Neoborn's Formestane / EForm FAQ...

[thebigt]

formestane has come a long way. 2 years ago i was starting threads about e-form at $15 being the best supp dollar for dollar on the entire net. no one was interested, thought it was just another bs transdermal, and everyone knows transdermals dont work, right.:think:

 

[neoborn]

Lol

 

[thebigt]

Lol

neo, can you believe this thread is still breathing? this thread is over a year old, wow.

 

[msucurt]

bigt, have u heard or familiar with zsupps' eform? I have 2 bottles of this. Just curious of how legit it is....seems from what i read, that it is good

thanks

neo, can you believe this thread is still breathing? this thread is over a year old, wow.

 

[celc5]

bigt, have u heard or familiar with zsupps' eform? I have 2 bottles of this. Just curious of how legit it is....seems from what i read, that it is good

thanks

very limited feedback says it's good stuff. That sight had some other legal powders earlier in the year that also had limited, but positive feedback.

 

[msucurt]

celc5....should i give it a go when i decide the time is right?

very limited feedback says it's good stuff. That sight had some other legal powders earlier in the year that also had limited, but positive feedback.

 

[celc5]

celc5....should i give it a go when i decide the time is right?

are you asking in terms of quality of the zsupps form?

I can't remember what your entire situation was, but I thought you had another stack in your stash to run before formestane. It couldn't hurt to run the form now. I just personally had less results during pct. And I've heard of a handful of guys who responded poorly in close proximity to a cycle, sort of like where you're at time wise.

 

[WilteredFire]

Its nice to know im not the only Formestane fan around here.

bigT: form has come a LONG way, even though im quite young I still remember the days where it was $15 a bottle and remember the serious bodybuilders using it while others would think it wont deliver what it says it will because of the low 'price tag'

What a shame lol. Im logging my last 2 bottles of Form i've got left with some AP right now, toooo excited. Got a noticable increase in wood and libido from my first 2 sprays into my cycle which was yesterday, gotta love this stuff honestly.

Long live form! woohooooooo :thumbsup:

 

[thebigt]

Its nice to know im not the only Formestane fan around here.

bigT: form has come a LONG way, even though im quite young I still remember the days where it was $15 a bottle and remember the serious bodybuilders using it while others would think it wont deliver what it says it will because of the low 'price tag'

What a shame lol. Im logging my last 2 bottles of Form i've got left with some AP right now, toooo excited. Got a noticable increase in wood and libido from my first 2 sprays into my cycle which was yesterday, gotta love this stuff honestly.

Long live form! woohooooooo :thumbsup:

you will not believe how many did not take me seriously when i praised this little transdermal at $15. they liked paying more for the big name ai's that didn't work as well, i guess.:think:

 

[msucurt]

thanks celc. Yea, i ran a hdrol cycle about 2 months ago.....I have finished my PCT for that and im currently just running a DRIVE/IGF-2/RPM stack for a while.....After that, i think i may run the form or form/drive stack.

are you asking in terms of quality of the zsupps form?

I can't remember what your entire situation was, but I thought you had another stack in your stash to run before formestane. It couldn't hurt to run the form now. I just personally had less results during pct. And I've heard of a handful of guys who responded poorly in close proximity to a cycle, sort of like where you're at time wise.

 

[WilteredFire]

msucurt, u'll enjoy your current stack, mines finishes tomorrows, and now i've started my form sweet! Hope you enjoy your current and upcoming stack, make the most of it!

Bigt: Yeh, its totally their loss, What i cant seem to understand though, is why people are trying stuff like ATD when its clearly killing and effecting alot of peoples libido, when form gives most of its users a positive libido.

 

[Ninjo]

msucurt, u'll enjoy your current stack, mines finishes tomorrows, and now i've started my form sweet! Hope you enjoy your current and upcoming stack, make the most of it!

Bigt: Yeh, its totally their loss, What i cant seem to understand though, is why people are trying stuff like ATD when its clearly killing and effecting alot of peoples libido, when form gives most of its users a positive libido.

Only thing I can think of is that they're concerned that form converts to a weak androgen which may not be desireable in pct

 

[thebigt]

the androgenic effects of form are very similar to 6-bromo. awhile back voodoo posted bloodwork from a 6-bromo pct and everything looked good.if you are worried, taper off at the end. that's a wise thing to do with all ai's. i am really liking resveratrol, i think a form/reveratrol and maybe dth stack would be very good. or maybe form/res/anabolic edge, at any rate form/res and something. been doing 6oxo/stoked and got a pimple on end of my nose, not bad for an old geezer. form/resveratrol should really be good. going to be testing t911 and see how good that is.

 

[WilteredFire]

Yeh, Sound advice BigT, always a wise thing to taper off at the end of an AI cycle just to avoid any Estrogen rebound.

I'll give the Res stacked with some Form a try someday soon, or alternatively, Form stacked with something like the new MassFX, just wondering if the natural AI in their would work well with the Form, and the test freeing divanil might be some good.

 

[Ninjo]

the androgenic effects of form are very similar to 6-bromo. awhile back voodoo posted bloodwork from a 6-bromo pct and everything looked good.if you are worried, taper off at the end. that's a wise thing to do with all ai's. i am really liking resveratrol, i think a form/reveratrol and maybe dth stack would be very good. or maybe form/res/anabolic edge, at any rate form/res and something. been doing 6oxo/stoked and got a pimple on end of my nose, not bad for an old geezer. form/resveratrol should really be good. going to be testing t911 and see how good that is.

I would love to use some of my e-form stash as part of my next pct but I'm just not sure how to dose/taper it. With ATD or 6-Bromo (i.e. capsules), it's a little easier.

Will probably run another PP cycle in a couple months; can you suggest a dosing protocol to run in PCT along with my Nolva and ActivaTe? Much appreciated!

 

[WilteredFire]

Ninjo, why not run some of your Form during your PP cycle, since its a wet compound, using something like form to help keep your body 'dry' would be great on cycle, as opposed to using it during your pct as far as what I've read.

Correct me if im wrong somebody. Btw buddy...may I ask why you're choosing to run a wet compound like PP as opposed to something dry like Epi or Havoc? just interested to know

 

[Ninjo]

Ninjo, why not run some of your Form during your PP cycle, since its a wet compound, using something like form to help keep your body 'dry' would be great on cycle, as opposed to using it during your pct as far as what I've read.

Correct me if im wrong somebody. Btw buddy...may I ask why you're choosing to run a wet compound like PP as opposed to something dry like Epi or Havoc? just interested to know

The thought of running form during my PP cycle for the reason you mentioned had crossed my mind...same problem though, not sure how to dose it...i'm running PP to increase size/strength...I have a bunch of original AX stuff I need to use up...also, my last cycle was Havoc in April and I don't like to run the same compound twice in a row.

 

[mattikus]

Just wanted to throw in some current feedback on my form experiences. Works amazingly well with any wet anabolics. Even after long periods of time. I used it for about 18 weeks straight at high and low dosages. I will always have form (for cycles) on hand before a-dex, aromasin, or atd. It's just better in so many ways.

Lately, I have been doing a few squirts (about 75-100 mg) td before a night out or a date. The libido jump and alpha male feeling is noticeable even with this intermittent use. Seems to help perform a bit better when the need arises (no pun intended) also. Form had better come back big after the olympics or I think I will cry.

 

[thebigt]

Just wanted to throw in some current feedback on my form experiences. Works amazingly well with any wet anabolics. Even after long periods of time. I used it for about 18 weeks straight at high and low dosages. I will always have form (for cycles) on hand before a-dex, aromasin, or atd. It's just better in so many ways.

Lately, I have been doing a few squirts (about 75-100 mg) td before a night out or a date. The libido jump and alpha male feeling is noticeable even with this intermittent use. Seems to help perform a bit better when the need arises (no pun intended) also. Form had better come back big after the olympics or I think I will cry.

i feel your pain.:thumbsup:

 

[WilteredFire]

me 3. Im on my current form cycle right now, at 4sprays twice a day, tomorrow will be bumping up by one spray, and day after by another one, im tapering in, so that way when i notice a jump in libido or something, i'll know what dose is best for me. Right now, 4sprays twice haven't seemed to do much libido wise for me, next few days will tell i guess

You can definately feel it, just a matter of getting your sweet spot i guess! Yeh, they BETTER bring it back after this olympics stuff, I need my form!

 

[Ninjo]

Can anyone suggest a good dose of e-form while running 30mg of PP? Would 5 sprays twice a day be too much? I think that's the equivalent of 200mg/day.

 

[OpKang101]

How come there are no american suppliers of formestane?

Why is everything in china?

Just a question. I noticed that most, if not all supplement get their raw material from China.

 

[Ninjo]

How come there are no american suppliers of formestane?

Why is everything in china?

Just a question. I noticed that most, if not all supplement get their raw material from China.

Waaaaayyyyyy cheaper raws. My understanding is that if manufacturers were to source from the US, very few of us would be able to afford to use anything.

 

[BodyWizard]

not just "way cheaper" IIUC - many "raws" are not available in this country due to the influence of the pharmaceutical industry *AND* the FDA (the de-facto regulatory arm of Big Pharma). China, not really caring what the US government does to make things cozy for US businesses, prefers to make whatever they can sell, and sell it to whoever will buy.

Given the importance of the 1936 Olympics to the Nazi government - oops, I mean, 'the importance of the 2008 Olympics to the Communist government' - China has been curtailing production of things that the US government likes to squawk at them about, in an effort to force a successful conclusion to the Second Great Leap Forward, on display now in & around Beijing. Encouraged by this, the US regulatory-industrial complex has gotten frisky & begun (these last few years) to interdict legal shipments into the US of compounds the Chinese had agreed (theoretically) to stop shipping to the US.

Many hope that, after the Olympics, things will return to "normal" with China as a willing supplier of interesting materials. Sadly, I hope for no such thing: we heard Eisenhower warn us against the rise of a 'military-industrial complex' - but we didn't listen (to our very great detriment); too bad he didn't also try to warn us against the rise of our current, ever-expanding regulatory-industrial complex; my guess is, he never looked beyond the danger he warned us about - hoping as he did that we would listen, act, and stay free.

But we wouldn't, and we didn't - so we aren't.

 

[celc5]

Can anyone suggest a good dose of e-form while running 30mg of PP? Would 5 sprays twice a day be too much? I think that's the equivalent of 200mg/day.

I used 2 sprays morning and 2 sprays evening. Worked like a charm

With Halo, I went bananas on my formestane dosing and it really helped to lean me out.

Just remember, phera gains can get sloppy, even with form in the picture.

 

[OpKang101]

not just "way cheaper" IIUC - many "raws" are not available in this country due to the influence of the pharmaceutical industry *AND* the FDA (the de-facto regulatory arm of Big Pharma). China, not really caring what the US government does to make things cozy for US businesses, prefers to make whatever they can sell, and sell it to whoever will buy.

Given the importance of the 1936 Olympics to the Nazi government - oops, I mean, 'the importance of the 2008 Olympics to the Communist government' - China has been curtailing production of things that the US government likes to squawk at them about, in an effort to force a successful conclusion to the Second Great Leap Forward, on display now in & around Beijing. Encouraged by this, the US regulatory-industrial complex has gotten frisky & begun (these last few years) to interdict legal shipments into the US of compounds the Chinese had agreed (theoretically) to stop shipping to the US.

Many hope that, after the Olympics, things will return to "normal" with China as a willing supplier of interesting materials. Sadly, I hope for no such thing: we heard Eisenhower warn us against the rise of a 'military-industrial complex' - but we didn't listen (to our very great detriment); too bad he didn't also try to warn us against the rise of our current, ever-expanding regulatory-industrial complex; my guess is, he never looked beyond the danger he warned us about - hoping as he did that we would listen, act, and stay free.

But we wouldn't, and we didn't - so we aren't.

Guess I have to go researching since I had NO clue what half of that meant. Thanks for sharing!

 

[neoborn]

Many hope that, after the Olympics, things will return to "normal" with China as a willing supplier of interesting materials. Sadly, I hope for no such thing: we heard Eisenhower warn us against the rise of a 'military-industrial complex' - but we didn't listen (to our very great detriment); too bad he didn't also try to warn us against the rise of our current, ever-expanding regulatory-industrial complex; my guess is, he never looked beyond the danger he warned us about - hoping as he did that we would listen, act, and stay free.

But we wouldn't, and we didn't - so we aren't.

Huh wtf, prease can eye haf dat in dat dere engrish?

Tankz:food:

 

[thebigt]

i see that dermabolics has removed e-form from their list. i guess this is the end of it. brian from cel once talked about making transdermals, but couldn't compete at the level e-form was selling for at the time [$15]. maybe now would be a good time to start a thread on cel's site about a td formestane.

 

[Ninjo]

I used 2 sprays morning and 2 sprays evening. Worked like a charm

With Halo, I went bananas on my formestane dosing and it really helped to lean me out.

Just remember, phera gains can get sloppy, even with form in the picture.

thanks bro...so four sprays a day s/b enough to make a difference, huh? cool, that's what I'll be doin' come October then. :thumbsup:

 

[celc5]

thanks bro...so four sprays a day s/b enough to make a difference, huh? cool, that's what I'll be doin' come October then. :thumbsup:

Ya and if you aren't a responder to the low doses like I am, you can always up your dosage. Personally, I like the "on" feeling I get from form and can start really low... like 2 spays per day. But my body accomodates really fast, like every days 5, so I just increase by 1 spray every 4 or 5 days. Starting around the week 2 or day 10 should be a theoretically good place for you to add in the form.

I had a solid 4 weeks on phera and an uproductive 5th week. I did a ton of research when I was preparing for that cycle. And several broskis who had ran 5-6 weeks of phera all said the same thing. "I should have kept it at 3-4 weeks"

 

[Ninjo]

Ya and if you aren't a responder to the low doses like I am, you can always up your dosage. Personally, I like the "on" feeling I get from form and can start really low... like 2 spays per day. But my body accomodates really fast, like every days 5, so I just increase by 1 spray every 4 or 5 days. Starting around the week 2 or day 10 should be a theoretically good place for you to add in the form.

I had a solid 4 weeks on phera and an uproductive 5th week. I did a ton of research when I was preparing for that cycle. And several broskis who had ran 5-6 weeks of phera all said the same thing. "I should have kept it at 3-4 weeks"

I've run phera only once before (stacked with Mega-Zol) and responded quite nicely to it. I kept the cycle at 4 weeks and only increased my daily dose to 30mg in the last week. I could really feel a difference going from 20mg to 30mg though.

I was thinking that this time I would run 20mg for maybe three days to let my body get acclimatized to it and then bump it up to 30 for the remainder of the 4 week cycle.

Will take your advice and start the e-form in week 2 and, depending how my bp is affected, may throw in 4mg of Mega-TRN ed for the fun of it. Really looking forward to this one!

 

[BodyWizard]

Huh wtf, prease can eye haf dat in dat dere engrish?

Tankz:food:

Ha! Sorry, guys!

Lemme try a simplified form

Goodies come from China;
US pressures China for years to stop making goodies that compete w/ Big Pharma;
China wants Olympics to go well, so agrees: no more goodies;
During run-down in goodies, US intercepts shipments & generally throws weight around;
Goodies in shorter supply than expected or hoped.

IF China != goodies *after* Olympics, Big Pharma wins.

IF China = goodies *after* Olympics,
AND US (Customs, FDA, DEA) decide to stomp,
THEN Big Pharma wins.

Find goodies elsewhere OR find different goodies OR be sad pandas.

That help???
:bruce3:

 

[WilteredFire]

BodyWizard, i guess none of us can say for sure what will happen. Guess will have to wait and see.

 

[BodyWizard]

well, yeah - I think a lot...and get talkative from time to time...

...just realised my little dancin' Brucie there might seem combative, but no, I was just thinkin' out loud - only on paper (kinds)....

 

[mattikus]

well, yeah - I think a lot...and get talkative from time to time...

...just realised my little dancin' Brucie there might seem combative, but no, I was just thinkin' out loud - only on paper (kinds)....

Yeah well, I have a :bruce1: nunchuck Brucie, so you had better not get combative.

 

[BodyWizard]

uh-oh - and I just noticed yesterday - my nunchucks: they're...GONE!!!
:run:

 

[neoborn]

Ha! Sorry, guys!

Lemme try a simplified form

Goodies come from China;
US pressures China for years to stop making goodies that compete w/ Big Pharma;
China wants Olympics to go well, so agrees: no more goodies;
During run-down in goodies, US intercepts shipments & generally throws weight around;
Goodies in shorter supply than expected or hoped.

IF China != goodies *after* Olympics, Big Pharma wins.

IF China = goodies *after* Olympics,
AND US (Customs, FDA, DEA) decide to stomp,
THEN Big Pharma wins.

Find goodies elsewhere OR find different goodies OR be sad pandas.

That help???
:bruce3:

Yes thank you :lol::thumbsup::FUfinger:

 

[blah3d]

Ha! Sorry, guys!

Lemme try a simplified form

Goodies come from China;
US pressures China for years to stop making goodies that compete w/ Big Pharma;
China wants Olympics to go well, so agrees: no more goodies;
During run-down in goodies, US intercepts shipments & generally throws weight around;
Goodies in shorter supply than expected or hoped.

IF China != goodies *after* Olympics, Big Pharma wins.

IF China = goodies *after* Olympics,
AND US (Customs, FDA, DEA) decide to stomp,
THEN Big Pharma wins.

Find goodies elsewhere OR find different goodies OR be sad pandas.

That help???
:bruce3:

Kinda like programming lol

-----

My daily work out at the beach

 

[BodyWizard]

guess my roots are showing :rofl:

I don't actually think in pseudocode, y'know...it just comes out that way sometimes!

 

[mattikus]

Just started another form run, feel fantastic, and wanna spread my love to every fine looking female manhattanite I see. Form rules!

BBBBBump

 

[singa]

bump on this

so reading the first few pages of this thread, i think i have an understanding of how to make this with the transport matrix + bulk form...

1. Take matrix (8oz.) and put it into separate container and mix in all 5g of bulk form...than wait/stir/heat or w.e so it dissolves into the matrix and transfer it back into the sprayer that the matrix originally came in..at this point there should be about 10.5 mg of form in each spray...so i would spray 2-3 times in morning, 2-3x at night?

can someone verify that with me or correct my math?

 

[singa]

anyone?

 

[mattikus]

Just wanted to bump this awesome thread that I still use as a reference sometimes. Was hard to find since B5150 took over this section lol.

 

[neoborn]

whoever started this thread is teh secksi.

 

[TexasTitan]

whoever started this thread is teh secksi.

Heeeey waitaminute..

 

[JBerto]

Formex MCPE

Forget Formestane and run Formex MCPE :thumbsup:

 

[JDF]

bump on this

so reading the first few pages of this thread, i think i have an understanding of how to make this with the transport matrix + bulk form...

1. Take matrix (8oz.) and put it into separate container and mix in all 5g of bulk form...than wait/stir/heat or w.e so it dissolves into the matrix and transfer it back into the sprayer that the matrix originally came in..at this point there should be about 10.5 mg of form in each spray...so i would spray 2-3 times in morning, 2-3x at night?

can someone verify that with me or correct my math?

bump on this...plan on picking up a couple tubs of form and few bottles of penetrate

 

[thebigt]

cel's new td formestane is the equivalent of e-form. 3gms formestane in 4oz carrier, pre-mixed formestane is back.:fest30:

 

[Mach .78]

Yea, But where can you get it? The CEL product? Nutra has formastane, don't they?

 

[Steveoph]

Yea, But where can you get it? The CEL product? Nutra has formastane, don't they?

I just emailed Darren about picking up the new CEL products; I'll let you guys know what I hear. Mixing up your own isn't that hard though and will be more cost-effective if you have the time to spare.