Going for a run with MMV2+H-Drol
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Silver3CSRT8
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WTF?
GMG760
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You guys obviously don't frequent the pro bodybuilding section of the forum, this video inspired one of the funniest threads I have read in a long time. Yea, Kai Green poses like his testosterone got switched with estradiol.
I just feel bad for the grapefruit he raped.
MATTYO1977
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I think Timber would kick his own ass if he ended up posing like that character. Art looks different to different people right? I guess.
I still wouldn't mind looking like the dude but, DUDE.
I still wouldn't mind looking like the dude but, DUDE.
MATTYO1977
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And just a side note. I got a pump in my shoulder today from shaving. Not like I was doing anything but shaving but there it was. So the over all feelings are positive. I'm feeling strong, tighter and have these random pumps that will last for a period.
Tomorrow evening is shoulders and legs so I'll report back then with any new developments. I may test the waters with some heavier DB presses. We'll see. Last week went fairly easy so I may feel froggy.
Then Sunday begins my last 2 weeks at H-drol at 100mg/day. I'm interested to see if there is any difference or noticeable feelings.
That and I hope that the T-911 and Anadraulic State are at Nutra in time for my PCT to start in 2-ish weeks. I hope so.
Tomorrow evening is shoulders and legs so I'll report back then with any new developments. I may test the waters with some heavier DB presses. We'll see. Last week went fairly easy so I may feel froggy.
Then Sunday begins my last 2 weeks at H-drol at 100mg/day. I'm interested to see if there is any difference or noticeable feelings.
That and I hope that the T-911 and Anadraulic State are at Nutra in time for my PCT to start in 2-ish weeks. I hope so.
GMG760
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The last two weeks at 100mg should have you feeling invincible, especially with the MMV2.
MATTYO1977
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Yea, I was thinking that. I feel pretty good right about now so I am interested to see how it changes. Plus last time this 3 week mark was really when the H-drol kicked in so to speak. And with the added encapsulated rage it should be serious.:rant:
I will update after the workout tonight with commentary for sure.
TimberLakers
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My lethargy kicked up when I went to 125 - 150mg... Just so you have that to look forward to. 
MATTYO1977
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My lethargy kicked up when I went to 125 - 150mg... Just so you have that to look forward to.
I think some days I am a bit lethargic now. If thats at all possible. I have been passing out early, 8 or 9. But coming home and feeling like a nap at 5 and then being really ready for bed at 8. But we shall see.
I am ready to tear the iron apart and I have about 6 hours till I lift. I will be dropping 3 MMV2 pre so it should give me some good motivation after a long week.
TimberLakers
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Its very possible. H-drol was sleep in a bottle.
MATTYO1977
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What was your attack to avoid this sleepy issue?
I would like to stay up until 10 maybe to watch the second game on saturday. Luckily the first one starts at 6 so I know I'll at least see that one.
GMG760
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Carbs and DHEA
TimberLakers
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I'm not sold on DHEA... but carbs helped for sure.
MATTYO1977
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Thanks for the info from both of you. I remember the DHEA conversation from the Beatdown and also vaguely remember that you weren't that convinced. I will up the carbs a bit though I am trying to cut them during the last coupld of meals I take in in the evening.
Last night, out at 8:30 on the couch. como. Into bed at 9:30.
So happy Uconn/Mich State is on early tonight. I may see some of it!
MATTYO1977
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SHOULDER/LEG update.
Legs went well as usual. Much more of a pump during presses and the 30 in seconds between sets was almost not needed. My calves felt like they were going to blow off also. I noticed that the pumps are getting to that place where they are so great that they are border line painful and almost impede the movement. Especially in shoulders but I'll get to that. But the rest of legs was solid. extensions and hams were blown out and I was waddling off to shoulders.
Shoulders was a challenge. We started with seated presses. Took up with a 50 for 10 for a warm up. Then to 75 for 10. 90 for 10 and 105 for 10! I felt great after that. Haven't gone that heavy in a long time. Since the young and dumb days where the only way to train was to lift as heavy as possible every training day. But the 90's went up almost easily so I said why not? banged it out and moved on.
Went into plate raises with a 45 and then a drop to a 25. This is where the pump in my fronts was almost a pain. So pumped that squeezing out the last reps with that 25 was torture! But I managed to do 3 sets of 15 with the 45 followed immediately with 10 reps of the 25. Fronts were going to blow out!
Then to side laterals for a light pump. I could barely raise my arms in any direction after that.
Then we did machine rears. And then rears and sides supersetted on machines.
Finished with some wide up right rows to hit the traps and side delts. Which I have grown to love because they not only have given my traps a nice shock but I get a great feeling in my side delts as well which was all new.
Then finished with DB shrugs. 3 sets working with the 105's, 115's and 125,. 10 reps for each set.
It was a solid routine. The pumps were unreal and the sweat was pouring. I was actually down to my tee shirt in our ice box of a gym. First time in a long time. But now that summer is coming and there will be no AC it will be nothing but Tee shirts. no happy medium.
But no complaints. It was a good night.
Legs went well as usual. Much more of a pump during presses and the 30 in seconds between sets was almost not needed. My calves felt like they were going to blow off also. I noticed that the pumps are getting to that place where they are so great that they are border line painful and almost impede the movement. Especially in shoulders but I'll get to that. But the rest of legs was solid. extensions and hams were blown out and I was waddling off to shoulders.
Shoulders was a challenge. We started with seated presses. Took up with a 50 for 10 for a warm up. Then to 75 for 10. 90 for 10 and 105 for 10! I felt great after that. Haven't gone that heavy in a long time. Since the young and dumb days where the only way to train was to lift as heavy as possible every training day. But the 90's went up almost easily so I said why not? banged it out and moved on.
Went into plate raises with a 45 and then a drop to a 25. This is where the pump in my fronts was almost a pain. So pumped that squeezing out the last reps with that 25 was torture! But I managed to do 3 sets of 15 with the 45 followed immediately with 10 reps of the 25. Fronts were going to blow out!
Then to side laterals for a light pump. I could barely raise my arms in any direction after that.
Then we did machine rears. And then rears and sides supersetted on machines.
Finished with some wide up right rows to hit the traps and side delts. Which I have grown to love because they not only have given my traps a nice shock but I get a great feeling in my side delts as well which was all new.
Then finished with DB shrugs. 3 sets working with the 105's, 115's and 125,. 10 reps for each set.
It was a solid routine. The pumps were unreal and the sweat was pouring. I was actually down to my tee shirt in our ice box of a gym. First time in a long time. But now that summer is coming and there will be no AC it will be nothing but Tee shirts. no happy medium.
But no complaints. It was a good night.
MATTYO1977
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BACK/BI's
This AM was back/bi's. I was still sore from the shoulder assault last night so I knew that would make the bi's a bit rough today.
But started with back. 3 sets of chins. First set I managed 8?? Very surprised. Next set was 6 and the last was 5. So right away I felt some good strength. though I downed 4 MMV2 and my 50mg of H before going in so that probably helps a bit. The MMV2 had me sweating for sure.
Then onto the hammer strength pull down machine. solid 4 sets working up to 3 plates on each side for a set of 10. I was feeling a good pump at that point.
Onto wide grip incline seated rows. These were nailing my rear delts which were hammered the night before so it was a bit rough. But sqeezed out 3 sets with a moderate weight and had a better pump going into T-bar rows.
These have been my main mass builder for back lately. I had been doing seated cable rows for a while. Then one arm DB rows heavy. Remember the 180's I mentioned? Those were one thing that I used those big buggers for. Those have since been retired in favor of 150's since the gym owner got his blood pressure raised by nitwit's trying to press them and dropping them onto the floor or their own faces.
But the T-bars have been treating me nicely. I found the good groove today and did 4 sets working up to a final set with 5 45's for 10 reps. Back was bulging by then.
Then we finished off with wide bar pull downs to the front and back.
Then bi's was brutal! Started with one arm preacher hammer curls. I enjoy these because it gives a good pump low on my bi's. right in the crook of my arm. then I went to seated DB's. 3 sets using a 50 for 10 each. Then finished with EZ bar preachers. 3 sets to failure with a 65. The bi's were blasted and I was drained and it was time to go.
And one other side note is that the gym scale said 306? I have been feeling more space in the pants but the scale is going up. My diet has been basically clean with a cheat meal thrown in during the week. Protein has been high and sleep has been a neccessity. But I have been gaining strength and feeling tighter on the whole.
Tomorrow starts H-Drol at 100mg/day for the last 2 weeks so we'll see how it goes then. I have been fighting the back pumps with 9g of Taurine a day which has seemed to work. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I can avoid them all together for this entire run.
Overall I'm a happy man. Feeling strong and no sides to really report. Libido may be slightly lower but I think it is from the lethargic feelings I have at night. I want to do nothing but sleep. We'll see.
This AM was back/bi's. I was still sore from the shoulder assault last night so I knew that would make the bi's a bit rough today.
But started with back. 3 sets of chins. First set I managed 8?? Very surprised. Next set was 6 and the last was 5. So right away I felt some good strength. though I downed 4 MMV2 and my 50mg of H before going in so that probably helps a bit. The MMV2 had me sweating for sure.
Then onto the hammer strength pull down machine. solid 4 sets working up to 3 plates on each side for a set of 10. I was feeling a good pump at that point.
Onto wide grip incline seated rows. These were nailing my rear delts which were hammered the night before so it was a bit rough. But sqeezed out 3 sets with a moderate weight and had a better pump going into T-bar rows.
These have been my main mass builder for back lately. I had been doing seated cable rows for a while. Then one arm DB rows heavy. Remember the 180's I mentioned? Those were one thing that I used those big buggers for. Those have since been retired in favor of 150's since the gym owner got his blood pressure raised by nitwit's trying to press them and dropping them onto the floor or their own faces.
But the T-bars have been treating me nicely. I found the good groove today and did 4 sets working up to a final set with 5 45's for 10 reps. Back was bulging by then.
Then we finished off with wide bar pull downs to the front and back.
Then bi's was brutal! Started with one arm preacher hammer curls. I enjoy these because it gives a good pump low on my bi's. right in the crook of my arm. then I went to seated DB's. 3 sets using a 50 for 10 each. Then finished with EZ bar preachers. 3 sets to failure with a 65. The bi's were blasted and I was drained and it was time to go.
And one other side note is that the gym scale said 306? I have been feeling more space in the pants but the scale is going up. My diet has been basically clean with a cheat meal thrown in during the week. Protein has been high and sleep has been a neccessity. But I have been gaining strength and feeling tighter on the whole.
Tomorrow starts H-Drol at 100mg/day for the last 2 weeks so we'll see how it goes then. I have been fighting the back pumps with 9g of Taurine a day which has seemed to work. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I can avoid them all together for this entire run.
Overall I'm a happy man. Feeling strong and no sides to really report. Libido may be slightly lower but I think it is from the lethargic feelings I have at night. I want to do nothing but sleep. We'll see.
MATTYO1977
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I love the added no homo!
I am not the most photogenic guy. I am far from being cut but am not sloppy at all. A big hairy man beast for sure. But I am filling out my frame with what I've got. Genetics is keeping my belly no matter what type of hellish diet I put myself through so I have given up on that for a while and have focused on packing on muscle. I don't want to go on an all out diet and lose all the muscle I have gained to just lose weight. if that makes any sense.
But like I said, my pants are more spacious in the waist and like Silver, I am notching in the belt. Something must be right. I've been wearing the same pants size since high school but the composition around that waist has changed a lot. though I was 265 in high school!
and we'll see about the lethargy. going to bed early isn't a bad thing. And at least some one can relate to my night life! These young guys must think we are crazy!
MATTYO1977
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CHEST/Tri's
Feeling sore! Had an extra long stretch to start this morning. Just about everything is sore right now and everything will be sore at the end of this routine.
Started with the SMith incline. Warmed up with 1 45 on each side. Then went to 2 plates on each side for a set of 12. Up to 2 plates and a 25 for a set of 10. Then since I felt so good I moved to 3 45's on each side for a set of 10. Felt really strong. Though my pec issue from my last run is still in the back of my head so I didn't want to push it any further with weight or reps at that point though my partner asked if we were going to go higher after that set. I declined and we moved on.
Hit cable crosses. 3 sets with moderate weight to force some blood into the upper pecs.
From there went to incline DB press. Started with a 65 for 10. Then to the 80's for 10. and then last set again felt good so hit up 105's for a set of 10. The strength is really starting to pick up at this point like I remember it did on my solo H-drol run. If guys can wait with this compound it does pay off quite nicely. But this 3 week mark is the spot where it all comes together, like Hannibal Smith would say.
Then we hit flyes lighter for the pump. Used 50's for 3 sets of 12. Still inclines.
Then onto dips. Managed 3 sets. First set was 12, next was 10 last was almost 8. My shoulders were screaming as were my Tri's at this point and we still had tri's to do!
Next was pec dec for a lower pec squeeze. I love setting the seat to its highest point and using the lower half of teh handle and really getting a good squeeze into the bottom portion of my chest. Right in the middle bottom. Great pump and we were done with chest.
Tri's started with the 8 sets of 8 on the rope. I had moved to the 8th plate last week so I worked on being more strict with the form this week. The slower burn and tension really was brutal. I made it through but did cheat a bit with some longer rest for the last few sets.
Then we hit some flat bar push downs and some V handle heavy push downs and were out. Arms were about to blow my sleeves off. The inner head was pumped to the max. I wish I had a tape because I was looking at a record today. Next time maybe.
But overall a productive cycle of workouts this week. I am getting the all over body pumps now and may up the Taurine to 4 3 times a day depending on the back issues. The H-drol will be at 100 mg/day from here on out and the MMV2 will be at 5/day. I took 4 before we left today and it gets me going.
So that is the story. Time to rest and enjoy the rest of the sunday before the work week begins.
Feeling sore! Had an extra long stretch to start this morning. Just about everything is sore right now and everything will be sore at the end of this routine.
Started with the SMith incline. Warmed up with 1 45 on each side. Then went to 2 plates on each side for a set of 12. Up to 2 plates and a 25 for a set of 10. Then since I felt so good I moved to 3 45's on each side for a set of 10. Felt really strong. Though my pec issue from my last run is still in the back of my head so I didn't want to push it any further with weight or reps at that point though my partner asked if we were going to go higher after that set. I declined and we moved on.
Hit cable crosses. 3 sets with moderate weight to force some blood into the upper pecs.
From there went to incline DB press. Started with a 65 for 10. Then to the 80's for 10. and then last set again felt good so hit up 105's for a set of 10. The strength is really starting to pick up at this point like I remember it did on my solo H-drol run. If guys can wait with this compound it does pay off quite nicely. But this 3 week mark is the spot where it all comes together, like Hannibal Smith would say.
Then we hit flyes lighter for the pump. Used 50's for 3 sets of 12. Still inclines.
Then onto dips. Managed 3 sets. First set was 12, next was 10 last was almost 8. My shoulders were screaming as were my Tri's at this point and we still had tri's to do!
Next was pec dec for a lower pec squeeze. I love setting the seat to its highest point and using the lower half of teh handle and really getting a good squeeze into the bottom portion of my chest. Right in the middle bottom. Great pump and we were done with chest.
Tri's started with the 8 sets of 8 on the rope. I had moved to the 8th plate last week so I worked on being more strict with the form this week. The slower burn and tension really was brutal. I made it through but did cheat a bit with some longer rest for the last few sets.
Then we hit some flat bar push downs and some V handle heavy push downs and were out. Arms were about to blow my sleeves off. The inner head was pumped to the max. I wish I had a tape because I was looking at a record today. Next time maybe.
But overall a productive cycle of workouts this week. I am getting the all over body pumps now and may up the Taurine to 4 3 times a day depending on the back issues. The H-drol will be at 100 mg/day from here on out and the MMV2 will be at 5/day. I took 4 before we left today and it gets me going.
So that is the story. Time to rest and enjoy the rest of the sunday before the work week begins.
MATTYO1977
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The rest is what is really killing me. I could have taken about 10 naps today. This 100 dose may be a killer for the next 2 weeks. TLake was absolutely right.
But the food has been good. I have been toying with the carbs and stuff. They have been low and then high as well and it doesn't seem to matter with the lethargy.
We'll see how it goes.
But the work has been going well. Feeling strong and tight.
Silver3CSRT8
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Rock on brother. Fight through the lethargy because it will be worth it in the end!
MATTYO1977
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I do spread them out. I take 2 in the AM, 2 at lunch and then one later in the afternoon.
But I will be having to ration them out soon because I am getting to the bottom of the bottle. I will save them for sure for w/o days but other days may be few to none.
Craigmatthew
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Good to see you still pushing hard in this log brother! I found the mmv2 did help with the lethargy. Also helped increase the pre workout rage!! haha
MATTYO1977
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it does help before the work outs big time. But the over all lethargic feelings that I am having are brutal. I don't notice any pick me up from the 2 MMV2 that I take daily but when it is doubled up pre w/o its right there.
We'll see how it goes for the last 2 weeks.
TimberLakers
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Stay the course. I know it sucks.
MATTYO1977
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I am starting to understand that this is the only option. Because as my body feels great my brain is TIRED! This run down feeling is lame. But my sleep last night was interrupted as best so I can understand why I feel tired today. But when I sleep for 10 hours and I still feel beat? sux.
What's going on with you down there?
GMG760
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BP is an issue on most hormones. I would say to stay away from stimulants if possible. I know I used NOxplode on MMV2 and M1D, but those were pretty mild, and I wasn't as educated as I should have been. I know Timber drank diet mtn dew like it was going out of style on his Hdrol run.
MATTYO1977
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I haven't been on any type of stims because I know they are frowned upon while on. I'll have the occassional cup of coffee but that is way down from my old coffee habit. I did have a cup last week after dinner and it did nothing to me. I was asleep again on the couch before 9.
So I think I am going to have to stick it out and just suck up the sack time. It is tough feeling tired all the time. The drive in to work has been interesting sometimes. A bit of nodding off as I drive. Not a good thing. Windows down from here on!
So I think I am going to have to stick it out and just suck up the sack time. It is tough feeling tired all the time. The drive in to work has been interesting sometimes. A bit of nodding off as I drive. Not a good thing. Windows down from here on!
GMG760
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A bit of cardio always helps my lethargy. Sucks to have to do when on cycle, but I feel better afterwards. Two days a week might help keep some of the lethargy at bay.
GMG760
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actually I don't have doubts about DHEA, that's Timber who does. DHEA helped me out a ton on my Mdrol cycle.
The thing about the dermacrine is that it converts to the target hormones at a rate of 40% or so with a transdermal delivery. Oral DHEA converts at rate of about 1%. So that means that 100mg DHEA is going to equal 1 mg test, where as 100mg dermacrine is going to equal 40mg test. Pretty big difference.
MATTYO1977
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Did you say the dreaded C word? NOOOOOO!!!!:laugh:
I do a bit of a warm up that doesn't really count as cardio. I was thinking of working in cardio on my off days though. A little biking. Watch some TV and bike at home. We'll see. Anything to avoid cardio!
GMG760
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LOL... my diet has to be soo much stricter when I don't do cardio. Cardio just makes me feel better in general.
GMG760
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I wish I had the kind of body that would allow for that... I don't think I am gonna give cardio up again ever, even on a bulk. I just feel a lot healthier when I do my cardio.
MATTYO1977
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How much cardio are you guys talking about here? I don't mind doing some, not my favorite thing to do and it is easily skippable. I do prefer a brief warm up which I like to consider my cardio. That and I cut my rest periods way down so I also talk myself into saying that that counts as a cardio activity.
But the worst part is, I used to do 40 minutes of cardio 5 days a week and was never lighter than 260. Granted that was in college, going on 12 years ago. But I also had much less knowledge of diet, supplementals, etc. I didn't eat terribly but drank a lot more and was part of the GMG respiratory squad about 50 times a week.
Then I took up a cardio component a few years back after settling in the 290-300 weight range for quite some time. Figured I knock out some cardio and shed some fat. Not a chance. I upped protein, lowered carbs, became cranky, kicked the dog but never really lost a lot of weight. Granted now I am the most muscular I have ever been and my body has recompositioned itself to deal with the change. All of my clothing is the same sizes but are snug in different spots. No longer in the belly but in the shoulders, pits and across the back.
So to say I am soured on cardio is an understatement. I understand that to be healthier in general I don't need to carry around 300 pounds on my joints but I hate to think of giving up that time and effort of building this muscle. I figure by 40 I need to weigh 250. That gives me 8 years to shed it off. My old man is 62 and still weighs 230 and is pretty solid. Flat benching 315 for 4. I hope I could even think about doing that at that age! Don't even talk to me about him on a leg exercise. Just about buries me on a weekly basis. But my Daddy issues are for a different thread all together.
AZMIDLYF
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A former member of the "Wake and Bake" club myself M. You could do a 15 minute slow cardio session after your weights. Probably not on leg days but, after the others would be possible. The theory is that you just burned up the glycogen lifting so the cardio uses your fat for energy. Just thinking aloud again...
MATTYO1977
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I was thinking of putting in some cardio after the weights. We used to do that as well. Start with a 15 minute warm up. Then we would lift for like an hour and then do 15 at the end. Then time contraints and life stuff started to squeeze that out of the schedule. We'll see.
And your thinking out loud is producing some thoughts on my end. Good stuff.
MATTYO1977
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I can't imagine the 5 year old at 50! My kids are young too and I couldn't imagine doing this at your age. Not that you are old but you are going to be older when she is out looking for boy friend's and what not. Talk about needing something to relax your mind a bit. That or a really sweet handgun to polish when she has her friend's over.
And the Mary never held me back but did make me a lazy ass. I'd schedule it in after all my work was done. The after dinner mint isn't a bad idea G. Get your mind right for some relaxation before bed and forget about the day.
And the Mary never held me back but did make me a lazy ass. I'd schedule it in after all my work was done. The after dinner mint isn't a bad idea G. Get your mind right for some relaxation before bed and forget about the day.
MATTYO1977
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On a different note. After my weekend routine, I am not sore. Not one part. I was super sore sunday and then chest was hit on monday but woke up today and feel fine. I am getting some back pumps which I was anticipating but am not overly concerned.
Though I am not going to have enough MMV2 to fully finish out this run. I am saving enough to throw 4 in before each work out but the daily 5 are gone. So I will be finishing the run with 100 mg of H-drol/ day and then 4 MMV2 on workout days. It should be a strong finish. I just couldn't see the need in buying an entire bottle of MMV2 for a 2 week burst. I do have plenty of H-drol left over though...
Though I am not going to have enough MMV2 to fully finish out this run. I am saving enough to throw 4 in before each work out but the daily 5 are gone. So I will be finishing the run with 100 mg of H-drol/ day and then 4 MMV2 on workout days. It should be a strong finish. I just couldn't see the need in buying an entire bottle of MMV2 for a 2 week burst. I do have plenty of H-drol left over though...