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Wanna try 1T but scared of sides

E J

E J

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I have really been considering running 6 weeks of 1T, I have no experience with ph's so I am kinda scared of sides. specially libido loss and gyno. I tend to accumulate fat on my chest (I know that is not gyno but don't wanna make it worse).

How bad is libido loss on 1T and could I take anything to counteract it? and was thinking about adding 50mgs of oral preg to counteract DHT conversion.

My concern with libido is that it has not been that high lately and even while running TRS whuch I am in my second week now it hasn't truly gone up only slightly.

Thanks in advance guys really looking formard to the HMS stack.
 
E J said:
I have really been considering running 6 weeks of 1T, I have no experience with ph's so I am kinda scared of sides. specially libido loss and gyno. I tend to accumulate fat on my chest (I know that is not gyno but don't wanna make it worse).

How bad is libido loss on 1T and could I take anything to counteract it? and was thinking about adding 50mgs of oral preg to counteract DHT conversion.

My concern with libido is that it has not been that high lately and even while running TRS whuch I am in my second week now it hasn't truly gone up only slightly.

Thanks in advance guys really looking formard to the HMS stack.
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You could always start with something a bit milder like Invalid Link Removed. In fact, for your first cycle i'd recommend that. It will give you a bit of insight on how your body reacts along with the benefits it provides. Dermacrine is an excellent first cycle product imo.

I didn't note much in terms of libido loss with 1-T, but that can and will vary with each user. The majority of user feedback we've received hasn't reported much to that effect either.

The precise amount of pregnenolone we've added to the formulas' was specific to help control the DHT issue. I wouldn't add anymore into the mix as it can cause more harm than good here.

I'd give the TRS stack time to kick in. During weeks 2 and 3 you should really start to note the effects. If you have any specific questions just let me know, buddy. :)
 
Thanks T1, would I need pct for dermacrine? What about SERMs on hand with either Dermacrine or 1-T. Would formestane (got some on hand) help in any way with the 1-T cycle either in it or for pct? Sorry about all the questions but I'm really excited about this!

About the TRS, I'm starting about to finish 2nd week so I will let you know about the effects next week, see what happens.
Thanks for the help very much appreciated.
 
E J said:
Thanks T1, would I need pct for dermacrine? What about SERMs on hand with either Dermacrine or 1-T. Would formestane (got some on hand) help in any way with the 1-T? Sorry about all the questions but I'm really excited about this!

About the TRS, I'm starting about to finish 2nd week so I will let you know about the effects next week, see what happens.
Thanks for the help very much appreciated.
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Anytime, EJ. That's why i'm here; to help you guys in what ways that i can. :)

You would need a mild PCT for the Dermacrine. It's a milder hormonal product in nature, but still suppressive in ways. The TRS stack is more than enough for recovery from Dermacrine and 1-T. Now, i personally recommend always having a SERM on-hand. I say this because you always want to be prepared for the worst (preparation is the key to success). The hormonal balance in our bodies is very fragile, and even the slightest mitigation can have profound effects.

In regard to the 1-T questions: I think that i would only suggest a very mild dose of formestane to those that have had prior issues, or current issues with gyno symptomatology. Being this would be your first adventure, i would not go crazy with trying to mitigate every potential aspect of the cycle; this often leads to more problems than not. At times guys can have transiet issues of nipple sensitivity. I encourage those people to wait a few days to see if the symptoms become progressive and more profound. Very often the resolve on their own and the cycle continues as planned. If there is a progressive nature in sensitivity and a palpable mass, at that point you'll want to intervene as a means of prevention.

When you get ready to do this, PM me and i'll help you get set-up, and also help you along the way. :)

Keep me updated with the TRS results. I really think you're going to see some nice improvements in libido and well-being in the coming weeks. Thanks for the support, EJ!
 
E J said:
pm sent thanks T1
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I used both Dermacrine and 1-T and I must say that Dermacrine do exactly oposite in terms of sides (noticably energy, mood and libido boost). On the other side 1-T give me lethargy (most undesirable side for me), libido loss after 3weeks but excelent strenght improvment. I was adding weight every workout.
Dermacrine didn't gave me much size and stregnht, but it was very useful for recovery, libido and mood.

p.s.: I'm 30y old.
 
Thanks for the feedback Markoni, how bad was libido loss on 1T? What did you use for PCT?

I was adding weight every workout.
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Sound great, did you maintain your gains (both strenght and mass) after the cycle?
 
E J said:
Thanks for the feedback Markoni, how bad was libido loss on 1T? What did you use for PCT?



Sound great, did you maintain your gains (both strenght and mass) after the cycle?
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My cycle was Havoc 30mg/day first 3,5week (I had opened bottle from last cycle) then 1-T solo, last week standard dose of 11-oxo clone.

I used 11-OXO (300mg Adrenosterone) bridge one week last of cycle and one week after cycle (700mg adrenosterone)
Sustain Alpha with MAN Primal Male as PCT
Libido was significant lower then usual after 3weeks, testicles doesn't shrink at all. After one week PCT everything get back to normal, after two weeks I had ibido 18 years old "horny as hell" teeneger ;) My buddies got huge same time. I had same experience with DTH

After PCT maintain all my strenght and mass, unfortunately all my FAT. I'm endo. Never dieting during PCT.

This my 3rd cycle. First Havoc solo
second Havoc/propadrol with 11-oxo bridge
last - Havoc jump/1-T/11-oxo bridge - my best

Sides: Backpump from Havoc, lower libido and lethargy from 1-T, must buy new clothes from both ;)
 
After one week PCT everything get back to normal, after two weeks I had ibido 18 years old "horny as hell" teeneger My buddies got huge same time. I had same experience with DTH
After PCT maintain all my strenght and mass
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Sounds great!!! I like the part of maintaining strenght and size (and the libido one too of course)

I will probably give 1T a try in about 2 weeks (the time it gets for it to get to Mexico, also the time I will be finishing my TRS and my cut), with the TRS for PCT

I just wanted to clear some things first just to be sure because I really have no experience on ph's.

I've heard one must up the protein intake while on cycle correct? will 3,000 in a 40/40/20 macro ratio sound ok? For libido I've got some NP's Horny Mack Jack stack left so I was planning to use it while on cycle to help libido, but I am not sure if it could affect negatively (long jack maybe?)

Stats:
Age 27
Height 6 ft
Weight 185 lbs
BF 14% (hopefully 12% in 2 weeks)

Thanks!
 
E J said:
Sounds great!!! I like the part of maintaining strenght and size (and the libido one too of course)

I will probably give 1T a try in about 2 weeks (the time it gets for it to get to Mexico, also the time I will be finishing my TRS and my cut), with the TRS for PCT

I just wanted to clear some things first just to be sure because I really have no experience on ph's.

I've heard one must up the protein intake while on cycle correct? will 3,000 in a 40/40/20 macro ratio sound ok? For libido I've got some NP's Horny Mack Jack stack left so I was planning to use it while on cycle to help libido, but I am not sure if it could affect negatively (long jack maybe?)

Stats:
Age 27
Height 6 ft
Weight 185 lbs
BF 14% (hopefully 12% in 2 weeks)

Thanks!
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No one can say for 100%. You should take more protein and calories, but there isn't exact number for everyone. Just up your calories a little and take more protein and you will see. If you don't gain weight, take more, if gaining too much fat cut calories a little.
For me there is no such thing as clean bulk, some fat is acceptable in my age and body type. I have best result with very high volume training during cycle (Bear routine is my favourite), in PCT switch to high intensity to maintain strenght.
For libido issue I didn't use anything, but I think some herbal stuff should'n hurt or low dose Sustain with Toco might help (ask PP guys)
Lethargy was bigger problem for me. I find Sulbutiamine caps helpful, but NP doesn't sell them anymore. Avoid amphetamine-like stimulants, save them for worst days or diet.
High volume training, plenty of rest, plenty of food and make sure your girlfriend likes huge guys....
 
Just up your calories a little and take more protein and you will see. If you don't gain weight, take more, if gaining too much fat cut calories a little.
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Yeah I guess it is all about calibrating till I find my sweet spot.

I'm gonna use maca, avena sativa, rhodiola rosea, Dim and hgw for libido support while on.

Does anybody know if coleus forskohli would be counterproductive? I've heard it has some estrogenic properties or something like that (not even sure that is bad)

Thanks again man you've been very helpful
 
E J said:
Yeah I guess it is all about calibrating till I find my sweet spot.

I'm gonna use maca, avena sativa, rhodiola rosea, Dim and hgw for libido support while on.

Does anybody know if coleus forskohli would be counterproductive? I've heard it has some estrogenic properties or something like that (not even sure that is bad)

Thanks again man you've been very helpful
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I thing it's too much supps. If you bought it all, try maca or HGW and save others for PCT. Don't push it hard. If you take all this supp same time you never know what actualy help you or harm you.
You seems to be too scared of libido loss. Don't worry too much, little guy won't let you down, you'll just need less sex ;)
On the other side, less sex gives you more sleep and recovery :D
 
You seems to be too scared of libido loss. Don't worry too much, little guy won't let you down, you'll just need less sex
On the other side, less sex gives you more sleep and recovery
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Man talk about looking at the glass as half full lol
Seriously, I really appreciate all you guys help. I just went ahead and ordered the 1T and TRS for PCT (HMS).

T1 adviced having some vitex and an AI, so since I have some TD form all I need is the vitex.

Thanks again for all your help, now the part I hate the most... waiting for orders to arrive (wondering if customs will let them through, the post losing them, plus it takes around 2 weeks becuase Fedex always stops my orders so I go the EMS route)...
 
Ok so I'm starting my 1-T on Monday (well actually sunday since I workout and shower in the mornings after my WO I thought I would have the first application on Sunday to have some in me Monday morning)

One quick question I have some formestane in penetrate laying around, should I use it when on cycle? I've heard people recomending an AI.

Thanks all.

BTW would really appreciate it if you guys gave me your opinions on my diet.

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E J said:
Ok so I'm starting my 1-T on Monday (well actually sunday since I workout and shower in the mornings after my WO I thought I would have the first application on Sunday to have some in me Monday morning)

One quick question I have some formestane in penetrate laying around, should I use it when on cycle? I've heard people recomending an AI.

Thanks all.

BTW would really appreciate it if you guys gave me your opinions on my diet.

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It's good you have it on hand, but i wouldn't use it unless it's needed. Good luck with the cycle!
 
MAxximal said:
I never use a PCT for 1-T this stuff put me ULTRA destructive in the gym
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I'd recommend a PCT mate after a cycle of 1-T, it's powerful stuff and considering you'll probably have saved money in other areas (liver support supplements for example) you can't really afford not to.
 
MAxximal said:
I never use a PCT for 1-T this stuff put me ULTRA destructive in the gym
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We definitely encourage a PCT; our Invalid Link Removed is the perfect option. :)

I know exactly what you mean about tearing the gym up, haha! :D
 
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