at work I have premade casien whey with oats and mac nut oil shake. Also throw in some fish for dinner few nights a wk. And on fri or sat night go out with the gf usually end up ordering something fairly healthy like a steak and sweat potato or fish and rice.
 
DAY 29: 207lbs!!!!! 30mg PPlex

Up 18lbs from the start!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Yep... no more Mdrol :( oohh well was great while it lasted... very solid workout still today. Blew up the arms. Curling some nice weight and definately have some eyes on me in the gym.

Really trying to figure out how long I want to stay on the PPlex. Really anymore weight gained at this point would be a bonus. Really trying to give my body time to adjust to the added weight. For a while I could definately feel the extra weight I was carrying, ie body was not adjusted... but feeling much better/comfortable in the last few days.

I think this is the problem with these quick orals that add serious weight in 4wks You do not give your body time to adjust before PCT is started and you struggle to hold the gains. So looking for this wk plus possibly another of just PPlex to help solidify the gains, but really going on feel. Probably will not go over 30mg either.
 
I'd take the cycle to 6 weeks so 13 more days on the phera, bump the phera up to 40 maybe 50... IMO clean up the diet a little and try to recomp at 207 for the rest of the cycle, lift for strength and make the gains SOLID and then in PCT bring cals up like 100-200 and you should be able to keep a lot.

Why don't you want to exceed 30 on the phera? IMO give 40 a try.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I'd take the cycle to 6 weeks so 13 more days on the phera, bump the phera up to 40 maybe 50... IMO clean up the diet a little and try to recomp at 207 for the rest of the cycle, lift for strength and make the gains SOLID and then in PCT bring cals up like 100-200 and you should be able to keep a lot.

Why don't you want to exceed 30 on the phera? IMO give 40 a try.
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clean up the diet? It's pretty clean. What would u change that's not clean? I could add in a little cardio but when I do that my metabolism goes overboard and I can't gain and start to drop weight quickly. The gains have been fairly lean because waist hasn't changed and slight decrease in visibility of six pack but still see the blood vessels extending up from my lower area toward my abs.

Don't think the increase is really need with the phera. Definately noticed a change in oily skin since the bump to 30. Just think it would lead to more issues than good. But may change my mind at the end of this wk and think about 40 for the last wk. Plan on evaluating in a few days when in I see how my body is reacting.

Open for suggestions though.
 
Ohh and as for lifting for strength last set for major lifts is geared for strength like 4-5 reps then drop the weight and rep out 8-10. The crazy part is each wk the following wk strength set turns into a repped set. Crazy how light the weight feels the following wk.
 
Liftingstud said:
clean up the diet? It's pretty clean. What would u change that's not clean? I could add in a little cardio but when I do that my metabolism goes overboard and I can't gain and start to drop weight quickly. The gains have been fairly lean because waist hasn't changed and slight decrease in visibility of six pack but still see the blood vessels extending up from my lower area toward my abs.

Don't think the increase is really need with the phera. Definately noticed a change in oily skin since the bump to 30. Just think it would lead to more issues than good. But may change my mind at the end of this wk and think about 40 for the last wk. Plan on evaluating in a few days when in I see how my body is reacting.

Open for suggestions though.
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i'm sorry i didn't mean to imply the diet wasn't clean. What i was trying to say is that 1 viable option is to try to spend the next 13 days doing more of a recomp to stay at the same weight but harden and lean out instead of trying to get up any further. With phera you can still add strength, muscle density and vascularity by staying at the same bodyweight. Cutting cals out by dropping some carbs will also allow you to throw 200 cals back into your diet when you go into PCT, which will help you keep gains.

Sounds like your strength is doing good, i was only on the SD/PP stack for a couple weeks but damn it climbed soooo fast... I'm still on recomp style diet/training and i'm keeping the strength gains too like 90% of it. How much are your lifts up? I'd say i ended up being up about 20 pounds almost across the board, but that was in just 2.5 weeks... I had already been on cycle and making good gains for 5.5 weeks ;).
 
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