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Hair Loss Prevention

i'm likely to be starting (hopefully HRT) in may. at this stage i'm not sure what the doctor will suggest i take, but i have read that androgel increases DHT which for hairloss is a bad thing so i'm going to push for test cyp, anyway to get to the point i have read, think it was an article by dr chrysler that finistride should not be taken with HRT. this poses a problem cos i would like to start both, did you take it on yourself to start finastride or was it the docs? did you have any shed?

btw androgel and test cyp are the same exact thing. angrogel comes in a pump and a patch. Both which offers a sustained release of tesosterone. Test cyp is also testosterone with an ester attachment. In the end your body recognizes both as testosterone as your body will break down the ester attachment anyhow.

cyp or androgel their both testosterone, which is a precursor to DHT.
 
What is hair loss like with a PH Tren proeuct like "X-Tren"

I know it advertise that it doesn't cause hairloss cause it doens't covernt to DHT, but is that true?

and if not, would AA and Minoxidil still work? (it's working great for my test cycle, no hair loss AT ALL)
 
Fellas, I've been taking Finasteride, 1 mg, for about 6-8 weeks now, and I can't really tell whether it's working. I no longer see hair in the bathtub. (That said, I thought that you usually shed more after commencing treatment, as the baby hair is replaced by fuller, coarser hair.) But I don't really see regrowth either. Note, I have intentionally spread the hair at the crown to reveal the hair thinning -- if I comb forward, you can't see much loss.

Also, I don't know if you can see it in this photo, but my scalp is pretty red. A dermo dxed dermatitis and gave me a foaming cortisone cream. I use it daily, at the same time as Rogaine, but I still get sores and often feel like there is inflammation on my head. I suppose it's possible that the rogaine is causing some irritation.

On a final note, can someone give me some feedback on whether this is the kind of MPB that, when caught at this juncture, can be successfully resisted/treated such that my crown is again fuller. Note, I am on HRT, with T and FT levels in the 75ish%. Five years ago, I had friends telling me it looked like I would never lose my hair, and my maternal GF had a full head at 83. I guess I should be glad to have what I have at 38, but adjusting to change is relative. And I'd rather have less hair and the testosterone of a man in his 30s, rather than a man in his 80s (secondary hypogonadal), as was the case before.

Thanks immensely for any feedback/suggestions.
J

New photos. I think the hair is coming in thicker. Before photo is the last one (called pre-fin). Feedback?

TIA,
J
 

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yes there is a noticeable difference for sure.

Thanks brothers. I do think I feel some difference from the lower DHT, but it has not hindered my workouts or gains. I suppose it's all a balancing act. It's good to know it's working at least.

Take care.
 
Propecia

I have been on propecia since Jan 09. I have not noticed any decrease in libido or muscle mass or tightness. In fact I have lost three pounds (went from 165 to 162), obtain more definition and gotten stronger in all lifts. I can now squat 225 atg for 20 reps. I also know other people who have been on it for 3 years and have not noticed any of the effects that people mention on these forums. I recommend propecia/finasteride to anybody that has thinned out or are starting to go bald.

In the coming months I plan on doing a cycle of h-drol. So I let everybody know if taking these phs/ds has any effect.
 
I have been on propecia since Jan 09. I have not noticed any decrease in libido or muscle mass or tightness. In fact I have lost three pounds (went from 165 to 162), obtain more definition and gotten stronger in all lifts. I can now squat 225 atg for 20 reps. I also know other people who have been on it for 3 years and have not noticed any of the effects that people mention on these forums. I recommend propecia/finasteride to anybody that has thinned out or are starting to go bald.

In the coming months I plan on doing a cycle of h-drol. So I let everybody know if taking these phs/ds has any effect.

Impressive lift -- reminds me of "Brawn" squat-centric workout. High reps that make you wanna vomit.

How's your hair doing? Are you using brand name, generic, or liquid?
 
Impressive lift -- reminds me of "Brawn" squat-centric workout. High reps that make you wanna vomit.

How's your hair doing? Are you using brand name, generic, or liquid?

Hair is doing awesome. I have no bald spots, but my hair has thinned out. People cant tell at all. I went to the Dr. he said im not a candidate for transplants but he did show me under the scope where my hair has thinned so I decided to get prescribed propecia. Preventive measure. I order mine through a canadian website much cheaper then going to your local drug store. In addition the canadian website has generic so I might switch to generic. Why would anyone by liquid when you can go the doctor and get it prescribed easily.
 
Hair is doing awesome. I have no bald spots, but my hair has thinned out. People cant tell at all. I went to the Dr. he said im not a candidate for transplants but he did show me under the scope where my hair has thinned so I decided to get prescribed propecia. Preventive measure. I order mine through a canadian website much cheaper then going to your local drug store. In addition the canadian website has generic so I might switch to generic. Why would anyone by liquid when you can go the doctor and get it prescribed easily.

I guess to avoid going to the doctor.
 
. I also know other people who have been on it for 3 years and have not noticed any of the effects that people mention on these forums. I recommend propecia/finasteride to anybody that has thinned out or are starting to go bald.

I've been on finasteride for 11 years (from the age of 19). I still have a relatively thick head of hair with some mild thinning on the crown that's visible when it's wet. I'd love to fill that in and am thinking about adding some virile mane, but we'll see at this point.

I have had some negative sides. About a year ago I lost my ability to get it up for more than about 5-minutes. I decreased my dosage from 1 mg to about .7mg and can go for hours now with no increase in hairloss. Studies show that half a miligram or even a quarter of a milligram so is just as effective in lowering serum DHT levels as a full milligram, but I think local action in the testicular area may account for my loss of and the return of my ability to maintain an erection.

Listen to your body and play accordingly.
 
Could I use 250mg week of Test Prop and a hair stack that includes proscar, spiro, minox, nizoral 2% and be safe as far a hair loss? I'm running 40mg per day of Anavar with no effect on the hair line
 
Could I use 250mg week of Test Prop and a hair stack that includes proscar, spiro, minox, nizoral 2% and be safe as far a hair loss? I'm running 40mg per day of Anavar with no effect on the hair line

I think you would be okay. I usually use aa/minox and Revitra shampoo when on a test/dbol cycle and I don't notice much if any thinning...


however when I did havoc I noticed a LOT (but I also wasn't on the prevention products)


I think test is much easier on the hair then havoc or similar products...
 
Guys

New here and have been fighting hair loss for about 4 yrs now.

Ive been on 250 mg a week of Cypionate for about 5 weeks now.

Ive been using Nizoral 1% for yrs, been on Tricomin a few months (stopped recently) and switched from foam to Xandrox 5%. I also started Spiro 2% twice a day (sometimes once) at about week 2 of my cycle. Seeing some shedding now and was just curious, is 250mg a week 1cc going to cause major shedding at week 5?

Curious and appreciate any feedback and exp you guys may have had.

THanks

-dblbass
 
if you THINK your prone to baldness, and have done 2 cycles (Hdrol, Hdrol+MMV2) some test boosters, but not showed signs of hairloss other than some receding, will I lose alot if I step up to injecting or a stronger oral???
 
if you THINK your prone to baldness, and have done 2 cycles (Hdrol, Hdrol+MMV2) some test boosters, but not showed signs of hairloss other than some receding, will I lose alot if I step up to injecting or a stronger oral???

I highly doubt it

You could always have some stuff just in case

maybe spiro and niz 1% works as well as 2% I think

forget minoxidil or finasterside
 
if you THINK your prone to baldness, and have done 2 cycles (Hdrol, Hdrol+MMV2) some test boosters, but not showed signs of hairloss other than some receding, will I lose alot if I step up to injecting or a stronger oral???

sorry, if you are receeding and its not a normal maturing hairline you may consider fin.

Spiro and niz works good together use the spiro cream on the hairline
 
I highly doubt it

You could always have some stuff just in case

maybe spiro and niz 1% works as well as 2% I think

forget minoxidil or finasterside

sorry, if you are receeding and its not a normal maturing hairline you may consider fin.

Spiro and niz works good together use the spiro cream on the hairline
what is a normal maturing hairline?
I have not read up on spiro or niz...sorry :sad3:
 
what is a normal maturing hairline?
I have not read up on spiro or niz...sorry :sad3:

I get spiro cream from Dr Lee at minoxidil.com

Too buy from his site he charges 20bucks for an online email consoltation.

Nizoral is a shampoo you can get at the store made for dandruff. It has shown in FDA studies to assist in the treatment of MPB. Spiro is short for spironolactone which in an anti-androgen and can also help with protecting hair follicles that are predisposed to MPB. Hes got some other good products read the beginning of the thread the author has some excellent information on products that can help you.

Let me know if you got any other questions or PM Me if you want.

-dblbass
 
thanx but thats the thing...I know nothing can produce new hair growth, only help in slowing it down, genetics are genetics, that being said, Im not even sure if Im prone or not :think:
 
thanx but thats the thing...I know nothing can produce new hair growth, only help in slowing it down, genetics are genetics, that being said, Im not even sure if Im prone or not :think:

Minox and Tricomin can both regrow hair. Thats what Minox is meant to do. Dr Lee has Minox 12 or 15% IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO TRY AND GET YOUR HAIRLINE BACK. uSED ON THE HAIRLINE ALONG WITH Spiro would be ideal.

Sorry about the caps mid sentence
 
IR Finasteride sucks?

the liquid stuff is crap. I would go with something more reliable. IR is shady to the max :)

Bummer. That's actually why I was here. I used to purchase my SERMS from IR a few years ago, and I was actually considering looking into some Finasteride. I cycled with Epistane about a year ago and experienced no immediate side effects, except for the weight gain. Anyways, a year later, I'm starting to shed around my temple and forehead regions (although I'm not sure if it is related to the past cycle). I never met my biological father, so I'm not sure if alopecia runs on that side of the family. My mom's side seems okay.

I remembered IR, but having never used research Finasteride, I came here to see if it worked and how to use it. Is there anything, besides Finasteride, you could recommend that might work? Also, how many servings were in the vial? I'm just trying to compare prices for the research stuff and prescription.

Thanks for any advice.
Beavis
 
Minoxidil sounded fine to me, but I read the warning on the box in the store and it said "Not for frontal hair loss. Hair regrowth effects have not shown to last beyond 48 weeks in clinical trials"

48 weeks of maintenance then having to use it forever or lose more sounds bad... plus my hair is only receded in the front from low thyroid. Any suggestions what I should use? I'm not to keen on the pills that give 10+% of people gyno either.
 
any1 ever try the tricomin shampoos? just curious. typed in hair loss treatments and it popped up. was gonna try. thanks
 
hey everybody great thread! i need y'alls opinion on my situation. its bothered me for a while and im nervous of what the future holds for my hair i love so much. im 19 no MPB at all in my family that i have seen, great full heads of hair on everyone close to me. its happened in a time frame of a year and a half some where in there. my last job which was my first real one stressed me out quite a bit by the end of the day this continued for say 6 months, i started noticing my hair loss in april or may and became paranoid. i did use accutane and finished that a year and 2 months ago, i realized she dosed me pretty high towards the end of it at 120mg a day i believe due to my bodyweight of over 200lbs at the time. and ive read that can speed of hair loss. im all natural muscle wise, never used anything like that. ive always had thin hair and i keep it short to make it less obvious, but after reading this thread what can i do? for my case could it come back and stay after discontinuing it? ill stay on whatever i need to if thats what it takes. any help would be much appreciated.
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maybe because of the T in my blood from growing so much? DHT occured idk, help
 
yea receding isn't a concern of mine just that, no-one in my family has hair problems, i will soon probably cuz its still early, but would any of those hair supps from the first page be worth a try? i dont wanna shave my head :( thankfully im tall so most people dont see it, but its not super obvious in certain lighting conditions, idk this sucks, and whenever the day comes along i do wanna use "something" im scared ill lose even more hair.
 
the supps on the first page I have never tried, nothing will make your hair re-grow (only implants) but certain things will help it slow down, like shampoos and stuff
 
but its more of thinning right now i havent actually lost it all yet, thats why im curious about the shampoos and all that to delay it. i kno the future of hair restoration is getting brighter so eventually ill have do to something to fix this, this ****s with my confidence so bad, most people think if your beefy you get chicks, but when you dont have confidence, due to no social skills and thinning hair, im screwed :(
 
but its more of thinning right now i havent actually lost it all yet, thats why im curious about the shampoos and all that to delay it. i kno the future of hair restoration is getting brighter so eventually ill have do to something to fix this, this ****s with my confidence so bad, most people think if your beefy you get chicks, but when you dont have confidence, due to no social skills and thinning hair, im screwed :(
thats so much b.s. man, be confident, if a chick doesn't like, she can fukk off. fukk b!tches, get $$$
 
yea i kno man, i tell ppl that kinda **** all the time, i help alot of ppl but for some reason i cant take my own advice. ill really just just and get after it im gonna get a doc appt soon before its too late.
 
the supps on the first page I have never tried, nothing will make your hair re-grow (only implants) but certain things will help it slow down, like shampoos and stuff

This is not true. Finasteride will stop loss and cause coarser hair to re-grow. Minoxodil will cause it to grow. You ought to also use a shampoo to strip the scalp for better absorbtion, and to further reduce DHT.

If the OP is not on supplements that increase DHT, I'd say he's fighting a fight that he will likely lose. Given your physique at 19 YO, you must have extraordinarily high natural DHT.

Good luck.
 
I have been dealing with hair loss since I was 19. What works for me, is a combination of 5mg finasteride per day and minoxidil topical once a night. I believe that the minoxidil needs to be applied rigorously and not timidly. The minoxidil shouldn't just sit on the scalp, it should be worked in. I know it sounds stupid but it definitely has made my hair thicker. I just a rubber based brush that I work the minoxidil into the scalp with. I have stayed away from the rogaine foam because I believe the regular topical solution works the best.
 
Also, I tried dutasteride as well and felt that it did not significantly decrease hair loss when compared to the finasteride. If I had a choice between two hair loss products, I would probably pick just the minoxidil if I had to.
 
I have been dealing with hair loss since I was 19. What works for me, is a combination of 5mg finasteride per day and minoxidil topical once a night. I believe that the minoxidil needs to be applied rigorously and not timidly. The minoxidil shouldn't just sit on the scalp, it should be worked in. I know it sounds stupid but it definitely has made my hair thicker. I just a rubber based brush that I work the minoxidil into the scalp with. I have stayed away from the rogaine foam because I believe the regular topical solution works the best.

5 mgs? Wow, that's a whole proscar pill. Doesn't that kill your libido? And can you make gains at the gym, and maintain a dry/chiseled look with your DHT so low?
 
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