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Natty T's Bodybuilding Log

reason usp labs prime didn't make the cut: i don't buy into their bull yet.


reason test didn't make the cut: i can't afford to run a 42 day cycle of it.
 
so far I've been much more impressed with powerfull than prime...but for me I guess it has more to do with the fact I believe that I need to be patient.

powerfull is a good prod. nothing to do with usp labs' hype, just results for me.

I like bulk pslin, recreate, powerfull and dominatp the most so far.
 
another note; I was wondering wtf happened with the rep points, but I see they took them all and divided them by 10.

weird.
 
mass fx from what i learned from andrew who happens to be a jenious, is more androgenic than DTH, that was obviously apparent for him because strength went up but size did not so much.
 
meh...from what i can tell, usp labs is hit or miss...and i'm already extremely skeptical so i'll save my money and assume i'm a miss.
 
heywood said:
another note; I was wondering wtf happened with the rep points, but I see they took them all and divided them by 10.

weird.
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ya i'm wonderin wtf?? too I sent a message to cosmo cramer hoping he would have an answer...
 
everyone had too many reps or what? or its a way to take away reps from inactive members, so they dont just carry their rep points around for ever?
 
i also think they should limit how many times you can rep a single person in a week. that'll help cut down on the rep roll
 
natty texan said:
so you have a lab set up to make your own stuff?
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Im pretty confident in my pharmacy bro, everywhere ive looked says the drugs are legit, no I dont have my own lab set up, that would be illegal as the police could claim I intended to deal, I have a legit indian online lab ready to go. A legit one wih pharm grade gear :D
 
Random181 said:
Im pretty confident in my pharmacy bro, everywhere ive looked says the drugs are legit, no I dont have my own lab set up, that would be illegal as the police could claim I intended to deal, I have a legit indian online lab ready to go. A legit one wih pharm grade gear :D
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wow, legit as in they can get it pass customs? i've ordered stuff from online pharmacys before, like valium or xanax, and it always gets snached up by customs and i get a piece of paper in the mail that says beware of online pharmacys and something about my rights if i want to persue to try and get my package from the customs agency. (if I have legal proof or something that im allowed to have it or they will destroy it.)

gear is cool and all but why not just use PH same thing pretty much... except one has needles and can be taken in super high doses without damaging the organs too bad cuz its not methylated. but high potency and dosages is classified as ABUSE, and 80% of americans on TRT(testosterone replacement therapy) are former steroid abusers!!!!
 
today is an off day.



oddly enough i'll admit i need it. saturday was an off day too, but this west side style (sort of) plan that i've been following is definitely kicking my butt.



however, I'm back on sx, and i'm getting anxiety again, so i'm not sure if it's the sx but i'm thinking it is.
 
buster0371 said:
wow, legit as in they can get it pass customs? i've ordered stuff from online pharmacys before, like valium or xanax, and it always gets snached up by customs and i get a piece of paper in the mail that says beware of online pharmacys and something about my rights if i want to persue to try and get my package from the customs agency. (if I have legal proof or something that im allowed to have it or they will destroy it.)

gear is cool and all but why not just use PH same thing pretty much... except one has needles and can be taken in super high doses without damaging the organs too bad cuz its not methylated. but high potency and dosages is classified as ABUSE, and 80% of americans on TRT(testosterone replacement therapy) are former steroid abusers!!!!
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he doesn't live in america it's legal for personal use in the uk


and don't abuse roids.

i hate to bring this up, but look at the old guys who used them properly and respected them. now look at the freaks we have now-a-days.
 
i seriously wonder why it is legal over there? it has to be propaganda to lower birth rates or something like that. because steroid use does cause infertility.
 
buster0371 said:
i wonder why aas are legal in the uk????? propaganda to let the public ruin their health? jk!
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LOL, what can I say? the UK government supports my human right to supplementation LMAO, sadly im only joking my government is just to incompitent to actually outlaw them properly lol
 
buster0371 said:
i seriously wonder why it is legal over there? it has to be propaganda to lower birth rates or something like that. because steroid use does cause infertility.
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International policies on supplements are weird. Yohimbine is illegal in Australia and other European countries, but we can buy Yohimbine at any local supplement store.
 
buster0371 said:
i seriously wonder why it is legal over there? it has to be propaganda to lower birth rates or something like that. because steroid use does cause infertility.
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They are not legal, but the government is to incompitent to outlaw them properly, Meaning I can possess them for personal use, just as up until recently I could do the same with cannabis and many other recreational drugs, also steroids do not cause infertility or any other serious side effects when used properly, I suggest you look up more info on these substances...natty sorry for sidetracking your thread slightly with this mate..


edit: The one bad thing about england though is that although I can get real gear legally, all the pro hormones you guys can just buy in stores I have to order from nutra and pay 50 dollars delivery my bottle of 'the one' was 70 dollars and I gotta pay 50 dollars delivery...
 
Random181 said:
LOL, what can I say? the UK government supports my human right to supplementation LMAO, sadly im only joking my government is just to incompitent to actually outlaw them properly lol
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oh really? like they dont understand the severity of steroids? or is it so common and widespread that they cant really do much about it so they just try to limit it.
 
oh thanks for clearing that up. yeah sorry if this side tracking bothers you natty t, but i think i remember you saying in the past that you dont mind little side convos.

why pay so much for shipping? cant you just order over 75$ worth of stuff and NP pays shipping. thats what I do. I just order over 75$ and get free shipping!
 
Steroids cause no long term side effects in 99.5% of individuals unless abused, I have know idea what you are referring to when you talk of how serious they are. Steroids have got absolutly nothing on alcohol/smoking and being obese in terms of health problems. Also I agree with natty about the old bodybuilding legends and our current pros, arnie used D-bol from around 13 and is absolutly fine.

edit: nope, I gotta pay $50 shipping but in all fairness to nutra it is one hell of an order, I think it was originally $32 flat delivery
 
okay.
time for some clearing up...

steroids didn't come to america untill after one of theor german olympic power lifting teams kicked our ass and our coach found out what was going on and started his own chemistry experiments (or funded?)


they also were not illegal here untill the canadian runner ben johnson smoked our asxses in the olympic's and our guys made it illegal almost purely out of embarrassment. it had been banned by the olympic's and was fully tested for in '72, but took awhile for the state's to catch on.


the problem with the u.s. on most controversial subjects is that when they ban something they pretty much fully ban it and it's darn near impossible and very expensive to do real research on it. That's pretty much why most people here really don't know anything about them. They learn from the media, or get online and go to wikipedia...not exactly the best sources.
 
the germans '63 team (the steroid team) oddly enough had arnold in attendance cheering them on...but i guess that was just coincidence...
 
the main problem though was the germans pumped extremely high doses of steroids into their athletes, supposedly turning two of their woman into men (without the parts)


there was also the problem amongst our own athletes, of not knowing (noone knew) how to dose the roids, and most succesfully screwed up their systems, or messed up their balls.



however the main knock against roids that might have some support is the bad for the heart thing...look at almost all the old major b.b.'ers and they've all had heart surgery or have have heart problems. (including arnie)
 
I would actually like to start my own private lab some day (with lab rats and what not) in my house, and find out what low doses of steroids can do health wise (reverse the aging process?) and I'd like to see what happens to the generation mice (mice born from roid daddies)


the second part mostly because i strongly suspect my dad of getting my mom knocked up either at the beginning or immediately following a d-bol cycle. (what arnie took)
 
In all seriousness, Arnie could have been taking D-bol as early as 13, he defenitly was by 15, also natty, arnies heart surgery cannot fully be blaimed on steroids, many men in his family have had to have the same surgery, due to a genetic family condition, other than that, good history lesson :)
 
buster0371 said:
wow, legit as in they can get it pass customs? i've ordered stuff from online pharmacys before, like valium or xanax, and it always gets snached up by customs and i get a piece of paper in the mail that says beware of online pharmacys and something about my rights if i want to persue to try and get my package from the customs agency. (if I have legal proof or something that im allowed to have it or they will destroy it.)

gear is cool and all but why not just use PH same thing pretty much... except one has needles and can be taken in super high doses without damaging the organs too bad cuz its not methylated. but high potency and dosages is classified as ABUSE, and 80% of americans on TRT(testosterone replacement therapy) are former steroid abusers!!!!
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You have alot to learn. Ph's are much more deadly than AAS. If used correctly AAS can actually lead to a longer more fufilling life. PH's are just a legal way to get something "close" to AAS. I've talked to some old patients who were once AAS users and tried PH's to stay "clean" an dthey said AAS are the only way to go. PCT for AAS is alot easier and use is less toxic on the liver. Where did you get the 80% prior steroid users for TRT?
 
natty texan said:
I would actually like to start my own private lab some day (with lab rats and what not) in my house, and find out what low doses of steroids can do health wise (reverse the aging process?) and I'd like to see what happens to the generation mice (mice born from roid daddies)


the second part mostly because i strongly suspect my dad of getting my mom knocked up either at the beginning or immediately following a d-bol cycle. (what arnie took)
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Do you have bro's or sis'?
 
Also steroids used as TRT have a HUGE number of benefits to the health of older men, and the way my families goin i may well end up ****in needin that by 30...
 
i have a half sister from my dad's first marriage.



Random-thanks for mentioning the family history that's one of the harder things for me to remember. I had heard frank zane had heart problems but i can't find them now.


have any of ya'll seen bigger stronger faster? it's very informative on the whole misconception and ideal of steroid use. it also allows you to make your own opinion.
 
btw gregg valentino had an epiphany and publicly denounced steroids (completely changing his stance) in the june issue of m.d.


him pre-steroid use.
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hmm, I agree partly with what valentino said about using steroids is daft because you can go to jail, honesly though im not knowledgable enough about american law to comment on this sort of issue. Are you guys likely to go to jail if caught with them for personell use?
 
it's in the same class as meth and coke. if you're caught just for personal use you'll likely go to jail if your caught dealing (he's very lucky he was caught before they changed the law) i think you'll go for about 10-15 years.
 
Random181 said:
hmm, I agree partly with what valentino said about using steroids is daft because you can go to jail, honesly though im not knowledgable enough about american law to comment on this sort of issue. Are you guys likely to go to jail if caught with them for personell use?
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yes.

the american drug enforcement agency, (dea) and the FDA (food & drug administration) are run as are most if not all entities in the states to make corporations huge amounts of money at the expense of the public. unfortunately the term "socialist democracy" equals "communism" to our mainly unenlightened public.

if you are seen as dangerous (drug user, criminal trouble, etc.) rehabilitation is a very liberally abused term as "real" treatment. from what I've gathered europeans in general don't spend all their time vilifying and slandering those who choose to live their life with selective "chemical supplementation". That is not only common but ingrained in the U.S.'s puritanical religious roots.

many of the core values that are supposedly "american" are really catch-phrases a lot of the time that are abused for marketing the country and selling the sh**ty product that we as citizens get for our vote these days. if the media wasn't controlled by a select few neo-con-run corporations with religious overtones we as americans wouldn't be on the whole as narrow-minded.

/rant, and sorry natty for hijacking the thread...btw, good comment on the steroidal hypocrisy earlier...just like every drug, gotta keep the corporations making all the money (AMA = huge lobbying interest)

If you wanna see something that will fully blow your mind wide open look up "America, From Freedom to Fascism".
 
dude if you want to go off on a rant like that, feel free at any time.


no apologies accepted anymore, we're gonna turn this into the "general conversation, and sometimes natty posts his workouts" thread :)
 
Today: light weight chest.

Incline Vertical Close Grip D.B. Presses: 70 lbs x 3 sets of 8, 55 lbs x 1 set of 8.

Standing Overhead Tri Press: 100 lbs x 2 sets of 8, 80 lbs x 2 sets of 12

Incline Flyes- 40 lbs (down 5, but the close grip d.b. presses killed me) 4 sets of 8 switching between MrBig's form and my own trying to decide which one i liked more. still undecided.

Bosu Ball Balance doing front raises with a 25 lb.er

did a lot of ab work. stretched. got out of there.
 
Random181 said:
Steroids cause no long term side effects in 99.5% of individuals unless abused, I have know idea what you are referring to when you talk of how serious they are. Steroids have got absolutly nothing on alcohol/smoking and being obese in terms of health problems. Also I agree with natty about the old bodybuilding legends and our current pros, arnie used D-bol from around 13 and is absolutly fine.

edit: nope, I gotta pay $50 shipping but in all fairness to nutra it is one hell of an order, I think it was originally $32 flat delivery
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I'm pro use, though I don't do it myself, but Arnie did have like a quadruple bypass a couple years back. Maybe Frank Zane or Franco Columbo are better examples :nervous:
 
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