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Promagnon 25 log

When you roll to face down at night and the pain wakes you up, you'll know it's NOT psychological.

Itchyness and a little bit of tenderness is not much to worry about IMO. Stuff like powerful or anything with mucana (gh boosters) can really help with that. Same goes with tyrosine, SamE, and B6. Add in a real low dose AI and you should have a good OTC prevention stack.

It's tough to predict which designers instigate prolactin or estrogen because there's just not bloodwork available. Theoretically, p25 shouldn't really be a problem for either of those issues.
 
Tits and a touch of Tris

celc, good call on the SamE, i was going to pick some up a while back for the cycle but just never got around to it, have some tyrosine on hand as well...im on the :salook: for any signs of gyno and am ready to wage war if i have to protect my breats :lmao:

but anyway, solid chest workout today, cant lie, didnt feel like it would turn out great but it was good

Flat BB Bench:
315x4
325x2 (first rep was clean and i touched my chest with all reps, but the 2nd i needed a slight spot)
- i usually dont do/am not a fan of doing a set of anything for under than 4 reps but, i dno...i really want to push myself to the utmost max to feel confident handling 3 plates for reps eventually
Incline DB Press:
nothing unusual, powered through 100s on last 2 sets for reps
Decline Smith:
bc my actual decline is a POS, had to do this
Incline DB Flyes:
- went heavy and felt good

then, i figured while im on cycle i might as well try the 2 time a week for lacking bodyparts due to improved recovery, did 2 high-volume exercises for tris

- so strength: thank u promagnon, u make me feel like a god, at least to my standards...nah that sounds real douche, but seriously guys, its the real deal
- pump- today was the most ridiculous yet, when i went to the lockeroom for a weigh in my chest honestly looked/felt as if it were pumped with synthol :biglaugh:

i want to hit back tommorow, but my neck feels just terrible for some reason, i must have lifted my head doing decline or something, random back spasms too...pretty sure theyre not back pumps...well see

- thanks for following up
 
update

weighed in at about 200 this morning, initially some would be discouraged by that weight drop but, im a little over 2 weeks in and bf is really dropping fast, my ab work has not been nothing out of the ordinary since on cycle and cardio is about the same as well, but you can nearly see the full pack- never like ive seen before either, the seperations and defiition is ridic, for my standards at least...its definately been a loss of bodyfat and noticeable gains in muscle for certain areas

vascularity is starting to creep everywhere...chest and back are really coming in thick and really serated as well, starting to see very detailed striations on the delts

took yesterday off, but will be hitting back hard today...i would love to do a few reps of 5 plates on deadlift but thats a stretch, i might try to go for 455 for higher reps instead...usually i hit 4-5 reps on my last set with that weight, legs are still feeling sore as sh!t though so we'll see how this goes
 
lol nice workout bro. Yeah you are right about the weight gain, this compound is definately a recomp compound for sure, more so than epi I would say.
 
17amethyl said:
weighed in at about 200 this morning, initially some would be discouraged by that weight drop but, im a little over 2 weeks in and bf is really dropping fast, my ab work has not been nothing out of the ordinary since on cycle and cardio is about the same as well, but you can nearly see the full pack- never like ive seen before either, the seperations and defiition is ridic, for my standards at least...its definately been a loss of bodyfat and noticeable gains in muscle for certain areas

vascularity is starting to creep everywhere...chest and back are really coming in thick and really serated as well, starting to see very detailed striations on the delts

took yesterday off, but will be hitting back hard today...i would love to do a few reps of 5 plates on deadlift but thats a stretch, i might try to go for 455 for higher reps instead...usually i hit 4-5 reps on my last set with that weight, legs are still feeling sore as sh!t though so we'll see how this goes
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Keep up the great work! We're watching!:bruce3:
 
Back...ouch

lesson learned: dont skip warmup sets for deadlifts
- usually do 3 warmup sets for deads, but lately ive been wondering if i waste too much energy on warmups and not enough power for working sets, so i skipped 2 warmups today...didnt feel too good,

Deadlifts:
nothing unusual, 455x4 reps
Reverse Grip Barbell Rows:
- came to the realization that i might have pulled something with deads or i just had a terrible back pump, it was very difficult to bare the pain for 3 lighter than usual sets
Reverse Grip Lat Pulldowns:
- racked the weight, was happy about that after poor performance on bb rows
Seated Parallel Grip Rows
DB Rows

-->brief cardio on bike

- alright so, todays workout started out pretty bad, i guess it wasnt too "bad" considering i did the weight i normally do on deadlifts, but i guess i just went in with higher expectations and really didnt respect the weight, lesson learned
- regardless, the pump was still ridiculous, and vascularity was showing good too as usual...incredible lat pump and my forearms were thick and veiny as fck by the end
- not sure if what i experienced today was a side effect of a "back pump" or just the result of me rushing and being stupid, possibly a combo of the both, either way i never want to feel it again lol
- so shoulders/traps tommorow, but usually when i do shrugs i go heavy and im not too sure a sore back will appreciate it nor will i be able to give 100%...might take off, lets see how i feel in the morning
 
How's libido?
Any irritability or sleep issues?
What day are you on?

Keep on rockin! Nice log :afro:
 
thanks celc,
libido is still going strong, at times its through the roof, other times just normal...but no definite lethargy as of yet, knock on wood
sleep is going fine, ive picked a good dosing scheme:
wake up usually 8-9am: 25 mg
2pm: 25 mg
6 pm: 25 mg
- the last two arn't spaced your typical 6 or so hours apart but, any later than 6 i feel i would be risking sleep issues and at least this way im gettin a dose each for pre and post workout which should maximize absorption, and pre workout leads to an insane pump while lifting
and today would be day 19, so just under 3 weeks, so far loving it, looking my best...but my back is just in shambles at the moment
 
Based on timeframe, I bet you'll gain a few pounds in the next few days even if the leaning continues. Same will happen in week 4. I usually hit a wall around day 30 in my cycle, but others frequently continue to make gains during a 5th week especially with p25.

The recomp effect of halo and p25 is real nice. Let's say you end up with +3 or 4 overall bodyweight, it's probably more like +5 or 6 in overall lean mass... a lot of people don't consider that they lost 3 or 4 pounds of fat during the cycle.
 
Shoulders/Traps

agreed, i dont really care so much about the scale than i do about the numbers im putting up and how i look, and i feel/look great and my numbers are going up steadily

even with a tweeked back, did pretty solid today

BB Shrugs:
- nothing unusual, didnt bother going past 4 plates since my back feels like tits, but did higher volume and it felt great
BB Shoulder Press:
225x5 for two last sets
-->super with btn shoulder press for my last 2 drop sets
Db Lateral Raises:
- cranking out 40s for the last 2 sets for 10 reps each, i mean the wieght is nothing particularly new, i usually use 35s but i think this is the first time ive dont laterals this clean with that weight
Front Raises on Pulley:
-50s for 12 reps, clean, usually jerk a little with this weight and lower reps
Reverse Flyes on Pec Dec:
160x10

-the pump was nuts- seriously, anybody reading this and debating trying pm25 for the first time...it will make any no/creatine products seem like a joke after uve tried this, not to mention, ive not been this satisfied with the type of pump i get on magnon regarding anything hormonal with exceptions to maybe dbol, but since theres no bloat and i dont look like a baloon, i prefer this....vascularity and definition are looking/coming in great
- strength, didnt really push my limit in this department, i wanted to go for 5plates and a quarter on shrugs, maybe 6, but with my back i just didnt want to bother...i have my goal in mind for next week though

-so i figured i would mention, i usually have a solid water intake, but on cycle i make sure to drink more fluids and particularly around the time i take my dosages...but, i have just been pissing an abnormally frequent amount of times throughout the day, almost every half hour-hour and waking up multiple times at night, just mentioning, im not too worried but just catious of prostate issues
 
p25 is "supposed" to be "slightly" androgenic. So, it's possible that it's affecting your prostate. Do you have any prostate precautionaries in your support plan? Most swear by saw palmetto. I personally think it does nothing for me while on cycle, and the constant pissing usually wears off during pct at some point :shrugs:

Btw, lots of quotes in the first sentence because it's all broski talk that suggests slight androgenicity of p25. Who really knows if it's even different than halo or if it was just a misprint on the p25 label :lol: I've never seen anyone actually test it to confirm that it was a different compound.
 
Arms

haha, true that bruhani, im sure everything is fine, was at the gym today though and i went into the trainer's room, saw a blood pressure machine thing, so i gave it a shot by myself...one was high the other was fine i think it was like 160/60...then again, this was not too long after lifting, im just going to meet up with my doctor for a routine checkup anyhow sometime soon

other than that, today went pretty dam well ill say

BB Curls:
135x6 last set and these were clean, no swinging or jerking...usually im doing some jerking even with 10lbs less, today 135 felt pretty dam comfortable, happy about that
Hammer Curls:
- super with reverse curls
EV Bar Concentration Curls on preacher:
- super with dbell concen. curl

Close Grip on Smith:
315x5
DB Skull Crushes:
130x10
V-grip Triceps PD on pulley
Rope PD

- basic forearm work

- so this morning i weighed in at 204...was a little skeptical so i dropped a mean beast and then weighed in at 203...thats great man if the wiegh holds, 8lbs+ so far and looking leaner than i did before
- today i defintely noticed an increase in strength and endurance as well, taking a well deserved day off tommorow
 
I've always wondered if the p25 label was a misprint. Then again clostebal and turinobol (p25 and halo conversions respetively) are similarly effective with different overall profiles So the THEORY is pretty solid I guess.

Plus 8 with leaning effect. Nicely done, your diet is probably spot on in that case. Blows epithios and phera 2 enss right out of the water IMO.
 
celc5 said:
I've always wondered if the p25 label was a misprint. Then again clostebal and turinobol (p25 and halo conversions respetively) are similarly effective with different overall profiles So the THEORY is pretty solid I guess.

Plus 8 with leaning effect. Nicely done, your diet is probably spot on in that case. Blows epithios and phera 2 enss right out of the water IMO.
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yeah true, its pretty "coincidental" how the 2 compounds appear structurally very similair, yield similar effects, and that pm25 came out roughly after the time halodrol50 was discontinued from what i remember, or maybe im just making things up

but thanks partna, im loving it so far, loving that sides are to a minimum, and hoping progress will continue to go up
 
Legs

solid workout, was worried the still somewhat tweaked back would affect my squats, and after my 1st warmup set i felt it would too, but it didnt become an issue once i began my working sets

Squats:
warmups:135x10, 225x10
working sets: 275x10, 315x10 :rant:, 365x4
drop sets: 275x8, 225x10
Hack squat machine super with leg press machine:
- racked both with ease, for higher reps
Leg Extensions:
- racked it at 260 for 8 reps, after 4 working sets for 10-15 reps
Calf Extensions on 2 seperate machines, superset
Hamstring Curls

- have a question for u guys, im really pleased with my performance on squats today, but i think its possible im wasting too much energy on the lighter sets and warmups...the 365 didnt feel "heavy" today, and im glad i squeezed out 1 more rep than i usually do, but should i be starting with heavier working sets for lower reps, therefore getting right into the heavier weight with more energy?
- anyhow, pump/vascularity was great, seing more veins on my quads than usual, especially as i push into higher rep range on quad exercises
- thus far, still no sides :scared: which is amazing, ive been looking around and it seems there are more people than i suspected running this compound at 100mg...i dont want to be greedy, esp with the good progress already made, and its usually the case with ph thats higher dose results in diminishing yeilds but, i guess ill just see what your thoughts are on this
 
Very nice! For legs I like to do really heavy and mid reps. Since I do alot of running, its alot harder for me to keep mass. I 100% agree with the low sides, its almost non-existent. You can run it at 100mg if you choose to, but personally I'd stay at 75mg all the way through. More doesnt always mean better, but than again everyone react differently.
 
My 2 cents

-don't decide to skimp on the warm up sets, especially since you already suspect that you've "tweaked" your back a bit. That's a bit of aggression kicking in cause you wanna lift heavy asss weight and it's clouding your better judgement.

-use the mirror and your gut feeling regarding dosage. If you feel you've reach a plateau with getting stronger, gaining mass, and looking better, that's the time to contemplate dosage increase. It's not a contest to see who can brag about highest dosages. The contest is maximal gains with the easiest physical and psychological recovery. Again that's why people choose p25, halo, and epithios... easy recovery.
 
Big3upgrade said:
Very nice! For legs I like to do really heavy and mid reps. Since I do alot of running, its alot harder for me to keep mass. I 100% agree with the low sides, its almost non-existent. You can run it at 100mg if you choose to, but personally I'd stay at 75mg all the way through. More doesnt always mean better, but than again everyone react differently.
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celc5 said:
My 2 cents

-don't decide to skimp on the warm up sets, especially since you already suspect that you've "tweaked" your back a bit. That's a bit of aggression kicking in cause you wanna lift heavy asss weight and it's clouding your better judgement.

-use the mirror and your gut feeling regarding dosage. If you feel you've reach a plateau with getting stronger, gaining mass, and looking better, that's the time to contemplate dosage increase. It's not a contest to see who can brag about highest dosages. The contest is maximal gains with the easiest physical and psychological recovery. Again that's why people choose p25, halo, and epithios... easy recovery.
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thanks guys, some good advice...at this point the gains are still coming well and steady, if i start to hit a wall within a week or so, ill consider upping the dose...after thinking about it though, this would also mean a shorter cycle and i think id prefer the longer, slightly lower dosed cycle which i think would yield more gains than to kick up the dose only to end it not long after and with the risk of sides

so far on day 21, the end of week 3 exactly, looking foward to some chest tommorow, ill do a weigh in first thing in the morning
- so far really enjoying the results, up about 8lbs...those considering to take it- its not your superdrol cycle where one can slap on 20lbs in 3 weeks but, weight is up and whatever weight it is- is very clean...with minimal sides and solid strength gains
- looking leaner and more defined, but also putting on dense & solid muscle in certain areas: chest, triceps, traps, & calves are noticeably bigger and not just more profound due to a drop in bf
- sides: nothing unbearable, at most occasional headaches...infrequent and brief back/calf pumps...lethargy isn't an issue, at times i feel unmotivated to hit the gym, but i attribute that to the shitty/constantly changing weather
 
celc5 said:
My 2 cents

-don't decide to skimp on the warm up sets, especially since you already suspect that you've "tweaked" your back a bit. That's a bit of aggression kicking in cause you wanna lift heavy asss weight and it's clouding your better judgement.

-use the mirror and your gut feeling regarding dosage. If you feel you've reach a plateau with getting stronger, gaining mass, and looking better, that's the time to contemplate dosage increase. It's not a contest to see who can brag about highest dosages. The contest is maximal gains with the easiest physical and psychological recovery. Again that's why people choose p25, halo, and epithios... easy recovery.
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I agree. Don't make the same mistake I made and minimize the importance of warming up properly; that's why my shoulder is fcked up now. Remember, it's not about NUMBERS; it's about how you look. Your ego can get you hurt. There's no sense in having the supps if you can't train due to injury.
 
Chest/Tris/Abs

great lift :bandit:

BB Flat Bench:
- 275x10, never did 10 reps with 275 before
-315x4, 315x3
Incline BB
Incline DB Press
Incline DB Flyes:
- 65s for 10

Tricep Rope Pushdown
Tricep Extension Machine:
- racked it, never did that before with this machine
-since im doing tri's twice a week, im not going insane with exercises and sets on this "secondary" day...made sure to at least get a good pump and work until failure on the last set of each exercise

--> some basic ab work

- so im extremely pleased with the strength/muscular endurance gains, cant say that im making insane jumps in strength each week, but im handling more weight than i have ever been able to before and with higher frequency...before the cycle, 315 was something i might be able to get 1 clean rep on an extremely good day, now i feel very comofortable with the weight and can handle it on a regular basis...confident that ill be able to keep it as well even after pct

- looking thick as hell, and veiny as f#ck...just feeling a little bloated lately, im pretty sure thats due to my diet: have been taking in more carbs then usual, esp post workout...have to keep the majority pre-workout and trim them down overall

- forgot to do a weigh in, but will try to remember to do so tommorow morning, just for the hell of it, i weigh 207 right now

- tommorow is back, i think ill leave :dl: out this week, give my back a break...its feels to be back to 90% with just minor infrequent pains/stiffness, ill do some good mornings instead to hit the lower back in a more safe/controlled fashion
 
ill also mention that since the cycle started, stretch marks from the corner of my shoulder/chest area have spread onto one of my bi's and into the chest as well, and what used to be baby/scattered stretch marks on my lats are starting to expand/spread...pretty disgusting looking/annoying esp since i never realy had profound stretch marks before, but i guess its a good indicator that i must be putting on some size, rather quickly

- im suprised i also havn't mentioned this but my nuts are :burnout:
they're pretty much not theyre fun ol hangin selves nemore if ya catch my drift, look as if theyve come out of a cold shower for most of the day :laugh:
-anyhow, the nuts thing is nothing new, with a good pct: all will go back to normal and despite the retreating marbles, there is no issues of shutdown or lethargy that are intolerable/noticeable
 
Back...lil bit'o'bis

Day 23...weight 204, so up a solid 9 lbs and leaner than i was at 195...those new to the log, the weight gains often fluctuate though as it seems you are consistently losing bf while adding lbm

-Left :dl: out for this week, give my lowerback a chance to fully recover
Underhand Pullups
Reverse Grip Barbell Rows:
-315x10, usually hit 6 reps at max, and as i go higher i tend to do a little hitching, today was clean though...lower back started to hurt again on the heavier sets so i didnt up the weight
Reverse Grip Lat PD:
- still racking it at 250 for 6-8 reps which is entirely new for me until this cycle, no jerking either, clean pulls
- super w/ btn lat pd
Seated V-Grip Rows
Good-Mornings:
- went light and controlled so as to stretch/strengthen the lower back rather than to agitate it even more

Isolated DB Curls
Hammer Curl w/ rope on pulley

- lately i have been hitting some body parts twice a week, something i would normally never do, but i think it was celc who made this point that the recovery you get on this compound, as u would most comparable/stronger hormones, really allows u to hit target muscles twice a week with no problem, and im a huge fan
- pump was absolutely ridiculous, i say it almost every other workout but im serious when i say that my vascularity is visually improving on a constant basis, complements of the drop in bf coupled with lbm gains
- strength, ive really said enough, im consistently able to hit new pr's, though gradually and nothing jawdropping, these pr's have been maintained or improved upon in either weight or rep each week
- visually, i look the best i ever have, broader frame and thicker/more defined upper-shelf, getting back my tighter waistline, thicker arms...legs have become more defined, not necessarily "bigger" with the exception of my calves which have put on some decent size considering they looked like tiny nutsacks :laugh:
 
Delts Traps & Calves

BB Shrugs:
-495x6, not a record in terms of weight or reps, but the form was the best its ever been
BB Shoulder Press:
- 225x6, soo happy about that, i was determined to hit 6 reps today, had 2 dig real deep but they were clean
BTN Standing Mil. Press
DB Laterals Raises, w/ drop set each set
DB Front Raises, super w/ laying front delt raises
Rear Delt Flyes

Calf Raises

- stength & pump were excellent, looking thick as fck, im curious to see what my weight is, ill have 2 do a weigh in tommorow morning
- so for the first time i actually look like a person at a solid 200lbs, i mean, one could easily look at me and guess my weight but, the reason i say this is bc the accumulated fat in certain areas is really thinning out and muscle definition is looking great :bandit:

- alright, today ill officially say that this constant drowsiness is becoming noticable; libido is down- not crushed but alot lower than usual, but shutdown is nowhere near as bad as compared to other compounds like pplex/superdrol etc
- not a big fan of dhea to revive libido, particularly bc im already overtly catious about aromatization and if i recall, dhea coverts its fare share to estrogen, but it might be a likely option since theres a few weeks left, what do u guys think, see it out a few more days then begin dosing?
 
My libido is going down too. If you want something that is safe, try loading up on maca. I am not a fan of adding DHEA either.
 
You seem like you're not into stims, or at least not throughout this cycle. So, a real nice non-stim combo to combat lethargy would be 200-400mg SamE + 500-1000mg tyrosine.

Added bonus, both have some anti-prolactin properties. However, there is a broski controversy that SamE MIGHT impair methyl absorption while it protects the liver. I personally like SamE in pct rather than on cycle, but I could be convinced to throw it on cycle too probably.

If you want just a light stim, try out Lipotrophan AM. Another one with a mucana ingredient for anti-prolactin and super mild stim.

Libido enhancing combos and preferences are all over the place. Ejaculoid by Goliath is probably my fav prop blend. But you could mix up some cheap trib and hgw too if that works for you. Or... get your hands on some formestane :head:
 
Arms

the lethargy killed my motivation to lift today...but, i made it there

BB Curls:
- my last 2 sets hit 135x4, not exactly an improvement, but very content
Isolated DB curls
EZ-Bar Preacher Curls
Rope Hammer Curls

Close-Grip on Smith:
335x3
Laying French Curls
Tricep PD on Pulley
Reverse Grip PD super w/ Tricep Extn. machine

- then hit forearms & basic ab work

- so today's lift was somewhat shitty, i started getting focused somwhere in the middle of bi's, then there was just no drive there in...really dampered the workout in my opinion, i trace some of this to a poor diet today...not in terms of quality but just didnt eat enough
- regardless, vascularity was on point as usual, weighed in at 202 this morning...
 
Quads/Calves

holt shi+, this was a painful workout...
- joints are feeling like cr@p, normally i can tolerate dry compounds airing out the joints, but today & yest. its gotten pretty bad...will up the joint support from here in
- libido is still shot, ill be investing in something to take of that either 2night or the next few days

BB Squats:
- today, hit 315x10, 335x10; i figure rather than going for 365 for 3-4 reps, ill switch it up and go higher volume, either way, never hit anything over 315 for higher reps
Leg Press:
-805x10, normally i go higher in weight for fewer reps, but the joint pain in the knees was terrible so i stopped there
Hack Squat machine super w/ leg extension:
- racked both machines for 10 reps

Calf Extensions

- i was so shot/drained i didnt bother with hams, ill hit them on back day...no cardio either
- despite feeling like a wet tampon, i look great, vascularity on my legs today was ridiculous, and even with poor motivation/lethargy, strength is still coming in nicely

-reported sides: lower back & calf pumps are now daily guests, but- they really are not that bad- i can deal with that, the lethargy is the only issue right now

thanks for stopping in
 
My joints and tendons are killing me too bro. I just got a bottle of primaforce cissus, so hopefully that with my joints supps and fish oil will help. Lethargy is kicking for me too, lol I hate it. I dont know if you use fat burner or stim or what, but I usually take 2 caps of adrenalean to wake my ass up.
 
Big3upgrade said:
My joints and tendons are killing me too bro. I just got a bottle of primaforce cissus, so hopefully that with my joints supps and fish oil will help. Lethargy is kicking for me too, lol I hate it. I dont know if you use fat burner or stim or what, but I usually take 2 caps of adrenalean to wake my ass up.
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yeah, i havnt been using stims, but i have some lipo 6 left over which should last me through the rest of the cycle...i may start that up tommorow
 
I hit a wall right around the start of week 4 of most of my cycles. During my phera log, someone was like "take a day off brotha." I took 2 days off, and came back with a real productive week 4 after I thought the cycle was pretty much done.

Also, you're not accustomed to the twice/wk lifts so you might need a little break for a day or 2. Then go back to your previous volume for the rest of the cycle to stay productive.
 
good call celc

celc5 said:
I hit a wall right around the start of week 4 of most of my cycles. During my phera log, someone was like "take a day off brotha." I took 2 days off, and came back with a real productive week 4 after I thought the cycle was pretty much done.

Also, you're not accustomed to the twice/wk lifts so you might need a little break for a day or 2. Then go back to your previous volume for the rest of the cycle to stay productive.
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i was thinking the same, just feeling a little spent lately could even be my ego causing overtraining, good advice...took today off and will rest tommorow as well
 
17amethyl said:
i was thinking the same, just feeling a little spent lately could even be my ego causing overtraining, good advice...took today off and will rest tommorow as well
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Please let us know how that works out for you. Are you still going to be taking the Promagnon?
 
ex-tightend83 said:
Please let us know how that works out for you. Are you still going to be taking the Promagnon?
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Well he's sort of playing it by ear. For me, I took the 2 days off from lifting (not from taking the compound though). With phera, I ended up going for another 2 weeks. With SD, I cut the cycle short right there cause I was still feeling like shiit. You just weigh your pros and cons and evaluate if your lifts are being productive or not.
 
That's what I figured. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
so today is my day off, i honestly feel "improved" in just today of total rest, eating real well; i have a generous stash of generic vitamins & minerals i order on the regular and ive used this time released vitamin b-complex for the past 2 days throughout the day and it seems to provide an increased & steady flow of energy

it's been a while since i've used stims, a staple and key component of my favorite non-hormonal stack used to be Animal Pump, which I've accumulated numerous "red pills" that I've taken out and set aside on rest days...I remember those red pills were fire & always gave me the boost of energy needed to hit the weights after a long day of work, so i might make use of them

i'm thinking more along the lines of using this bottle of Lipo6 i've had sitting around, i like the yohimbine it has in it and the consistent flow of energy it provides throughout the day, but im debating if the pm25 & lipo6 combo wouldnt be the best option in terms of respecting my likely elevated blood pressure

anyhow, I'll use one of the 2 stims I have on hand for pre-workout...continue running the additional B vitamin supp, as well as upping the Flax/Fish/Joint-Support Complex I have for joints/cholest all that stuff

ordered the SamE btw, looks like a solid product & figured even if i dont need it- good to have around for future cycles...meantime, if lethargy keeps kicking me to the curb i'll run the dhea to get things cracking :laugh:
like i said, really not a fan, but dhea has worked its charm for experienced friends of mine that had bad shutdown on heavier cycles & see some decent feedback to aid in a libido boost on the AM threads

all in time though, ill see how i feel, will encourage myself to take tommorow off too just so im 100% and accumulate anxiousness to get back in the gym wednesday & hit it hard
 
ex-tightend83 said:
That's what I figured. Thanks for clearing that up.
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yeah, celc hit the point...i really like this compound, and even though this is the 2nd time around, it still doesnt dissapoint

these rocks in the road have made me a little discouraged, but i havnt given up yet, im going to work a few options & see how my body responds before i call it quits

will keep you updated for sure...btw followed ur log when u ran it a while back, solid results, hit that pr on incline yet?
 
17amethyl said:
yeah, celc hit the point...i really like this compound, and even though this is the 2nd time around, it still doesnt dissapoint

these rocks in the road have made me a little discouraged, but i havnt given up yet, im going to work a few options & see how my body responds before i call it quits

will keep you updated for sure...btw followed ur log when u ran it a while back, solid results, hit that pr on incline yet?
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How many days are you in the cycle? I am not a fan of using stims either, I've been off stim for 2 months now, but when times like this, it really help with the lethargy.
 
Day 29

Big3upgrade said:
How many days are you in the cycle? I am not a fan of using stims either, I've been off stim for 2 months now, but when times like this, it really help with the lethargy.
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im on day 29, which is the first day of week 5 exactly...so 13 days left,
depending on if there is an improvement in lethargy and if i feel my performance in the gym plateaus, i'll decide if ill bump it up to 100mgs which will give me about 2 weeks at the higher dose...

not going to let my ego make the decisions, monitoring how i felt/feel yest, today, tommorow, and longer if need be before i make the decision

so far, if i were to end the cycle today, i wouldnt be dissapointed at all
my specific starting goals were the following:
deadlift: 505x1 (used to be 495x1; only a 10lb+, but as the wieght gets heavier on dl, that really makes a diff to me, scared to push it too much)
flat bench: 315x4 (used to be 295x1)
squat: 405x1 (used to be 315x4: now is 365x4)
bb shoulder press: 225x4 (used to be 205x4)
leg press: 1075x4
bb row: 365x4 (used to be 315x4)
-and so i've accomplished 3 of the 6, most of which were about 20lbs increases, the only one i see as a long shot being the squat pr...so definately pleased thus far
 
17amethyl said:
im on day 29, which is the first day of week 5 exactly...so 13 days left,
depending on if there is an improvement in lethargy and if i feel my performance in the gym plateaus, i'll decide if ill bump it up to 100mgs which will give me about 2 weeks at the higher dose...

not going to let my ego make the decisions, monitoring how i felt/feel yest, today, tommorow, and longer if need be before i make the decision

so far, if i were to end the cycle today, i wouldnt be dissapointed at all
my specific starting goals were the following:
deadlift: 505x1 (used to be 495x1; only a 10lb+, but as the wieght gets heavier on dl, that really makes a diff to me, scared to push it too much)
flat bench: 315x4 (used to be 295x1)
squat: 405x1 (used to be 315x4: now is 365x4)
bb shoulder press: 225x4 (used to be 205x4)
leg press: 1075x4
bb row: 365x4 (used to be 315x4)
-and so i've accomplished 3 of the 6, most of which were about 20lbs increases, the only one i see as a long shot being the squat pr...so definately pleased thus far
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I'd say thats a great improvement considering how mild in the side effect department this compound is. I'd say bump it up to 100mg in the last 2 weeks, if sides get worst you can always bump it down.
 
Tits n touch o tri's

-feeling great, those 2 days off, increase in b vitamins and use of a mild stim really went the distance, threw in some additional carbs throughout the day by snacking on almonds & oats...so those on the fence, don't be too deterred by the onset of lethargy, and honestly today im feeling that same level of euphoria i did when i first started the cycle, poppin chubbies all day too so libido is making a reappearance, suddenly? i am really suprised about this turn-around
- joints are still somewhat achey, but definately improved...the joint support supps take some time to saturate & lubricate the joints, and my c:laugh:ck, sorry i had to lol

Flat BB Bench:
2(315x4)...so a slight improvement
Incline DB Press:
100sx12, cant wait to use the gym at home over break bc the gym here sucks, db's only go up to 100 and they are overtly big for no reason which makes balancing a bi+ch, 100s here are equal size to 75s at my gym to give you an idea, housed the 100s pretty well so looking to try 110s-120s
Incline Smith Bench:
245x8
- super w/ Flat DB Flyes

-spent the remainder of the workout doing weighted-deep pushups, put 2 benches side by side and went past chest with a plate on my back...should help with flat bench
- some dips were done as well

- pump: ridiculous, it never gets old
- really feeling/looking leaner in select areas, fat shedding off thighs and waist as the lbm fills in- looking and feeling great
 
Hell ya brotha! Well executed adjustments. I like the slight change in routine too. For my next cycle, I plan to set up a split where I hit all bodyparts 3 times per week for the first 2 weeks, then twice per week for the 3rd week, and once per week for most bodyparts for the 4th and 5th week. That way I can have some rest days scheduled in at the end of week 3 and week 4 to avoid the overtraining cycle crash.
 
celc5 said:
Hell ya brotha! Well executed adjustments. I like the slight change in routine too. For my next cycle, I plan to set up a split where I hit all bodyparts 3 times per week for the first 2 weeks, then twice per week for the 3rd week, and once per week for most bodyparts for the 4th and 5th week. That way I can have some rest days scheduled in at the end of week 3 and week 4 to avoid the overtraining cycle crash.
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thanks bossman, as minor as the adjustments were they really had a big effect & def. worthwhile...that split idea u mention is actually a really good idea, absorbing the early-benefits of the cycle by hitting bp multiple times a week, then tapering down the volume so as to allow the compound's accelerated recovery to kick in will really let you slam the weights in those last few weeks...thats just well thought out...good stuff

despite feeling somewhat tired from staying up late doing work last night....libido & aggressiveness are probably the best thus far through the cycle...i hope this carries over into the rest of the day & into the workout

hitting back later...
 
celc5 said:
Hell ya brotha! Well executed adjustments. I like the slight change in routine too. For my next cycle, I plan to set up a split where I hit all bodyparts 3 times per week for the first 2 weeks, then twice per week for the 3rd week, and once per week for most bodyparts for the 4th and 5th week. That way I can have some rest days scheduled in at the end of week 3 and week 4 to avoid the overtraining cycle crash.
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Would you be so kind as to send me that routine? I'm DEFINITELY interested!
 
Back

-so the lethargy was gone, but back pumps were really so bad that i couldnt bother upping the weight on deads and bother with bent movements that put alot of strain on the lower back such as t-bar or barbell rows...dont know where my order is should have been here yest...will just buy generic taurine @ the store tommorow if it doesnt come to hold me off

...regardless, good lift

Deadlift:
405x10
Reverse Grip Lat Pulldown
Parallel Grip Pulldown super w/ Pullups
DB Rows:
100sx15

- some light cardio

- 3rd day on 100mgs, i will be running at this dose for the remaining >2 weeks left assuming that sides are at bay/do not get worse
- so I've really hit most of my strength goals on all the major movements beside squat...but at this point im going to be dropping the weight a little & increasing the reps, with the exception of a few movements, switch it up for a little since i've been doing more of a strength routine lately

- compound is really shining in terms of size- which i did not expect, i truthfully did not think i could put on this much size with a typical "recomp" compound, but just monitor your cals/carbs...keep the protein high, and one could very easily use this for a bulk...but you MUST be serious about your diet & all that follows, otherwise i can see how this would easily have a simple recomp effect...will do a weigh in tommorow
 
ex-tightend83 said:
Would you be so kind as to send me that routine? I'm DEFINITELY interested!
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Feel free to draw one up and send it to me. If I have any suggestions, i'll let ya know. I just think up an empty "skeleton" based on my goals, and then plug in whatever movements I want. Then slightly adjust for volume, and tweak it as I go. No routine is ever set in stone.
 
celc5 said:
Feel free to draw one up and send it to me. If I have any suggestions, i'll let ya know. I just think up an empty "skeleton" based on my goals, and then plug in whatever movements I want. Then slightly adjust for volume, and tweak it as I go. No routine is ever set in stone.
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Actually, I was interested in those "skeletons." but I'll give it a try. I figure with your experience and 17amethyl's results, I can't go wrong! Besides, that's why we come here...to learn.
 
ex-tightend83 said:
Actually, I was interested in those "skeletons." but I'll give it a try. I figure with your experience and 17amethyl's results, I can't go wrong! Besides, that's why we come here...to learn.
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XTE, pm on its way.

17a, good points through that whole post brotha! Keep it up :head:
 
celc5 said:
XTE, pm on its way.

17a, good points through that whole post brotha! Keep it up :head:
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PM received...thanks! It definitely looks like a winner. :bandit:
 
Arms

-so a few things to note, weight is up to 205, so 10lb increase....but i've been really slamming the carbs lately to combat lethargy, so i am somewhat bloated...but thats my fault
- on a brighter note, picked up taurine and took 3g preworkout last night bc ive had back pumps all day, and the "pain" in my lower back has nothing to do with an injury i thought i might have acquired while deadlifting...with just 3gs of taurine the pain was nearly enitely subdued by the evening
- and the actual workout was nuts, welcome back strength gains :bandit:

BB Curl:
135x10
Isolated DB Preacher Curls:
-35sx15...here my intention is to concentrate on the neg, moving slowly, contract hard coming up, and turning the pinky really in towards the chest...doing this with light weight high reps really blows up the outer portion of your bis
Rope Hammer Curls:
120x11
EZ Bar Preacher Curls

Tricpe PD on Pulley:
-240x10 reps
DB Skulls:
115sx15
Rope PD super w/ single arm PD
- single arm went up to 60x10
Dip Machine:
- until failure

- so ill just say that if my workout last night mirrors those left 2 come for the next >2weeks, ill be a happy camper...improved on many exercises last night and the endurance felt unreal
- strength & pump are phenom...back pumps (the bad ones) are subdued with an appropriate dose of taurine
- weighed in @ 205 this morning, post sh!t, so up 10lbs...im going to be honest and say that the incentive to take in carbs the past week or so has made me a little bloated lately but...im going to couple this carb increase with an increase in cardio
 
Shoulders/Traps

-yesterday was essentially a off day, i did an early morning cardio however, ran about 1.5-2 miles with 50lb weightvest...half uphill half downhill...some might question the effectiveness of 2 mile cardio but with a weightvest my heart-rate is up high the entire time

Today...
BB Shrugs
-495x8

BB SP:
225x7
-->super w/ btn standing bb sp
Lateral Raises on Pulley
-->super w. rev. fly machine
- went high reps on both, 10-15 which is unusual for me i tend to stay between 8-12 with these movements...the endurance today was amazing
Laying DB Front Delt Raises
--> super w. incline seated BB raises

Seated Shrugs on Hammer Strength

-overall a solid lift, nothing out of the ordinary...strength continues to gradually imrpove, but its not as explosive as it was during the beggining of the cycle, which is fine b/c visually the compound continues to enhance my physique (leaning down bf, thickening muscles, increase vascularity)

tommorow is legs...im now using my gym back home which has a good power-cage for squatting in...makes me feel more confident getting lower on squats with the support bars in it, plus i got my regular workout buddy to give a good spot...looking foward to it
 
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