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what is everones favorite supplement

searl12 said:
Fair enough...dark matter is one I gotta try myself...too bad its fckn 89.99 in Canada. and yes the internet is cheaper...factor in shipping...and exchange...it aint worth waiting for.

Im starting to fckn Hate Canada
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Thank you :). Ya my recovery on Dark Matter is amazing. Throw in some extend and your in for a treat.
 
ill be honest I might add some Phera, lol, its ironice you were talking about it, ive been considering a safe run for a while.

Cheers
 
searl12 said:
ill be honest I might add some Phera, lol, its ironice you were talking about it, ive been considering a safe run for a while.

Cheers
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I would honestly just take good heart supps, not sure if that will make a difference, but hell its worth it!

Good creatine, strong fish oil, CoQ10, Red Yeast Rice.
And one study I read ( I did research!) stated that most of the hypertrophy decreased soon after discontinuing the DMT.

All in all, the gains are just disgustingly awesome without the suffering of its close competitor, superdrol.

And ouch again on the prices in canada...
 
went into gnc today and cell mass by BSN is STILL.... yes STILL after like 4 years 79.99, no explode...u guessed it 79.99, I went to the soon to be expired and bought some cheap muscle milk...fck those prices.

and yes phera....yes...sure beats the bottle of M1T I have, now that is some harsh,almost unbearable sht.
 
searl12 said:
went into gnc today and cell mass by BSN is STILL.... yes STILL after like 4 years 79.99, no explode...u guessed it 79.99, I went to the soon to be expired and bought some cheap muscle milk...fck those prices.

and yes phera....yes...sure beats the bottle of M1T I have, now that is some harsh,almost unbearable sht.
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Ya the reason I work at vitamin world was because I used to shop at GNC and noted the price differences. But even Vitamin Worlds prices (and selection) are horrible. Two more years and Im gonna try to open up my own supplement chain.

And ya wow, M1t...

I want to do 3 weeks phera followed by 3 weeks epi, imagine...
 
uummm sounds yummy, if only the M1T wasnt so damn harsh , I have an unlimited supply at my fingertips yet I cant get and real 4-ad to combat lethargy...just one of the many sides.

But nothing,and I mean nothing compares to M1T for gains/sides

Ive never run phera, Epi for me was way too dry to be honest, i have awful shoulders from old Baseball days and I get fcked on dry compounds.

I do have alot of the Tren or better dienelone prohormones, but that stuff is just as bad as superdrol inlipids from what my research tells me.

cheers
 
searl12 said:
uummm sounds yummy, if only the M1T wasnt so damn harsh , I have an unlimited supply at my fingertips yet I cant get and real 4-ad to combat lethargy...just one of the many sides.

But nothing,and I mean nothing compares to M1T for gains/sides

Ive never run phera, Epi for me was way too dry to be honest, i have awful shoulders from old Baseball days and I get fcked on dry compounds.

I do have alot of the Tren or better dienelone prohormones, but that stuff is just as bad as superdrol inlipids from what my research tells me.

cheers
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The first cycle I ever ran was Tren and Phera-Plex and I will say that I never could have imagined the gains. And the benefit of tren on connective tissue, for me - my shoulders- was just as good as the strength and mass gains.

Loved tren, but I wouldnt suggest it unless your single. Didnt take long before the nun-ification kicked in.
 
ya man for sure...not too mention the fckn anger issues,,,wow I get fckn pssy...

I wonder if I could pulll off a little 3 week M1T tren stack......If I could survive the blood pessure issues and anger I might survive....might.
 
Id be a god after those 3 weeks if I survived and did an extremely thourough PCT, nothing in the world would shut you down like that combo eh! lol.
 
By the way I dont run a ton of cycles and I am rwal careful just in case any onlookers think we soiund liek morons, I was actually almost about to retire from these orals....but I got another few good runs left in me!
 
Just give yourself enough time to recover and enough time to allow yourself to remember that you can actually make good gains naturally. Oh and recover those lipid profiles.

But ya wow, 3 weeks on M1t with good diet and such would be quite insane. If you survive lol.

Id do it. You only live once. Run Cycle Support like its your job and pray for forgiveness =]
 
fightbackhxc said:
He must have misunderstood the thread post.

Favorite SUPPLEMENT.

Food is not a supplement, you are taking supplements to take place of nutrients you dont get from food..........
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Or to "supplement" your nutrition.


"Definitions of 'supplement' (sŭṕlə-mənt)
Dictionary.com · The American Heritage® Dictionary - (5 definitions)

[Middle English, from Old French, from Latin supplēmentum, from supplēre, to complete; see supply.]

(noun)
Something added to complete a thing, make up for a deficiency, or extend or strengthen the whole. "
 
ecosocialist said:
I would absolutely argue that Phera Plex is a supplement.

About.com : According to the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA) of 1994, a dietary supplement is a product that contains substances like vitamins, minerals, foods, botanicals, amino acids and is intended to supplement the usual intake of these substances. Dietary supplements are found in pill, tablet, capsule, powder or liquid form and are meant to be taken by mouth.

I can understand interpreting that as you will, but honestly, whats the point? Im trying to understand the reasoning.

And really, no reason to get personal =]. Or to make assumptions about me lacking the desire to learn and such.

Are supplements steroids? No. But can a steroid be a supplement, sure, depends on how strict you define it. Does it add some benefit to a proper diet, routine, etc. Yes. Is it consumed in some way? Yes.

So yes, again, Phera plex is my favorite supplement. Yes, DMT can increase the size of my heart.

No, there is no reason beyond explanation for discussing further.

To try to add value to my post, minus phera plex, Dark Matter is my favorite supplement combination.
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I would have to disagree here. Do you regularly get Phera in your diet? Is there a need for more? No and No. Therefore Phera is not a supplement.
 
fightbackhxc said:
I would have to disagree here. Do you regularly get Phera in your diet? Is there a need for more? No and No. Therefore Phera is not a supplement.
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Is phera-plex an extract as categorized by Dshea? Yes.
Does phera plex come in a categorized dshea delivery form? Yes.
Does phera-plex strengthen or add to a dietary regimen? Yes.
 
ecosocialist said:
Is phera-plex an extract as categorized by Dshea? Yes.
Does phera plex come in a categorized dshea delivery form? Yes.
Does phera-plex strengthen or add to a dietary regimen? Yes.
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Phera-plex is a drug, wrapped up in a supplemental package. Steroids are drugs.

There. I said it.
 
Sweet if steroids are drugs then my body is a drug factory!!

I wonder if i can turn it into a profit....
 
I've tried: jack3d, super pump, NO shotgun, dominate, assault, nano vapor, black powder, and a host of other pre-workouts but the stuff I love and i almost hate to say it for pre-workout:

NO xplode by BSN.

I've used it for 4 years and it was the first supplement I ever took. I'm partial to it I guess.
 
its not that bad, just the serious stim junkies get nothing from it. better options now a days, all max has a new creatine free pre wo called muscle prime, thats my new favourite.
 
supplements.... ive found most are a waste of money, nothings gonna work much better for gains that some bulk creatine and protein. really its just easier to mix your own bulk products to be exactly what works for u. i wasted enough money on stuff that doesnt work.

ok... wait... one product does live up to its claim. glycergrow. crazy pumps that last a long time if you keep your water intake real high around gym time but u will piss like a racehorse a few hours later.

on the first page, someone mentioned gaba... i could never take that before working out. 15 minutes after i take it, im so beyond relaxed. the last thing im thinking about is lifting anything.
 
searl12 said:
someone already listed a steroid dude, and noone was really that impressed.
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Stolen from Wikipedia, obviously not the best source, but the criteria is correct.
In the United States, a dietary supplement is defined under the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994[11] (DSHEA) as a product that is intended to supplement the diet and contains any of the following dietary ingredients:
a vitamin
a mineral
an herb or other botanical (excluding tobacco)
an amino acid
a dietary substance for use by people to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake, or
a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract, or combination of any of the above

Does Phera-Plex fall under this category? Yes.

Furthermore, it must also conform to the following criteria:
intended for ingestion in pill, capsule, tablet, powder or liquid form

Does Phera-Plex fall under this category? Yes.

not represented for use as a conventional food or as the sole item of a meal or diet

Does Phera-Plex fall under this category? Yes.

labeled as a "dietary supplement"

Does Phera-Plex fall under this category? Yes.

The hormones DHEA (a steroid), pregnenolone (also a steroid) and the pineal hormone melatonin are marketed as dietary supplements in the US.
 
ecosocialist said:
Stolen from Wikipedia, obviously not the best source, but the criteria is correct.
In the United States, a dietary supplement is defined under the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994[11] (DSHEA) as a product that is intended to supplement the diet and contains any of the following dietary ingredients:
a vitamin
a mineral
an herb or other botanical (excluding tobacco)
an amino acid
a dietary substance for use by people to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake, or
a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract, or combination of any of the above

Does Phera-Plex fall under this category? Yes.

Furthermore, it must also conform to the following criteria:
intended for ingestion in pill, capsule, tablet, powder or liquid form

Does Phera-Plex fall under this category? Yes.

not represented for use as a conventional food or as the sole item of a meal or diet

Does Phera-Plex fall under this category? Yes.

labeled as a "dietary supplement"

Does Phera-Plex fall under this category? Yes.

The hormones DHEA (a steroid), pregnenolone (also a steroid) and the pineal hormone melatonin are marketed as dietary supplements in the US.
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Do we have a Supplement Forum? Yes.

Do we have an Anabolics Forum? Yes.

Are they separate Forums? Yes.

Is there a sticky in these Supplement Forums that state PH/steroid questions do not belong on the Supplement Sub- forum? Yes.

If we are posting Questions regarding Phera-Plex what Forum do we go to? The Anabolics Sub-Forum.

.... so as stated by others, Phera- Plex is not an answer.
 
NO shotgun, and extend did work well with me... but I can say I have seen the best results from an organized intake of fish oil, multi- v's, whey/casein, and bulk supplies from NP(mostly leucine, arginine,glu, mono,WMS, etc).
 
a dietary substance for use by people to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake, or
a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract, or combination of any of the above
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P-Plex is synthetic, so it doesn't fit any of the categories above.
 
marco wolf said:
P-Plex is synthetic, so it doesn't fit any of the categories above.
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You might be onto something with this.

Although, Phera-plex is a natural pheromone, by synthetically altering it with the 17a, you make it bioavailable.

Pheromones can definitely be DSHEA compliant. So it depends on whether alterations on a natural product, when still derived from that natural product, make it synthetic or not.

More correctly, phera plex would be considered a New Dietary Supplement.
 
searl12 said:
cant tell you how much I wanna try dark matter...and phera for that matter, lol
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I can't imagine how much that must suck with, I believe it's canadian pricing you have?
Man, even here with an employee discount, Dark Matter is too expensive.
So it's the (80?) serving green magnitude for me next.
And hey, congrats on the public apology thing. Not sure of the details but it's refreshing to see that type of respect nowadays.
 
thx man, classy move by mooch, i have green mag...was loving it, but I cant use it anymore , kidneys not working great and creatine dont mix. Id send you mine but Im not sure I can afford the S@H to the US, lol no lie....50 serving s+
 
searl12 said:
there you go, the phera debate ends....either way if thats his favourite thats his favourite.
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It ends because he's wrong.

I guess I'll cook up some crystal meth in my basement, put in a bottle and call it "Awake For A Week!". I'm sure that'd be someone's favorite "supplement", too.

LOL
 
I was going to let this drop, but I can't in good conscience. There's a reason there's an "Anabolic" section and a "Suppelement" section. First off, alot of these products are operating "under the radar" and we shouldn't be bringing attention to them with discussions like these in the "Supplement" section. Second, people cam be misled by statemnents like some of those made in this thread. I have nothing against the responsible use of drugs, and it's none of my business if an adult abuses drugs. However, alot of teenagers read these forums and are at risk.

Now, I probably shouldn't post this, but I'm removing the name of the product and the name of the company. This is part of a "Warning Letter" from the FDA, sent to a company not too long ago.


The product label and your website, from which this product may be ordered, represent this product as a dietary supplement. However, the product cannot be a dietary supplement because the active ingredient used in the product,----------, is not a vitamin, mineral,amino acid, herb or other botanical, or dietary substance for use by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake, nor is it a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract or combination of any dietary ingredient described above. Rather, it is a synthetic steroid. Consequently, ---------------- is not a "dietary ingredient" as defined in Section 201(ff) (1) of the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act (the Act) [21 USC 321(ff)(1)], and your product is not a dietary supplement because it does not contain a dietary ingredient.

Under Section 201(g)(1)(C) of the Act [21 USC 321(g)(1)(C)], products that are intended to affect the structure or function of the body are defined as drugs. The description of your product as "anabolic" on your product label and website, together with the other claims quoted above, establish that your product is intended to affect the structure or function of the body by building muscle, increasing strength, and inducing weight gain. Based on these claims, FDA considers ---------------- to be a drug.

Moreover, your product is also a new drug under Section 201(p) of the Act [21 USC 321(p)] because this product is not generally recognized as safe and effective for the uses claimed in its labeling. Under Section 505(a) of the Act [21 USC 355(a)], a new drug may not be introduced or delivered for introduction into interstate commerce unless an FDA-approved new drug application (NDA) is in effect for it. Because your product is not the subject of an approved NDA, it may not be marketed in the United States and its continued distribution violates Section 505(a) of the Act. Section 301(d) of the Act [21 USC 331(d)] prohibits the introduction or delivery for introduction into interstate commerce of any article in violation of Section 505.

You should also be aware that anabolic steroids may cause serious long-term adverse health consequences in men, women, and children. These include liver toxicity, testicular atrophy and male infertility, masculinization of women, breast enlargement in males, short stature in children, adverse effects on blood lipid levels, and a potential to increase the risk of heart attack and stroke.

The violations of the Act described above are not intended to be an all-inclusive list of violations concerning your firm and its products. It is your responsibility to ensure that all products marketed by your firm comply with the Act and its implementing regulations.
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futurepilot said:
GABA 5g pre-workout, it's like a whole new world.
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can you expand on that more? i've never taken it before a workout, would always be before bed...saying that i've got 500g and i've hardly touched it
 
marco wolf said:
It ends because he's wrong.

I guess I'll cook up some crystal meth in my basement, put in a bottle and call it "Awake For A Week!". I'm sure that'd be someone's favorite "supplement", too.

LOL
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Lol. that was my reason for not wanting hormonal products listed in this debate.
 
marco wolf said:
I was going to let this drop, but I can't in good conscience. There's a reason there's an "Anabolic" section and a "Suppelement" section. First off, alot of these products are operating "under the radar" and we shouldn't be bringing attention to them with discussions like these in the "Supplement" section. Second, people cam be misled by statemnents like some of those made in this thread. I have nothing against the responsible use of drugs, and it's none of my business if an adult abuses drugs. However, alot of teenagers read these forums and are at risk.

Now, I probably shouldn't post this, but I'm removing the name of the product and the name of the company. This is part of a "Warning Letter" from the FDA, sent to a company not too long ago.
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I do agree with this, like I said I was just trying to have it dropped, im pretty sure hes smart enough to know its not a supplement, regardless good post and I say we move on, anyone else?
 
The only things I could never go without are whey powder and bcaa's(extend, essentials).
But my favorite for real is Meltdown,.. I love the effect it has not only stim wise, but makes me horny as hell!!
 
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