Pplex results - three weeks completed, one to go

n5605r

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Ok, I am now starting 4th week of Pplex, and added in Estane last week. The strength gain off this is crazy. Not too much size or weight difference yet, but just insane strength gain. Anyone else have the same effect with Pplex - great strength gain, but not a lot of weight or size gain? (I am eating about 500 calories over maintenance).
 
I didnt get the weight gains until 3rd week or so, after then i gained about a 1 or2 every day. crazy how this stuff works
 
n5605r said:
Ok, I am now starting 4th week of Pplex, and added in Estane last week. The strength gain off this is crazy. Not too much size or weight difference yet, but just insane strength gain. Anyone else have the same effect with Pplex - great strength gain, but not a lot of weight or size gain? (I am eating about 500 calories over maintenance).
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How much have you gained? 500 over maintenance is only about a pound per week if you break it down calorie wise, or maybe with pplex 2 lbs a week. Another thing to consder is that if you're getting stronger, odds are that you're adding muscle. Have you leaned out at all? Gaining 1 lb of muscle and losing 1 lb of fat still = 0 lbs gained on the scale...
 
n5605r said:
Ok, I am now starting 4th week of Pplex, and added in Estane last week. The strength gain off this is crazy. Not too much size or weight difference yet, but just insane strength gain. Anyone else have the same effect with Pplex - great strength gain, but not a lot of weight or size gain? (I am eating about 500 calories over maintenance).
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Can you give us the scoop on a) your dosage b) sideeffects and b) your PCT?
Thanks, man!
 
Here's more detail on my cycle:

Pplex 30/30/40/40/00/00
Estane 00/00/30/30/30/30
CEL Cycle support at 8 total caps per day in two doses as per bottle's directions
Multi vitamin, CoQ10, Fish oil

PCT - I have a few options lined up:

Option 1:
Novedex XT (I know, it's not Nolva) with CEL PCT assist (I wanted to use 6 OXO instead of the Gaspari Novedex but I am unable to locate any)

Option 2:
Blue up and Reversatol with possibly inhibit E

If anyone has other PCT ideas for this cycle, I am open to any comments or suggetions.

As of right now, I have zero, none, nada side effects at all, almost to the point I was wondering if it was working, until my strength shot up. For example, on incline dumbbell pressing, I went from about 85 pound dumbbells max for sets of 8 reps, up to 110 pounds for sets of 8 in about ten days. Squats are up almost 50 pounds. Everything is up so much I am worrying about my joints as they are all getting real sore from this weight.

Lastly, I have leaned out some, so good point there in that I may have gained muscle and lost some bf. I will probably bump up calories further for the last few weeks of this to see what happens.

If anyone else has any wisdom to share, I am all ears.
 
While I have not yet done any roid myself, I have read all logs I could get my hands on and did some serious PCT research. It seems that

a) your dosage of Pplex is very aggressive (many made fantastic gains with 20 mg max.)
b) where is the "must" component of any DS cycle - the SERM?

It is by now common knowledge that Novedex, Reversatol etc. in no way can replace a SERM like Tamoxifen or Clomid.
 
I am sure you're right, I suppose I should look into getting a SERM. I have read about people doing the Mdrol and using just the blue up, reversitol, and inhibit E and having no issues which is why I suppose I felt comfortable with the PCT I mentioned. I will make getting a SERM my project for next week. Thanks for feedback.
 
n5605r said:
I am sure you're right, I suppose I should look into getting a SERM. I have read about people doing the Mdrol and using just the blue up, reversitol, and inhibit E and having no issues which is why I suppose I felt comfortable with the PCT I mentioned. I will make getting a SERM my project for next week. Thanks for feedback.
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Good to know. Can you be more specific about your strength gains?
 
Strength gain examples: (I currently weigh about 176, all rep ranges are around 8 to 10 with good form and full range of motion, and I do about 4 working sets per movement)

Squats in smith machine went from 285 to 345

Deadlifts went from 245 to 295 (I have to be careful on this one as I get a strange feeling running through my left glute into my ham when I go heavy)

Shoulder pressing (dumbbells) - 75 pounds to 95 pounds per side

Incline barbell bench - 225 to 265

Incline dumbbell press - 85 to 110 per side (that's really heavy for me)

Standing bicep curls (straight bar) 85 pounds to 100 pounds (could go heavier but shoulder hurts to much on this for some reason)

Standing calf machine - there's now not enough weight on the stack at 270

You're probably wondering about flat bench - I can't do those currently due to a nasty shoulder problem, strange that incline bench doesn't bother it all, at least my upper pecs are finally coming in.

Anything with triceps and back has also gone up in the same proportion, I can now crank out 20 solid wide grip pull ups, up from 15. Bent over rowing has gone from about 135 to 165

Hopefully that gives you an idea of what kind of difference I have gotten literally during the last two weeks. Oddly enough, I really don't care about the strength, I just want to get bigger!!!!

As for the needed bump up in calories for the extra size, should that come from any specific ratio of carbs to protein, or just eat anything in sight?
 
n5605r said:
Strength gain examples: (I currently weigh about 176, all rep ranges are around 8 to 10 with good form and full range of motion, and I do about 4 working sets per movement)

Squats in smith machine went from 285 to 345

Deadlifts went from 245 to 295 (I have to be careful on this one as I get a strange feeling running through my left glute into my ham when I go heavy)

Shoulder pressing (dumbbells) - 75 pounds to 95 pounds per side

Incline barbell bench - 225 to 265

Incline dumbbell press - 85 to 110 per side (that's really heavy for me)

Standing bicep curls (straight bar) 85 pounds to 100 pounds (could go heavier but shoulder hurts to much on this for some reason)

Standing calf machine - there's now not enough weight on the stack at 270

You're probably wondering about flat bench - I can't do those currently due to a nasty shoulder problem, strange that incline bench doesn't bother it all, at least my upper pecs are finally coming in.

Anything with triceps and back has also gone up in the same proportion, I can now crank out 20 solid wide grip pull ups, up from 15. Bent over rowing has gone from about 135 to 165

Hopefully that gives you an idea of what kind of difference I have gotten literally during the last two weeks. Oddly enough, I really don't care about the strength, I just want to get bigger!!!!

As for the needed bump up in calories for the extra size, should that come from any specific ratio of carbs to protein, or just eat anything in sight?
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Try to eat either good carbs or protein. Also, do you look any bigger or leaner or something? there has to have been some physical change
 
I do look different according to my wife (and I have to lie to her about how I only take "amino acids"). Perhaps I just don't notice the changes as I see myself everyday and I am constantly looking for a change. I do have some pics I took before I started, perhaps I could post the before/after from this cycle and let you guys decide if you see a difference.
 
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I do look different according to my wife (and I have to lie to her about how I only take "amino acids"). Perhaps I just don't notice the changes as I see myself everyday and I am constantly looking for a change. I do have some pics I took before I started, perhaps I could post the before/after from this cycle and let you guys decide if you see a difference.
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I'd just be very surprised if there was that much of a difference in terms of strength and no physical difference. Wouldn't make sense to me
 
Ok, I weighed in 4 pounds heavier this morning on the same scale, seems some size and weight gain are now starting in week 4.
 
I am experiencing the same results. Lots of strength and a little size. My abs are showing more so I might be losing some fat. I got blood work done and the doctor said my liver enzymes were bad but not bad enough to be admitted to the hospital. I went to the doctor cause I had a gallbladder attack. I have known for a long time I have gallstones. He thought that my liver enzymes were bad because of my gallbladder I guess. Anyway, it was completely unrelated to P Plex but it was a good chance to get blood work done. I did not get specifics on the blood test cause at the time I was on a pain killer for the pain in my stomach.
Just to reaffirm, bad liver enzymes is a side effect that you can not see without blood work. My question and everyone else question should be, can this cause long term irreversible liver damage? I would hope the answer is no! I am not experiencing any other sides. I feel great besides the attack, which I have experienced 6 attacks over the last year. I need to have my gallbladder removed. I hope this was helpful.
 
I'm with you on that, I wonder also about any long term effects or other damage, but obviously the desire for some extra muscle seems to outweigh our concerns... My take on it is this - there's so much other bad crap we're exposed to from pesticides on our food, growth hormones in our meat, pollution in the air, etc, that a little sprinkle of Pplex is probably not a big deal. Hope you get all recovered from the gall bladder issue.
 
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