Persplagon
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That's awsome things are going back to normal. Has anyone noticed that since getting the varicocele they're colder than usual? In the fingers and toes especially.
VARICOCELE...can it effect testosterone?
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Coriakin
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Hi everyone,
Things are going pretty good. The soreness and pain has dramatically decreased since Friday, and I'm pretty much back to everyday activity as long as it doesn't involve lifting heavy things or exercise more intense than jogging.
As far as the veins, it's pretty much the same as what djawol said.
I'm not sure about the cold extremities, Persplagon. Each time winter comes around, I despise it more and it seems more cold to me, so I guess I can't give a fair answer. Interesting you ask that question though, because I developed something called Raynaud's Disease earlier this winter. It makes your toes react more to cold and form painful swelled-up red spots. I'm not really sure if it has anything to do with the varicocle, though; I think it's partly hereditary in my case.
Things are going pretty good. The soreness and pain has dramatically decreased since Friday, and I'm pretty much back to everyday activity as long as it doesn't involve lifting heavy things or exercise more intense than jogging.
As far as the veins, it's pretty much the same as what djawol said.
I'm not sure about the cold extremities, Persplagon. Each time winter comes around, I despise it more and it seems more cold to me, so I guess I can't give a fair answer. Interesting you ask that question though, because I developed something called Raynaud's Disease earlier this winter. It makes your toes react more to cold and form painful swelled-up red spots. I'm not really sure if it has anything to do with the varicocle, though; I think it's partly hereditary in my case.
Airgutter87
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Awesome information 
, thanks for the update guys! :biglaugh: As for the questions for how big the veins are post surgery, you guys will have to wait a bit -_-.. I'm sure the swelling has gone down for both patients giving us updates but their healing is definitely still in progress :]. This is probably my favorite thread of all time, with all the information given and experiences shared I feel like we're a Varicocele family :'D :grouphug:.. l o l..
Hope you guys have zero post complications :fingersx:, it seems like you've already recovered mighty fast and clean.
Coria, question for you: Where did you get your surgery done (state/city) and how old are you?
Thanks for the updates :bruce3:
-Aaron
, thanks for the update guys! :biglaugh: As for the questions for how big the veins are post surgery, you guys will have to wait a bit -_-.. I'm sure the swelling has gone down for both patients giving us updates but their healing is definitely still in progress :]. This is probably my favorite thread of all time, with all the information given and experiences shared I feel like we're a Varicocele family :'D :grouphug:.. l o l..Hope you guys have zero post complications :fingersx:, it seems like you've already recovered mighty fast and clean.
Coria, question for you: Where did you get your surgery done (state/city) and how old are you?
Thanks for the updates :bruce3:
-Aaron
djawol
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I was the opposite. I've never had circulation problems and I was having trouble with hot flushes and random sweating while just sat around. It's not been noticeable.
As an update for the post op recovery period I'm very similar to Coriakin. I rested since Wednesday and then went to the gym this morning, 20 mins cycling, 10 mins rowing with no ill effect but felt as I have done before up to a week after donating blood. Lacking in energy, more out of breath, I wonder if that is down to blood lost during the operation?
I then went for a jog at lunchtime at apart from the heavy leg feeling and breathing I managed a 30mins 3.6mile route with hills. I have no pain, I'm still taking the Diclofenac purely to stop any inflamation.
Yesterday I had one of the depressive miserable days that most of us experienced, felt awful and couldn't deal with anything. Then today that's lifted and I feel better again but still nowhere near right. I'm thinking about going down the Clomid route as Beckerj did if I don't notice a signifcant improvement in a month or so and have booked to see the doc in 2 months to discuss t-levels/throid etc if things aren't improving.
dj
Coriakin
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Hi everyone,
I've been doing very well the past few days. Swelling and soreness in the incision area and the scrotum has definitely gone down. I'll be going back to the doctor in a week; hopefully everything has been healing fine.
Airgutter, I live in New York, and am 15 years old. The hospital wasn't really any special one where they deal with these things or anything like that; for example, it is the same hospital where I was born.
I've been doing very well the past few days. Swelling and soreness in the incision area and the scrotum has definitely gone down. I'll be going back to the doctor in a week; hopefully everything has been healing fine.
Airgutter, I live in New York, and am 15 years old. The hospital wasn't really any special one where they deal with these things or anything like that; for example, it is the same hospital where I was born.
idr
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Hello ppl. I had a varicocele operation one week ago(gr. II).
Two days ago i had my blood test, but they couldn't do T and free T , so i am doing it again tomorrow. The other results are (19 years old):
estradiol 92.931 pmol/l (19.7-242)
Progesteron 4.80 nmol/l (0.6 -4.89)
prolactin 12.9 ng/ml (3.7-17.9)
LH 6.79 mUI/ml (0.8-7.6)
FSH 6.99 mUI/ml (11.5-97.4)
cortisol 379 nmol/l (240-618)
FT3 6.02 pmol/l (4.26-8.10)
FT4 14.1pmol/l (10-28.2)
Are they good? Fsh is out of range, is lower than normal and progesteron is in the max area.
Should i repeat tomorror the FSH or LH with T and free T?
Two days ago i had my blood test, but they couldn't do T and free T , so i am doing it again tomorrow. The other results are (19 years old):
estradiol 92.931 pmol/l (19.7-242)
Progesteron 4.80 nmol/l (0.6 -4.89)
prolactin 12.9 ng/ml (3.7-17.9)
LH 6.79 mUI/ml (0.8-7.6)
FSH 6.99 mUI/ml (11.5-97.4)
cortisol 379 nmol/l (240-618)
FT3 6.02 pmol/l (4.26-8.10)
FT4 14.1pmol/l (10-28.2)
Are they good? Fsh is out of range, is lower than normal and progesteron is in the max area.
Should i repeat tomorror the FSH or LH with T and free T?
LetsDoIt
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I had a Varicocele treatment done on both testicles and have noticed that my nuts just hang there and my penis also has no life. I know that this has to do with my hormone levels and am going to get them checked but I had a question. Has anyone who has had the treatment noticed a coldness in the scrotum and also the penis? Also on the left incision side I notice a weird tingle I think that it may be some nerve damage. Anyways thanks for everyone on this post.
Persplagon
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Coriakin and djawol any updates?
Coriakin
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Hi all,
The pain and soreness is almost completely gone now. It only hurts if I stretch so that the incision area is stretched out, or if something hits me in the incision area. There is still a very small amount of soreness in the scrotum.
I'm not sure, but it does seem like the "bag of worms" has been decreasing in size.
I go back to the doctor in a couple of days, hopefully he says everything has been healing fine with no complications.
The pain and soreness is almost completely gone now. It only hurts if I stretch so that the incision area is stretched out, or if something hits me in the incision area. There is still a very small amount of soreness in the scrotum.
I'm not sure, but it does seem like the "bag of worms" has been decreasing in size.
I go back to the doctor in a couple of days, hopefully he says everything has been healing fine with no complications.
djawol
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djawol
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Update
Hi,
My update is very similar to Coriakin, no complications as such although I think I have a bit of a hydrocele but it's going down.
As for the mental symptoms, after feeling good for a few days I went downhill and felt very depressed. Been feeling back to my pre-op normal in the last few days - lacking in drive etc but able to exercise.
My concentration and drive is worse than ever so have got an appointment to discuss levels in a weeks time to try and get to the bottom of what I'm missing. From what others have posted I think the varicocele caused the condition but now I need to kickstart my body into working again somehow.
Physical changes - waking up to erections every day which hasn't happened for 18months, my nuts and scrotum don't now hang anywhere near as low as they had been and it doesn't feel 'hot and heavy'. For the first few days after surgery things were tight and bunched up but that's now loosened.
The surgery is worth doing but unfortunately it wasn't the fix I wanted health wise so need to go to the next step...whatever that is.
dj
Hi,
My update is very similar to Coriakin, no complications as such although I think I have a bit of a hydrocele but it's going down.
As for the mental symptoms, after feeling good for a few days I went downhill and felt very depressed. Been feeling back to my pre-op normal in the last few days - lacking in drive etc but able to exercise.
My concentration and drive is worse than ever so have got an appointment to discuss levels in a weeks time to try and get to the bottom of what I'm missing. From what others have posted I think the varicocele caused the condition but now I need to kickstart my body into working again somehow.
Physical changes - waking up to erections every day which hasn't happened for 18months, my nuts and scrotum don't now hang anywhere near as low as they had been and it doesn't feel 'hot and heavy'. For the first few days after surgery things were tight and bunched up but that's now loosened.
The surgery is worth doing but unfortunately it wasn't the fix I wanted health wise so need to go to the next step...whatever that is.
dj
Persplagon
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That's good news to hear, I'm glad everything is going well. How is the bag of worms feeling now?
monsterbox
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I was diagnosed with a stage II the other day. My left nut is slightly smaller than my right. Sometimes it feels full and large when my sack is tight, but othertimes I have some major BAT WING and its softer and smaller than my full/hard right one.
My testosterone level is 400's and I'm only 20. I did come off of a very short superdrol cycle 40 days ago that only lasted 8 days, therefore I believe these low test levels are in relation to my stage II.
I have NO pain and my sex drive is fine.
I do however believe I will precede with a surgery because I dont want this bothering me later in life and causing any more shrinkage.
Is it necessary to have clomid/hcg after surgery to return the testicle or will it come back normally?
My testosterone level is 400's and I'm only 20. I did come off of a very short superdrol cycle 40 days ago that only lasted 8 days, therefore I believe these low test levels are in relation to my stage II.
I have NO pain and my sex drive is fine.
I do however believe I will precede with a surgery because I dont want this bothering me later in life and causing any more shrinkage.
Is it necessary to have clomid/hcg after surgery to return the testicle or will it come back normally?
Airgutter87
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Hey monster,
400's for T level is not low at all
. It's not necessary to have clomid for testicle size to slightly enlarge.. Clomid from what I've read on this thread so far is more for the guys in their 30's. Luckily for us we're still young enough to where our testicle should gain some size back. Since your Varicocele is only a stage II surgery won't really help with much (for gaining) but is definitely a GREAT idea for preventing further damage down the road and possible infertility.. As a new comer to weight-lifting, how long you been lifting >.<? You're pretty big 
, I'm assuming you played football? -Aaron
jordan2345
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wat do u mean "It will solve your problem fixing the left one for the shrinkage on both testicles if your varicocele problem is only associated with the left-side, to my knowledge. "??
ur saying fixing a left varicocele will fix BOTH of my testes shrinking? the doctors told me its not possible a left varicocele can cause both shrinking and the hardening...
im not trying to get a varcicocele surgery, then realize after that the hardness is still there...i just have to pray my testes dont get smaller and smaller ... for some reason I dont like it when my nuts hang low cuz it looks smaller than when its tight...kinda funny
monsterbox
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Hey monster,
400's for T level is not low at all
-Aaron
Well my delima is I'm trying to decide if my test is only 400 because I haven't recovered from the cycle which was a while back or is it because my varicocele is preventing me from having a normal test level for my age.
Im leaning towards the varicocele because I believe this 400 level is my baseline considering I feel the same as before the cycle.
400 is very low for 20 years old. 20 year old males should be around 700-800. My father is 58 and was prescribed trt for 466 total test levels.
I've been working out for about two years. I was actually in the marching band not the football team haha...but everyone assumes I played football now haha.
So what is the difference between a stage 1, 2, and 3. I mean mine doesn't bring any pain, its not very noticeable, but you can feel it for sure. My left testicle is softer/smaller than my right but I don't know if its shrunk or if its always been this size. I never paid attention until learning about varicocele. Can a stage 2 induce lower testosterone levels or does it require pain/swelling of a stage 3 to accompany lower test levels.
fathom777
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The problem with a varicocele is that it somehow throws off more than just testosterone. It seems to throw other hormones out of wack as well. I have been having a hell of a time trying to get my hormones dialed-in.
I think there is a misconception about testosterone levels. The sweet spot is not the same for all people. The sweet spot is the range that is in "perfect balance" with the other hormones. Higher testosterone doesn't necessarily mean higher libido and stronger erections. In fact, sometimes higher testosterone can result is the opposite. It all depends on the individual.
My varicocele problem has really screwed me up sexually. I have had ED on and off since I was 18 and I am 35 now. I am not sure what to do at this point. I am so sick of living this way. HRT does not necessarily solve this issue. There seems to be more to it than just low testosterone.
Has anyone on this board ever overcome ED related to a varicocele? I would give anything to be normal again.
I think there is a misconception about testosterone levels. The sweet spot is not the same for all people. The sweet spot is the range that is in "perfect balance" with the other hormones. Higher testosterone doesn't necessarily mean higher libido and stronger erections. In fact, sometimes higher testosterone can result is the opposite. It all depends on the individual.
My varicocele problem has really screwed me up sexually. I have had ED on and off since I was 18 and I am 35 now. I am not sure what to do at this point. I am so sick of living this way. HRT does not necessarily solve this issue. There seems to be more to it than just low testosterone.
Has anyone on this board ever overcome ED related to a varicocele? I would give anything to be normal again.
Airgutter87
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If you have it on the left side and your right side is shrinking then what else could it be from?... Nothing >.<.. Either you're imagining it shrinking or there's something else going on.. maybe at a certain time of the day its more tender and appears to be smaller? I'm not sure what else causes atrophy in a testicle, maybe cancer?.. Anyway if your unaffected ball is shrinking and the docs are telling you that it's not from a Varicocele go back and get it thoroughly checked. If they tell you it's not shrinking, you might be tricking yourself into thinking that it's shrinking (hypochondriac)..
-Aaron :scared:
Airgutter87
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Hmm from all of the knowledgable posts I've read and doctor quotes, T levels can fluctuate from 200-900 for the average male (mid 20's+). Many people on here are told by doctors that their T levels are at an average range @ mid 200's. 18ish is the prime age for T level peak from what I've read medically and been taught at college, it's supposed to slowly decrease as you age. Did your Physician recommend anything to promote T level/ hormonal growth or what was his opionion on your reading?
The idea brought up in previous posts is that Testosterone levels can decrease from a Varicocele if the Varicocele damages the Leydig cells which produce the Testosterone.. Most doctors will tell you that a Varicocele does not affect T levels at all. I don't see how it couldnt if there's atrophy (shrinkage) to the testicle -_-, 'cause shrinkage is damaging by itself... the stages represents the severity of your Varicocele and I believe its determined by the diameter of the inflamed vein.. Stage II and III are noticed by the touch and often by the eye.. (mine is 3 and very apparent by the eye in room+ temperature)
K1212
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doctors are idiots, this is one thing I have learned
I recieved my varicocele on my left side in July and since then both of my testicles have shrunk to the size of small grapes, before both of them were very large and full
Someone told me the testicles are like twins, and for some reason when one of them gets smaller, the other one gets smaller as well
tony12345
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I had varicocele surgery 3 months ago. I wish I had it done a long time ago. There was lots of pre surgery testing, (blood tests, semen analysis, ultra sound), but the actual surgery went very smooth & professional. I was sore for awhile after the surgery but I barely even needed the percosets the doc gave me. I found the whole hospital experience kinda cool & interesting, and the nurses really pampered me as I was recovering.
Anyone who has a variocele should have it removed, and if your urologist tells you "dont worry about it" find another doc. Variocele will cause progressive damage to the testicle over time. My T levels are in the normal range, but my sperm counts are very low, I'm hoping this will fix it. But I waited too many years before addressing this issue and I hope I don't regret it.
Also, now that I have healed, the soreness & pain in my testicle that I used to have caused by the varicocele (presurgery) is no longer, even though my doc said he couldn't guarantee it would go away.
Anyone who has a variocele should have it removed, and if your urologist tells you "dont worry about it" find another doc. Variocele will cause progressive damage to the testicle over time. My T levels are in the normal range, but my sperm counts are very low, I'm hoping this will fix it. But I waited too many years before addressing this issue and I hope I don't regret it.
Also, now that I have healed, the soreness & pain in my testicle that I used to have caused by the varicocele (presurgery) is no longer, even though my doc said he couldn't guarantee it would go away.
Airgutter87
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Congrats on the major success.. How old are you? How long ago did you have the surgery done? Did you have ED issues before the surgery? How was your libido pre/post surgery? andddd How bad was your Varicocele (stage)?
Thanks in advance and thanks for the story :]
-Aaron:18:
K1212
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another few questions adding to the previous guy
was it painful before the surgery, and if so what kind of pain was it?
also where did you get it done and if you know how much it cost?
tony12345
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I'm a very young 43, the surgery was done in Dec2008. I had some ED issues from time to time, I generally take some viagra either the real stuff or the generic if I need on demand performance :^). My libido has usually been fine, pre & post surgery, provided im not crashing from a prohormone cycle. My varicocele was , in my docs words, huge. I had it since I was 17-18. It was visibly evident on my left side, which is the most common. To make matters worse for me my right side testicle was undescended as an infant, and while it was corrected via surgery at age 4, it still suffered damage and is considerably smaller than the left side. So my guess is that the right side is barely functioning, and the left side is forced to pick up the slack, but was being hampered by the variocele.
tony12345
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Before surgery it was more "discomfort" than outright pain. Sometimes slight throbbing, sometimes nothing. Due to the size and swollenness on the left side of the scrotumn, perhaps it got knocked around a bit when walking, or sitting. So I always had an awareness and could feel it,, but not sharp pain like a kick in the balls.
My operation was done in a local NYC hospital, I think the hospital billed my insurance company about $14000 including the presurgery testing and anesthsia,, and the doc/surgeon got about $2500 according to what I saw. I had to pay about $300 in fees.
tony12345
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One other thing I might add is that the worst part of the surgery is that your not allowed to eat anything 12 hours prior to surgery. So by the time you wake up from anesthesia your damm near famished, especially for someone with a lot of calorie burning muscles and large caloric requirements :^)
The nice nurses were bringing me turkey sandwiches in the recovery room :laugh:
The nice nurses were bringing me turkey sandwiches in the recovery room :laugh:
darkblue1
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fathom777,
varicoceles is not related to libido,erection etc., i have bilateral varicoceles and testicles have shrunk. But My erections are rock hard and have good libido.
Try pranic healing if you have libido problems or softer erections.
varicoceles is not related to libido,erection etc., i have bilateral varicoceles and testicles have shrunk. But My erections are rock hard and have good libido.
Try pranic healing if you have libido problems or softer erections.
Airgutter87
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Dark blue is right on the erection part >.<.. it could be psychological problem you're having, possibly due to the discomfort of the veins or just knowing that they're there. Erections correlate with how well your blood flows ;P.. Start taking Vitamin E (no more than 20ish IU) and workout or work on cardio
.. Your ED could come from many things >.< .. My Varicocele is now worse at 21 than it was at 18-19 but my erections are a lot more solid and I've learned to control myself a lot better.. Slightly due to working out/ mind exercises..teh1337lolzz
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I just noticed I had varicocele. I thought it was normal when I was young. I've had it since I was about 13, now I'm 18.
Something interesting I found out yesterday. If I lay on the ground and throw my legs above my head so just my upper back and head is on the ground, it goes away! It goes back into my body and when I stand up my testicles look 100% normal! Then they slowly drop down again. If I hold the "hole" that the varicocele is hiding in, I can keep them inside me for as long as I want. If I used tape I could probably keep them up there forever! I'm serious.
Anyone notice this in themselves? An easy way to do this is to lie on the ground next to a wall, and put your feet on the wall for support so nothing but your shoulders and head are on the ground.
Dont blame me if You do this and you damage your testicles forever. I tried this and it caused no pain, the varicocele just drops down and my testicles are how they were before.
I really hope this doesn't affect testosterone.
Edit: If you are wondering how I found this out.. I wasn't trying anything "kinky" I promise. I had to itch after a set of handstand push ups and noticed my balls felt A LOT different. ROFL
Something interesting I found out yesterday. If I lay on the ground and throw my legs above my head so just my upper back and head is on the ground, it goes away! It goes back into my body and when I stand up my testicles look 100% normal! Then they slowly drop down again. If I hold the "hole" that the varicocele is hiding in, I can keep them inside me for as long as I want. If I used tape I could probably keep them up there forever! I'm serious.
Anyone notice this in themselves? An easy way to do this is to lie on the ground next to a wall, and put your feet on the wall for support so nothing but your shoulders and head are on the ground.
Dont blame me if You do this and you damage your testicles forever. I tried this and it caused no pain, the varicocele just drops down and my testicles are how they were before.
I really hope this doesn't affect testosterone.
Edit: If you are wondering how I found this out.. I wasn't trying anything "kinky" I promise. I had to itch after a set of handstand push ups and noticed my balls felt A LOT different. ROFL
Persplagon
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I have a similar thing happen. If I lay down or get my legs higher than the rest of my body is goes away but when I stand up it comes back. I think this happens to everyone because the blood is free to flow how it should right? I've never tried to hold it inside me though.
teh1337lolzz
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Ever wonder how those pornstars grab their balls in their fists and shove them in some bitches mouth? this is impossible with varicocele. you'll kill yourself!
but if you stand on your head, you'll be able to do it momentarily when you stand up, rofl. my life is now complete.
I don't understand why I got a varicocele. it doesn't make any sense. if it affects T in any way, i'm gonna be raging pissed. i wont get surgury for it though as I feel it's unnatural. it came from natural causes so i shouldn't get rid of it, especially since there are no natural remedies
but if you stand on your head, you'll be able to do it momentarily when you stand up, rofl. my life is now complete.
I don't understand why I got a varicocele. it doesn't make any sense. if it affects T in any way, i'm gonna be raging pissed. i wont get surgury for it though as I feel it's unnatural. it came from natural causes so i shouldn't get rid of it, especially since there are no natural remedies
monsterbox
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ok well why your at it don't get your wisdom teeth removed and let them f*ck up your entire mouth if they grown forward and impacted.
I'm definitely getting surgery if my next testosterone check comes back below 500. I also have no pain, and my varicocele isn't very noticable. However the the doc said it was a stage II. I know I'm not going to live my life out the next 60+ years worrying about my testosterone being lowering than its potential.
K1212
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i am kind of the same way as far as the natural, I know it has effected my t dramatically and I know it gives me a constant uncomfortable ache but I am not sure surgery is the best bet, i have heard bad things go wrong in surgery and problems after
teh1337lolzz
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Funny that you mentioned it. I was getting my teeth checked, and they said my wisdom teeth are coming. They assumed I wanted them out. They didn't even ask me if I wanted them out. They rushed me through and scheduled an appointment.
Now I'm thinking to myself that it's all a marketing scheme. After all, they didn't even ASK if I wanted them removed. They didn't even TELL ME what would happen if I didn't. It was like clockwork for them. They suddenly turned from dentists into salesmen. "This guy has wisdom teeth, lets charge him $600."
Imagine how much money dentists make from wisdom teeth.
Maybe I'm wrong, but did God (or whatever made us if using this word makes you mad) create us so we HAD to rip out our own teeth? If I had the choice to be uncircumcised, I would. But I have the choice with my teeth and I'm happy.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I prefer to think for myself! "It's a bug-eat-bug world out there!"
As far as I can tell, the varicocele comes naturally, so I want a natural solution to the problem. I don't want them cutting into my nuts unless it's life threatening. Being naturally thin, I had low testosterone levels. Now that I'm bigger I have higher testosterone levels. I fixed that problem through natural treatment (food, exercise, and sleep) and was hoping there would be a natural treatment for varicocele, IF IT AFFECTS T.
Otherwise, I'll let nature take its course. Some of us are meant to have lower testosterone I guess. Life isn't fair.
My varicocele is pretty big imo, and it only sometimes causes a little discomfort on the left side of my stomach. When I'm driving I kinda need to have one hand bracing my stomach as it feels like I have a little blue balls. But it only gives me discomfort while I think about it. I asked a doctor friend if it affects testosterone and he said he's not sure. He asked me if it gives me discomfort, and I told him "it only gives me discomfort when I worry that it's lowering my testosterone!"
teh1337lolzz
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Also, how can you be sure that the varicocele is causing low testosterone and not something else? I think I have high testosterone (just by energy and frequent erections), but when I heard about varicocele I was thinking if I could have EVEN HIGHER test. Ever since I was the little holocaust-survivor looking kid I have been obsessed with upping and upping my T :burnout:
Airgutter87
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That's good you worked on your T but the whole natural deal you got going on in your head should leave for the most part. If you get cancer naturally, should you let nature take its course. Since toothpaste and toothbrushes are not natural should we brush our teeth? Surgery/Medicine is a great thing.. sure complications are never good but MOST Varicocele surgeries DO come out positive. I'm a firm believer in not letting nature take its course, I want control of my body and life :]. As for the stand up deal I wouldn't recommend anyone try the holding the veins into your body or taping it deal. It's cool that it disappears for a second because the pooled blood is pooling out of the sack -_- but you could cause testicular torsion if u intertwine the veins :/ :scared:.. and no one wants to lose a testicle
.. You might feel like ":rippedhand:" from what doctors and dentists tell (i have too more than once) but for the most part it's usually for the better >.<.. and I'm not saying there aren't docs out there trying to rip you but usually when they seem like they are trying to rip you it's because they're trying to fix something that will pose as a problem later on (but doesn't seem like it needs fixing or change at the time)
Airgutter87
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Yeah a Varicocele definitely does not increase testosterone levels.. Also T level doesnt help the holocaust-survivor look unless you're pumping some iron and eating a lot
.. hahatony12345
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Varioceles are caused by defective valves in the vein, which normally prevent backward bloodflow. They most commonly occur on the left side, as the drainage on the left side is a longer route, and happens to drain into the renal veins(kidney). There are no natural cures to a variocele. The defective vein needs to be removed. Other veins that drain the testicle will take over and make up for the one that is removed.
Without the valves working properly, the blood pools in the vein, raising temperatures in the scrotum. High temperatures can stunt your testicles, resulting in lower T levels. It will also damage sperm production, reducing count, motility, and morphism. The damage can be progressive & irreversible with time. It has also been suggested that toxins from the renal system can backflow and cause further damage to the testicle.
As a side note, your doctor may not be able to justify the operation to your insurance company unless the lab report shows either low T level or low sperm count.
While we are on the discussion, I believe boxers are better to keep your balls at a lower temperature for optimal T production. Tighty whities prevent air circulation and keep them closer to your body, keeping your balls at a temperature they weren't designed for. Who ever designed briefs??
darkblue1
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Yeah a Varicocele definitely does not increase testosterone levels.. Also T level doesnt help the holocaust-survivor look unless you're pumping some iron and eating a lot
Higher energy levels and stronger ewrections -> Does it mean high testosterone?
Airgutter87
New member
It can mean you have an adequate amount of testosterone.. doesn't necessarily mean it's a high level -_-.. You can still have the two you mentioned with lower testosterone >.<.. depends on the individual. Not sure how this correlates with what you quoted me on for the reply =o?
darkblue1
Member
If high energy levels and strong erections = low testosterone or high testosterone
then
what are the symptoms of low testosterone
Airgutter87
New member
• Low sex drive and impotence - as he ages, the man will have less interest in sex, he will have sex less frequently and sex is less enjoyable for a male experiencing lower testosterone symptoms.
Sexual frequency averages 3-4 times a week for the typical man in his twenties, declines to once a week or so in his fifties and to 1-2 times a month in his late seventies.
Along with low sex drive, impotence increases with age and the related lower testosterone levels. Nearly 10% of males over 50 and 40% of males over 70 have impotence problems.
It is also now known that low testosterone symptoms include:
• Fatigue - another of the symptoms of testosterone that is too low is having less energy, constantly feeling tired and run down. Doing a physical activity takes longer with considerably more effort.
If the man is participating in sports, his recovery time takes longer after working out. Because of the general feeling of malise, he may stop working out altogether which can result in even poorer health and lower energy levels.
• Loss of lean muscle - a male that is sedentary will lose about 10% of his muscle each decade. In other words, by the age of 60, a sedentary male will have lost up to 40% of his lean muscle.
The fat burning capacity of muscle is good - 5 extra pounds of muscle will burn calories equivalent to 10-12 pounds of fat per year. On the other hand, as muscle is lost, less muscle and calories are used each day by the man's body which adds to the likelihood of weight gain in the form of fat.
• Fat accumulation - the male mid-life increase in body fat and body weight tends to accumulate around the man's middle section, another of the low testosterone symptoms. As a male gains weight, he has more of himself to carry around with less muscle to accomplish it, leading to more easily experiencing fatigue and general low energy.
• Increased risk of osteoporosis and bone fractures - a man begins to lose bone mass considerably later in life than a woman on the average. By the time a man reaches his late 60's or early 70's, he's likely caught up with the bone loss experienced by a woman of the same age.
30% of all bone fractures happen to men. When men over 75 suffer a hip fracture, 30% will not survive one year, compared to a 9% mortality rate for women. Low testosterone levels in elderly men are a good predictor of poor bone density test scores and bone loss.
• Increased risk of cardiovascular disease - more and more clinical studies are supporting the conclusion the healthy testosterone levels are necessary for good heart health and avoiding low testosterone symptoms. As testosterone levels decrease , the following are known to occur:
- higher blood pressure levels that can increase heart attack risks
- higher cholesterol and triglycerides levels which lead to higher arterial plaque levels
- dialation of coronary arteries and other major arteries decreases that increases heart attack risk
- increased fibrinogen levels which increases the likelihood of a blood clot blocking a major artery will result in a heart attack
Low testosterone symptoms can be effectively dealt with by correcting low testosterone and related hormones along with certain lifestyle modifications.
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)-Aaron
darkblue1
Member
But you mentioned that
You can still have the two you mentioned with lower testosterone
the two - high energy levels and strong erections.
If we have these two then a person cannot have low testosterone.Right?
Airgutter87
New member
Having high energy levels and strong erections does NOT neccessarily mean you CANNOT have low testosterone.. They correlate together but there are also other factors that play into those two. You can have low energy levels and crappy erections with normal T levels.
monsterbox
Well-known member
well I'm waiting for my next blood test and an ultrasound.
I'm suprised that my latest showed 368 total (3 weeks ago). because now I feel good, good gains in the gym, and very decent sex drive as usual. I want to make sure this varicocele is not a mis-diagnosis, because I dont have any pain. Also want to make sure its not bilateral.
1. Right Side - When I feel my testicles, right below my penis, I can feel a single thick cord on the Right side that travels pretty much straight from my penis down and has a slight S-curve/wiggle before attaching to my Right Testicle. I can easily feel it with my finger but its not visible and doesn't swell when I cough.
2.Left-Side - Same exact chord like the right side except it seems Twice as long and has a few sharper S-Curves that cause it to show out of the skin of the testicle. Same thickness, doesn't hurt when pinched, its just longer/squigglier and visible. Left testicle hangs alot lower but never feels hotter, however its not quite as large as the right.
Confusion - I thought a varicocele was a "mass"/Bag of Worms. Meaning multiple veins? I just feel each spermatic chord and one just seems alot longer and more bunched up.
I'm suprised that my latest showed 368 total (3 weeks ago). because now I feel good, good gains in the gym, and very decent sex drive as usual. I want to make sure this varicocele is not a mis-diagnosis, because I dont have any pain. Also want to make sure its not bilateral.
1. Right Side - When I feel my testicles, right below my penis, I can feel a single thick cord on the Right side that travels pretty much straight from my penis down and has a slight S-curve/wiggle before attaching to my Right Testicle. I can easily feel it with my finger but its not visible and doesn't swell when I cough.
2.Left-Side - Same exact chord like the right side except it seems Twice as long and has a few sharper S-Curves that cause it to show out of the skin of the testicle. Same thickness, doesn't hurt when pinched, its just longer/squigglier and visible. Left testicle hangs alot lower but never feels hotter, however its not quite as large as the right.
Confusion - I thought a varicocele was a "mass"/Bag of Worms. Meaning multiple veins? I just feel each spermatic chord and one just seems alot longer and more bunched up.
djawol
New member
Not necessarily, mine was pretty much as you describe, and it's now noticeable that it was one vein as it's hardened and shrunk where the blood has clotted in it.
dj