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The Perfect PCT

nattydisaster said:
Looks good but I agree with the fact you dont need the formex during cycle with Epi. With wet compounds though, it's a must.

Formex is good at boosting natural testosterone aside from just being an AI. It boosts free testosterone through lowering SHBG as well as being a mild 5a-reductase inhibitor, allowing less testosterone to convert to DHT and more to stay as testosterone.
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Hmm, is it potent enough to retain head hair after a couple months of using this product?
 
LAGear said:
Yeah, I wouldn't run Formex + Reversitol because they're both AI's.

Lately it seems like Formex and Reversitol are the most popular AI's. I've not heard many negative comments about either one so you can't go wrong either way. I would personally use Formex though if it's in stock anywhere.

DTHC does not have any AI properties so if you want to run a separate test booster that would be my choice based user feedback. If you are going to run PCS that has test boosting components as well so with Formex + PCS + DTHC you'll be tripled up in that department. That's what I'm doing in my current PCT (plus Torem) and it's going smoothly.
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Im starting to think aboiut not getting a SERM for this run...never got gyno before and the since Ive read more into the toxicity of Nolva, I dont want to take it. so I may just run the Formex, PCS, Divanex
calcaneous said:
I can not really find a serm. I don't trust ordering online and my gym has a lot fo undercover cops. Three guys were already busted for trying to sell.

I think im going to do this for PCT:

AI Post Cycle Support
AI Cycle support
Formex 50/50/25/25
diesel test hardcore ?

any good? im not going to order epi till i get my pct completely correct.
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that is what I asked, read the thread
BOHICA said:
SERM's aren't illegal so ordering online is about as big a deal as purchasing the current supplements you have listed above. Get a SERM or just don't take epi if you want to keep it simple.
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Natty or anyone,

I am going to start a cycle of Tren Xtreme for about 4 to 6 weeks.

My question is should I use Formex during my cycle or should I use AI cycle support?

Then as a PCT will Formex and PCS by AI be sufficient? Can I also use Novedex by Gaspari Nutrition?

I want to make sure I do my research before getting myself involved in this type of thing. Thanks!
 
KgTomCat said:
Im starting to think aboiut not getting a SERM for this run...never got gyno before and the since Ive read more into the toxicity of Nolva, I dont want to take it. so I may just run the Formex, PCS, Divanex
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Torem FTW

Forget Clomid and Nolva, Torem is the way to go. Torem's not as toxic and it works better.

As for toxicity of SERMs, as long as you aren't taking high doses I think you're OK. Don't women take this stuff for years? I think that's the point at which the SERMs can be toxic, but for PCT they're generally used for four weeks. I could be wrong about how long women use SERMs though, I'm not totally sure about that.
 
LAGear said:
Torem FTW

Forget Clomid and Nolva, Torem is the way to go. Torem's not as toxic and it works better.

As for toxicity of SERMs, as long as you aren't taking high doses I think you're OK. Don't women take this stuff for years? I think that's the point at which the SERMs can be toxic, but for PCT they're generally used for four weeks. I could be wrong about how long women use SERMs though, I'm not totally sure about that.
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Ive never looked into Torem, only Clomid and Nolva...I dont even know how to dose Torem, Im reading info on it and it says Torem is used for high blood pressure and excess fluid retention causing swelling (oedema) due to any cause...?
 
KgTomCat said:
Ive never looked into Torem, only Clomid and Nolva...I dont even know how to dose Torem, Im reading info on it and it says Torem is used for high blood pressure and excess fluid retention causing swelling (oedema) due to any cause...?
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Are you looking up Toremifene? It's a SERM. Here's the wikipedia - Invalid Link Removed (not very useful for our purposes though).

You'll find that almost anyone who's used Torem will not go back to Nolva or Clomid. I believe it's about double the cost of Nolva/Clomid from research chem companies but your lab rats are worth it!
 
LAGear said:
Why don't you trust buying online? There are reputable and reliable websites where you can legally buy a SERM. You're not doing anything illegal. Besides, what do you think undercover cops are going to do, follow you home from the gym and watch you dose the SERM?

If you think you should use a SERM then if you live in the US there's no need not to use one. If you think that OTC is better then using a SERM then you've got nothing to worry about. Personally, I wouldn't use anything without Torem for PCT, but on this website that puts me in the minority.
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BOHICA said:
SERM's aren't illegal so ordering online is about as big a deal as purchasing the current supplements you have listed above. Get a SERM or just don't take epi if you want to keep it simple.
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sorry guys, im still learning. Im researching a lot before i even consider buying anything. So im not going to buy this stuff until im 100% sure i know exactly what to take and what to expect.
 
calcaneous said:
I can not really find a serm. I don't trust ordering online and my gym has a lot fo undercover cops. Three guys were already busted for trying to sell.

I think im going to do this for PCT:

AI Post Cycle Support
AI Cycle support
Formex 50/50/25/25
diesel test hardcore ?

any good? im not going to order epi till i get my pct completely correct.
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That's a good PCT
 
lbplayer20 said:
Natty or anyone,

I am going to start a cycle of Tren Xtreme for about 4 to 6 weeks.

My question is should I use Formex during my cycle or should I use AI cycle support?

Then as a PCT will Formex and PCS by AI be sufficient? Can I also use Novedex by Gaspari Nutrition?

I want to make sure I do my research before getting myself involved in this type of thing. Thanks!
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I wouldnt use Novedex with Formex. Just use the Formex and PCS. On cycle, you can use Formex and Cycle Support.
 
KgTomCat said:
I think Formex has anti-cortisol properties, not sure though :dunno:
I wouldnt run Formex through your whole cycle, only one; cycle or PCT
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Yeah, i decided to stick to this plan for PCT:
AI CS
AI PCS
IBE Formex 50/50/25/25
DTHC
and depending on x-lean version 2.0, ill throw that in there too for anti-cort.

I only workout, three times a week, do you think epi will still be beneficial to take? Maybe take only on the days i work out?

LakeMountD said:
It can definitely be useful. And just to let you guys know. X-Lean Version 2 will be out within a month or so :).
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I was looking into x-lean for anti-cort, but if a better version is coming out, then ill wait for that.
 
My cycle look ok?

Cycle:
Week 1: 30mg Epistane by IBE + 1 Scoop of Cycle Support by AI
Week 2: 30mg Epistane by IBE + 1 Scoop of Cycle Support by AI
Week 3: 30mg Epistane by IBE + 1 Scoop of Cycle Support by AI
Week 4: 30mg Epistane by IBE + 1 Scoop of Cycle Support by AI

PCT:
Week 5: 50mg Formex + 1 Scoop Cycle Support + 2 Caps AM / 2 Caps PM, Post Cycle Support
Week 6: 50mg Formex + 1 Scoop Cycle Support + 2 Caps AM / 2 Caps PM, Post Cycle Support
Week 7: 25mg Formex + 1 Scoop Cycle Support + 2 Caps AM / 2 Caps PM, Post Cycle Support
Week 8: 25mg Formex + 1 Scoop Cycle Support + 2 Caps AM / 2 Caps PM, Post Cycle Support

I work out on a 4-day split, so as the guy was just talking about pulsing on a 3-day split, would it be more beneficial to pulse or just run the cycle on a 4-day split? =/
 
AwfullyAmazin said:
My cycle look ok?

Cycle:
Week 1: 30mg Epistane by IBE + 1 Scoop of Cycle Support by AI
Week 2: 30mg Epistane by IBE + 1 Scoop of Cycle Support by AI
Week 3: 30mg Epistane by IBE + 1 Scoop of Cycle Support by AI
Week 4: 30mg Epistane by IBE + 1 Scoop of Cycle Support by AI

PCT:
Week 5: 50mg Formex + 1 Scoop Cycle Support + 2 Caps AM / 2 Caps PM, Post Cycle Support
Week 6: 50mg Formex + 1 Scoop Cycle Support + 2 Caps AM / 2 Caps PM, Post Cycle Support
Week 7: 25mg Formex + 1 Scoop Cycle Support + 2 Caps AM / 2 Caps PM, Post Cycle Support
Week 8: 25mg Formex + 1 Scoop Cycle Support + 2 Caps AM / 2 Caps PM, Post Cycle Support

I work out on a 4-day split, so as the guy was just talking about pulsing on a 3-day split, would it be more beneficial to pulse or just run the cycle on a 4-day split? =/
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I would take out CS in PCT...the split is up to you, do whichever you think you can manage better
 
KgTomCat said:
I would take out CS in PCT...the split is up to you, do whichever you think you can manage better
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Hmm. In this thread some people are saying to take both? Is this just something that varies from person to person? I guess I'll save the other half of the CS for another cycle. :D Thanks.
 
AwfullyAmazin said:
Hmm. In this thread some people are saying to take both? Is this just something that varies from person to person? I guess I'll save the other half of the CS for another cycle. :D Thanks.
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I'm not 100% positive, but I stopped when I was in PCT, its up to you, I'd get some more opinions first
 
AwfullyAmazin said:
My cycle look ok?

Cycle:
Week 1: 30mg Epistane by IBE + 1 Scoop of Cycle Support by AI
Week 2: 30mg Epistane by IBE + 1 Scoop of Cycle Support by AI
Week 3: 30mg Epistane by IBE + 1 Scoop of Cycle Support by AI
Week 4: 30mg Epistane by IBE + 1 Scoop of Cycle Support by AI

PCT:
Week 5: 50mg Formex + 1 Scoop Cycle Support + 2 Caps AM / 2 Caps PM, Post Cycle Support
Week 6: 50mg Formex + 1 Scoop Cycle Support + 2 Caps AM / 2 Caps PM, Post Cycle Support
Week 7: 25mg Formex + 1 Scoop Cycle Support + 2 Caps AM / 2 Caps PM, Post Cycle Support
Week 8: 25mg Formex + 1 Scoop Cycle Support + 2 Caps AM / 2 Caps PM, Post Cycle Support

I work out on a 4-day split, so as the guy was just talking about pulsing on a 3-day split, would it be more beneficial to pulse or just run the cycle on a 4-day split? =/
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Looks good, like Kg said, if youre pulsing no need for the CS in PCT.
 
AwfullyAmazin said:
Hmm. In this thread some people are saying to take both? Is this just something that varies from person to person? I guess I'll save the other half of the CS for another cycle. :D Thanks.
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I take both because I am overly cautious about my health...but I like prohormones :). If i did a 3 day pulse though, I wouldnt use the CS in PCT.
 
No no, you guys misunderstood. I was asking if I should pulse since I only workout on a 4 day split? Or should I just run the cycle? But I think I'll just run the cycle all the way through. With that said CS in PCT?
 
I would recommend taking the CS during PCT. Many people advise doing this and there's no harm in taking extra precautions.

I think you should be using two scoops ED of CS on cycle though.
 
A friend of mine gave me a box of mass tabs, ripped tabs, an bromodrol. I've been trying to figure out a proper way to use these supplements (any combo). As far as the PCT, everyone has so many different opinions!!! The very first post in this thread looks fine to me, but I've never used any of these supplements before. Can someone who knows what they are talking about help me out?
 
jacked04 said:
A friend of mine gave me a box of mass tabs, ripped tabs, an bromodrol. I've been trying to figure out a proper way to use these supplements (any combo). As far as the PCT, everyone has so many different opinions!!! The very first post in this thread looks fine to me, but I've never used any of these supplements before. Can someone who knows what they are talking about help me out?
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Try starting a whole new thread in the anabolics section. You will get a lot of replies.
 
How would this PCT work for my 12 week sus250 cycle, and 4 week dbol cycle. I have nolva and most likely going to be buying these formex caps, now I just need arimidex.

But is this sufficient enough to hold most my gains from a sus dbol cycle? Im taking .10mgs of nolva just to reduce gyno and bloat. And saving the rest for PCT.

What do you guys think?

Great thread btw, very helpful especially if it works with my cycle.
 
What do you think?

P-Plex 10/20/20/20
Cycle Assist 4tabs a day
Fish Oil

PCT
Week 1: Tamoxifene 40mg, IBE Formex 50mg, Cycle Assist 2 tabs a day, [Diesel Test Hardcore 2 tabs]
Week 2: Tamoxifene 40mg, IBE Formex 50mg, Cycle Assist 2 tabs a day, [Diesel Test Hardcore 2 tabs]
Week 3: Tamoxifene 20mg, IBE Formex 25mg, Cycle Assist 2 tabs a day,[Diesel Test Hardcore 1 tab]
Week 4: Tamoxifene 20mg, IBE Formex 25mg, Cycle Assist 2 tabs a day,[Diesel Test Hardcore 1 tab]
 
Getbiig said:
How would this PCT work for my 12 week sus250 cycle, and 4 week dbol cycle. I have nolva and most likely going to be buying these formex caps, now I just need arimidex.

But is this sufficient enough to hold most my gains from a sus dbol cycle? Im taking .10mgs of nolva just to reduce gyno and bloat. And saving the rest for PCT.

What do you guys think?

Great thread btw, very helpful especially if it works with my cycle.
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Personally, I would use clomid, and keep the nolva if gyno symptoms appear. Clomid brings you back a lot faster, and the faster you bounce back, the easier it'll be for you to hang on to what you gained.
 
I will be coming off of a pmag cycle
Dosage for pmag 50/50/50/50
Dosage for CEL cycle assist 4x2/4x2/4x2/4x2
PCT
dosage for formex 50/50/25/25
Dosage for pct assist 3x2/3x2/3x2/3/2

Should i add anything else into my pct? such as inhibit-e or reduce xt?
 
Mike Monto said:
I will be coming off of a pmag cycle
Dosage for pmag 50/50/50/50
Dosage for CEL cycle assist 4x2/4x2/4x2/4x2
PCT
dosage for formex 50/50/25/25
Dosage for pct assist 3x2/3x2/3x2/3/2

Should i add anything else into my pct? such as inhibit-e or reduce xt?
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looks good...might want a stronger test booster like Blue Up or Reversitol..there's a ton of them out there. Inhibit-E is for test and estrogen mainly, I would mix Formex and Inhibit-E though, there basically the same thing, Inhibit-E over Formex though...
 
KgTomCat said:
looks good...might want a stronger test booster like Blue Up or Reversitol..there's a ton of them out there. Inhibit-E is for test and estrogen mainly, I would mix Formex and Inhibit-E though, there basically the same thing, Inhibit-E over Formex though...
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with inhibit-e add in any kind of tribulus for test?
 
how would PCS,FORMEX, DTPC (deisel test pro cycle) and maybe throw in LEAN FX at like week 3 be for a pct? or is it overkill?

coming off a cycle of pplex and epi.
 
JorS said:
Where can you get some toremefine and formex?
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Formex is made by ibe and can be bought at nutraplanet
as well as cel's formestane which is topical formex.

torem is a serm, a highly priced one at that and can only be
bought through research companies which i can not name.

Just stop and research or vice versa on google
and im sure you can find some. :laugh2:
 
Im just running a serm with Anabolic Innovations PCS, im going to follow the same format as posted just without formex. Ive was only on the market for formex or PCS and if I wanted to hold the majority of my gains I heard PCS was the way to go.
 
would formex and pcs would a sufficient non serm pct for a EOD epistane pulse?
cycle plan:

wk 1: 20/30/40/40 mon-tues-thurs-fri
wk 2: 40/40/40 mon-wed-fri
wk 3: off
wk 4: off
wks 5-8: repeat 1 thru 4
 
I'm planning on doing my first Prohormone cycle and have decided on taking H-drol.

Would the non-serm PCT in the first post be all i would need after finishing up on H-drol? i understand it is very mild if not the mildest PH out there so i'm wondering if it would be overkill 2 have formex+cs+pcs.

was previously going to do the recommendation on otcpct.com but after reading this thread i'm thinking on doing this instead.

Which would be better/most recommended out of the 2?
 
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