Question re: PCS, Cycle Support

strester

strester

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I posted my upcoming Epistane cycle in the following Invalid Link Removed. Regarding the PCT, I was under the impression that PCS had natural test properties and that the Cycle Support contributed to cortisol control when continued into the PCT phase of a cycle. Maybe I misunderstood some of the threads I researched, so could someone from AI provide some incite and give their thoughts on the PCT I have set up? Thanks in advance for any help.
 
PCS has the test boosting properties, but where was your research on the cortisol regarding Cycle Support?

Which ingredient(s)?

Thanks
 
KmuL said:
PCS has the test boosting properties, but where was your research on the cortisol regarding Cycle Support?

Which ingredient(s)?

Thanks
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doh! double-checked my notes and the Cycle Support was for lipid control, not cort control ... looks like I will be adding another cortisol supplement around the third week of PCT ... although the PCS does have test boosting properties, is it enough by itself or would you still recommend a natty test booster being added?

panther77 said:
are you planning on running a serm?
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I was not planning on running a SERM ... there's so much back and forth regarding sources, legality, etc. that I was hoping to do a purely OTC PCT
 
strester said:
doh! double-checked my notes and the Cycle Support was for lipid control, not cort control ... looks like I will be adding another cortisol supplement around the third week of PCT ... although the PCS does have test boosting properties, is it enough by itself or would you still recommend a natty test booster being added?



I was not planning on running a SERM ... there's so much back and forth regarding sources, legality, etc. that I was hoping to do a purely OTC PCT
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it is a natty test booster

for the record I do recommend having a SERM on hand for Epi...better yet, run the SERM and add in the PCS with it around week 3 for 4 weeks
 
I prefer suggesting SERMs as well, but check this out (non-sponsored). Speedy used Anabolic Innovations Post Cycle Support and Cycle Support for his Oxodrol Pro cycle (Epistane Clone):

12 month cycle free labs:
Speedy_2007 said:
LIPID
NA 140
K+ 5.2
CL 102
CO2 31
Glucose 103
BUN 26 (marked as high?)

GLOMELULAR FILT
Creatine 1.0
GFR >90

BUN/CREAT Ratio 26.0 (marked as high?)
Total Protein 7.8
Albumin 4.6
Globulin 3.2
A/G Ratio 1.4
Calcium 9.5
Bilirubin Total 0.5
AST (SGOT) 31
ALT (SGPT) 50
ALK PHOS 104

Triglycerides 98
Cholesterol 236 (marked high which it has been since first tested. was 279 at one point)
HDL Cholesterol 40
LDL 176
VLDL 20
CHOL/HDL Ratio 5.9

Estradiol 19.2
Testosterone 513.3
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Post Cycle Labs:
Speedy_2007 said:
Doc called with the labs:

He didn't test everything that he tested the first go 'round so this time he only tested the following:

Estrogen 64 NORMAL <normal range 40 -115 for adult male>
LH 1.5 NORMAL <normal range 1.5-9.3>
*Total Test 200 LOW <normal range 241 - 827 ng/dl>
*Free Test 6.6 LOW <normal range 8.7 - 25.1 pg/ml>
FSH 4.0 NORMAL <normal range 1.4 - 18.1>

So as you can see the Oxodrol Pro (aka Epistane) suppressed my natural testosterone.

So I'm doing the AI's PCS now, will kick in some Lean Xtreme next week, and 6-oxo similar to what dmangiarelli's doing in this thread Invalid Link Removed.
Here are the supplements I've run along side:

Centrum Performance MV
AI Cycle Support @ 1 scoop daily (finished this on Sunday)
2G Flaxseed oil daily (Natrol) still using
5G BCAAs (SciFit) still using
Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard Whey (1-2 scoops daily) still using
Glucosamine and Chondroitin (NOW) still using

Sides were increased acne, pretty severe joint pain in my left shoulder and elbow, and depressed test system. No odd moods, hair falling out, or anything like that. I actually "felt" better than I normally do and was surprised to see the suppression.
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Speedy_2007 said:
OK, I got my PCT labs back and here are the results from what the doc felt needed testing:

Total Test: 545
Free Test: 15.8
Triglycerides 134
Cholesterol 195 (down from 236 pre cycle!!!!)
HDL Cholesterol 35
LDL 133
VLDL 27
Chol/HDL Ratio 5.6

Obviously the AI's Post Cycle Support did it's thing. These labs were a mere 32 days after my post cycle labs that showed drops in test. AI's PCS gets a big thumbs up!

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thanks for the input all ... found some research chems for my rats and will be using a SERM after all (tamox.citrate) in addition to the cycle support, pcs, and some lean xtreme that I picked up w/ the sweet sale at NP.
 
stxnas said:
I prefer suggesting SERMs as well, but check this out (non-sponsored). Speedy used Anabolic Innovations Post Cycle Support and Cycle Support for his Oxodrol Pro cycle (Epistane Clone):

12 month cycle free labs:


Post Cycle Labs:
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PCS did raise natural test well.
But his lipids show the need for continued Cycle support use during and past pct. They are still bad and his ratio is terrible. If it stays that way very long, he sets himself up for heart problems. That is why I always preach that you need MORE time off than just the standard "time on = time off" theory.
 
dg806 said:
PCS did raise natural test well.
But his lipids show the need for continued Cycle support use during and past pct. They are still bad and his ratio is terrible. If it stays that way very long, he sets himself up for heart problems. That is why I always preach that you need MORE time off than just the standard "time on = time off" theory.
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I agree totally on the more time off between cycles.
 
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