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gyno control while ON Spawn

iron13th

iron13th

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Hey guys. I have a couple of questions I need some serious help with. My gyno is flarring up again just 10 days into my Spawn cycle. What should I do? Should I start using an AI (Letrosol)? Should I start Nolvadex already (I was planning to use this after my cycle). I have also been trying to find out why we would want our estrogen levels to be elevated while on cycle, but I'm still confused about that...can anybody explain that to me or at least send me to a source that explains that? I know it is not good to kill it completely..just unsure as to why we would want it so elevated. Thanks!!!

One more thing. I've been having one hell of a time getting my Endocrinologist to refill my Tamoxifen prescription...she is really staling on that. I sent her an email letting her know that I will be looking online for some if she will not help me. I know not to ask for sites where to buy this stuff on here, I have a few in mind..I was wondering if there is any threat of getting busted for buying from these sites? Not only am I unsure which sites are exactly safe..but don't need to go to jail. Thanks.
 
You american im guessing? if so you will be fine to purchase tamoxifen as a research chem...for research use only....isnt spawn one of the 'tren' designers plus epi? if it is one of the tren designers it could be a prolactin problem, I would try a weeker AI like arimdex to try and control estrogen, this should help solve the problem, letro is extremely harsh and should be left till a last resort
 
should be an easy fix

vitamin B6: go for 400mg a day for a week (NOTE this is not healthy) soooo try to find P-5-P it is a vitamin B6 coenzyme then i like to go 200mg B6 + a bunch of p5p... works wonders


but get that nolva research chem!! but if it is prolactin induced gyno nolva may help but wil probably not take it away completley. before starting designers you always need you nolva, B6, arimidex, and p5p on hand
 
If I am not mistaken, Spawn is indeed epi plus a clone of tren x (as previously posted) - your flare up is most likely prolactin related on these compounds. I had similar issues immediately following a similar run and p-5-p and vitex combo knocked it out for me in about 4 days. I wouldn't rush into any of the AIs if it were me.
 
Random181 said:
You american im guessing? if so you will be fine to purchase tamoxifen as a research chem...for research use only....isnt spawn one of the 'tren' designers plus epi? if it is one of the tren designers it could be a prolactin problem, I would try a weeker AI like arimdex to try and control estrogen, this should help solve the problem, letro is extremely harsh and should be left till a last resort
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Yes, I'm American. Yeah, it is tren and epi. How can one just order as a research chem..makes no sense to me. Seems like you would have to show some kind of licence for that. I'm hoping my Endocrinologist will come through for me, she's hesitating with a refill of my Tamox. I'm guessing I will just have to give one of these pharmacy sites a try, hopefully I won't get busted. I will probably order some letro too, just to have on hand after cycle if I really need it. Thanks for your advice!!
 
fritzer said:
vitamin B6: go for 400mg a day for a week (NOTE this is not healthy) soooo try to find P-5-P it is a vitamin B6 coenzyme then i like to go 200mg B6 + a bunch of p5p... works wonders
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Ok guys..thanks!! I can get all this stuff at the local vitamin store? That is: p5p, B6, and vitex? If I ask for some p5p are they gonna know what I'm talking about or does it go by something else? What do you guys suggest if this doesn't work? The Arimidex or I've heard about running nolva at 10mg throughout cycle? Is reversitol a good post cycle choice? Sorry..lol..I know, lots of questions..just want to get it right! Thanks again!
 
with any progestin i suggest having b6, p5p, in ample stock and taken no matter what throughout the cycle

i do like 200mg p5p a day, IF gyno flares up BOOM 400mg b6, 300mg p5p, 20mg nolva, .5 arimidex
that covers the bases until it subsides. i would not mess around with gyno, full fledged attack

arimidex can decrease bloat on pheraplex, etc i have read of many claiming this

reversitol is a good post cycle choice if you are using nolva etc. there is no scientific evidence that is strong enough to suggest even remotley reversitrol could be a stand alone serm. use PCT nolva 40/30/20/10 kinda thing, along with reversitrol.
if you use arimidex it could help with the PCT

BUT you could use reversitrol on your cycle, it has weak SERM propertiues so it may lessen the need for worrying about nolva on cycle and has no toxicity. you should log this since all results on new compounds are helpful
 
fritzer said:
with any progestin i suggest having b6, p5p, in ample stock and taken no matter what throughout the cycle

i do like 200mg p5p a day, IF gyno flares up BOOM 400mg b6, 300mg p5p, 20mg nolva, .5 arimidex
that covers the bases until it subsides. i would not mess around with gyno, full fledged attack

arimidex can decrease bloat on pheraplex, etc i have read of many claiming this

reversitol is a good post cycle choice if you are using nolva etc. there is no scientific evidence that is strong enough to suggest even remotley reversitrol could be a stand alone serm. use PCT nolva 40/30/20/10 kinda thing, along with reversitrol.
if you use arimidex it could help with the PCT

BUT you could use reversitrol on your cycle, it has weak SERM propertiues so it may lessen the need for worrying about nolva on cycle and has no toxicity. you should log this since all results on new compounds are helpful
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Ok. I am thinking about purchasing these 50mg p-h-p tablets by 'Now Foods' , I will start on this right away as you suggest @ 300mg a day throughout rest of my cycle. The way I took it, you suggest that on top of the p-5-p I take the B6 @ 400mg per day too, throughout the rest of cycle, but only until gyno goes away right? Also, like you said, I should add the Nolva and Arimidex. When my gyno goes away, just stick to the p-5-p @ 200mg/day again? Thanks bro!!! I really mean it, just trying to comprehend it all and get this stuff right!

So, my understanding is, Tren and Epi PH's elicite the prolactin induced gyno response. What about Superdrol, Pheraplex, and Halodrol? From what I understand, these substances don't induce gyno via prolactin? In fact, Superdrol is really quite unlikely to elicite gyno at all? I've been trying to find the answers to this on the internet, but having trouble. I'm thinking of using TrimethylX on a future cyle.
 
Lol...thanks guys! Guess I'm outa luck! Is there any prohormones that don't elicite the prolactin gyno response? What are the other means by which gyno is caused other than prolactin? I was told that because tren and epi elicte the prolactin induced gyno that Nolvadex was not going to be an affective SERM, that I would want to use Clomid. However, Nolvadex would be a good choice if using Superdol. This seems like bad advice if Superdrol also can result in prolactin induced gyno. Aarghh!! This is frustrating to figure out!! Can anybody clear this up for me please or send me a link to a site that can help me? Thanks!!
 
This is a hotly debated subject, many reckon that SD and PP are progestins, especially SD, SD though no one is sure about some people reckon it stimultes the estrogen itself due to the molecules shape some reckon it allows estrogen to rebound, tren is defo a progestin, the only way epi could cause gyno would be estrogen via offsetting SHGB, it is highly unlikely epi would effect prolactin and ive never even heard off gyno off h-drol
 
beejman said:
If I am not mistaken, Spawn is indeed epi plus a clone of tren x (as previously posted) - your flare up is most likely prolactin related on these compounds. I had similar issues immediately following a similar run and p-5-p and vitex combo knocked it out for me in about 4 days. I wouldn't rush into any of the AIs if it were me.
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Thanks. How would you dose this per day? That is, how much 1) B6, 2) p-5-p and 3) vitex? Also, would it probably be a good idea to just start on this regimen at the begining of any PH cycle you choose to start? Maybe even preload?
 
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