IBE Formex vs iForce Reversitol for epi ptc

[fueledpassion]

An AI is an aromatase inhibitor. Epi doesn't aromatize so there's no need for it.

Some people use an AI in PCT instead of using a serm even for things that don't aromatize but in my opinion you should always use a serm.

There is this really weird philosophy which is prevalent on this website (I believe due to very active reps who post here) that for some reason OTC PCT is somehow better or more desirable than using a serm. This philosophy does not exist on other websites with less rep activity.

I've yet to hear a rational reason why it's better to go OTC "with a serm on hand just in case" instead of just using the serm to begin with. The only LOGICAL reasons for not using a serm are if you can't get one or you are uncomfortable with research chems. If you live in the U.S. neither of these things should apply.

And if you don't mind spending a little more for your serm you really should use torem rather than nolva or clomid.

Yes, there is definitely a risk of gyno from epi but an AI can actually increase the risk of gyno if you aren't careful. Plus AI's can cause hair loss, increse cholesterol, etc. Some people experience side effects with serms too, but as far as side effects go torem is very mild.

Thats a good post. But there is one thing I do support about OTC PCT over traditional use of SERMs.

I look forward to companies pioneering more OTC PCT products in hopes that they actually work as well as SERMs with less severe side-affects (one day). The more we try these products and accurately log them the more we learn about what works and what doesnt work. In turn, the products can eventually evolve into a more perfect PCT substitute over SERMs.

These are the PCT products that I think are going somewhere in the future:

PP's TRS
IBE Formex & td formestane products
Reversitol
T-Rez by Nutraplanet

Although Reversitol does have ATD, which seems to be controversial to the bodybuilding community..so we know it cant be completely trusted. So why not opt for Nutraplanet's T-Rez and buy the I3C and 6-Bromo separately? Sure, it will cost a little more but it guarantees no ATD in your PCT.

Personally, I'm thinking TRS and other similar test boosters, Formex, T-Rez, I3C, and 6-Bromo are the compounds/products that will take us somewhere with OTC PCT. Reversitol sounds good and I'd like to try it one day, but if there is doubt about ATD, then I'd say it wont be long before there is a revised formula for Reversitol. Either that or the ATD myth will be debunked altogether and people will trust it in PCT. My .02.

 

[nattydisaster]

Just trying to answer some general topics i've seen discussed in this thread.

Formex dose for PCT: 50/50/25/25

Formestane does not act as an anti-androgen in any way, nor does it keep T from binding to the androgen receptor. This has been reported in ATD though.

 

[LAGear]

Thats a good post. But there is one thing I do support about OTC PCT over traditional use of SERMs.

I look forward to companies pioneering more OTC PCT products in hopes that they actually work as well as SERMs with less severe side-affects (one day). The more we try these products and accurately log them the more we learn about what works and what doesnt work. In turn, the products can eventually evolve into a more perfect PCT substitute over SERMs.

These are the PCT products that I think are going somewhere in the future:

PP's TRS
IBE Formex & td formestane products
Reversitol
T-Rez by Nutraplanet

Although Reversitol does have ATD, which seems to be controversial to the bodybuilding community..so we know it cant be completely trusted. So why not opt for Nutraplanet's T-Rez and buy the I3C and 6-Bromo separately? Sure, it will cost a little more but it guarantees no ATD in your PCT.

Personally, I'm thinking TRS and other similar test boosters, Formex, T-Rez, I3C, and 6-Bromo are the compounds/products that will take us somewhere with OTC PCT. Reversitol sounds good and I'd like to try it one day, but if there is doubt about ATD, then I'd say it wont be long before there is a revised formula for Reversitol. Either that or the ATD myth will be debunked altogether and people will trust it in PCT. My .02.

Good post.

My biggest gripe is the way people continuously imply that OTC is better than SERM. It's just not true and I believe it's largely due to the reps who push their products on us at EVERY opportunity. It's like a never ending din that can drive you nuts. And I've seen more than one occasion where someone wanted feedback on their deficient PCT and a rep said it was fine just because their products were included.

I agree that Formex has a lot of potential, from what I've read. TRS is a problem for me because it's a topical and hard for me to use consistently. Plus, I don't hear much about TRS outside of the PP forums. Formex garnered widespread enthusiasm when it was released but I don't sense that for TRS. Doesn't mean it's no good, just means the jury's still out IMO.

I don't know anything about T-Rez.

 

[fueledpassion]

Good post.

My biggest gripe is the way people continuously imply that OTC is better than SERM. It's just not true and I believe it's largely due to the reps who push their products on us at EVERY opportunity. It's like a never ending din that can drive you nuts. And I've seen more than one occasion where someone wanted feedback on their deficient PCT and a rep said it was fine just because their products were included.

I agree that Formex has a lot of potential, from what I've read. TRS is a problem for me because it's a topical and hard for me to use consistently. Plus, I don't hear much about TRS outside of the PP forums. Formex garnered widespread enthusiasm when it was released but I don't sense that for TRS. Doesn't mean it's no good, just means the jury's still out IMO.

I don't know anything about T-Rez.

Yes. Good points. I actually try to focus on what does work -> then observe the compounds used -> then find better/cheaper/more effective products using the positive compounds of the proven products and yet lack the negative compounds. An example I've found recently..

Reversitol

The controversy here is the ATD used in Reversitol..so let's find a similar product lacking the ATD. I found T-Rez, I3C, 6-Bromo, and LongJack will get you an ATD-less version of Reversitol. However, you'll have to do the grunt work and figure out the optimal proportions. But it's a start regardless.

When we look at other things such as Formex vs. TD Formestane..well..transdermal does sound more promising just because it is gauranteed bioavailability...but I truly think if you take your Formex w/ fatty meals or fish oils you'll be just fine with bioavailability. Same stuff, just different applications. I had nothing but positive feedback for the Formex.

I cant stress enough to observing and researching individual compounds, rather than just researching the product as a whole in itself. I've learned so much more by just spending an extra 30 minutes looking into the individual composition of each PCT product. This way I know what parts do which functions as these new OTC PCT products seem to advertise "doing it all". I didnt buy into the potency of Formex being stout enough to bring me back after a nice, hard shutdown on Tren (19-Nor). lol. Formestane does act as a prohormone to 4-hydroxytestosterone, which might be why it is advertised as a test booster of the sort. However, it has weak-androgenic activity at best. I just didnt see anything chemically convincing that it was going to indeed be stong enough for my shutdown issues. And indeed, I couldnt have been more right. However, with that said, Formex does extremely well as reducing gyno aggravation/flare-ups as Formestane is known for, and as I experienced first hand. So bottom line, I opted to give this TRS a try. Although not many reviews..I've heard nothing but goodness coming from users who tried it. So I start my PCT w/ TRS today as a matter of fact. And tomorrow I start my logging.

 

[LAGear]

Just trying to answer some general topics i've seen discussed in this thread.

Formex dose for PCT: 50/50/25/25

Formestane does not act as an anti-androgen in any way, nor does it keep T from binding to the androgen receptor. This has been reported in ATD though.

I have Formex because I was going to run it as a standalone instead of in my PCT. If I add it to my PCT 50/50/25/25 do I need to wait before starting to take it as a standalone?

And what's the recommended dosage if using it as a standalone?

 

[LAGear]

So bottom line, I opted to give this TRS a try. Although not many reviews..I've heard nothing but goodness coming from users who tried it. So I start my PCT w/ TRS today as a matter of fact. And tomorrow I start my logging.

Where are you logging? Looking forward to following along.

Good luck!

 

[alwaysgaining]

Now you just need your balls to drop... :footinmouth:

lmao!

 

[fueledpassion]

Where are you logging? Looking forward to following along.

Good luck!

I havent started loggin on the site yet. But either tonight or tomorrow I'll start a new thread and go from there. I started taking TRS last night actually. Nice quality and a no hassle application.