Do You Have A Band-Aid? KgTomCat's CUT Log

KgTomCat said:
its mainly just my friends who are exercise science majors, some exercise psychologist came to school and lectured and ranted about how you need carbs, low carb is the devil, blah...he even said milk is bad! haha...so now all my friends think im retarded for doing what im doing, but i look better and im stronger than 95% of them...

I love veggies!

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You need carbs... Especially when building mass.

You don't need 400 to 600 g of carbs when you cant see your d*ck anymore.
 
Your brain needs carbs to function correctly, plain and simple. You should just eat carbs in the appropriate amounts and at the appropriate times. You probably won't see me ever going down to 50g carbs a day like some people on here do... I just can't function. If someone starts paying me to look a certain way, then sure, I would stop my carb consumption, but as long as I have to think to work, I need my carbs. 100-150g a day is enough to get you by and probably little enough to thin you out quite a bit. Just eat it in the morning and Post WO.
 
KgTomCat said:
its mainly just my friends who are exercise science majors, some exercise psychologist came to school and lectured and ranted about how you need carbs, low carb is the devil, blah...he even said milk is bad! haha...so now all my friends think im retarded for doing what im doing, but i look better and im stronger than 95% of them...

I love veggies!

:donut:
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Exercise science "peeps" generally provide their perspectives on carbs from a performance point of view, and if left to the core desires of a Strength & Conditioning Specialist, they'd have you wear a backpack full of sugar solution with an IV drip to your arm 24/7. Peak performance require a ton of carbs, but your trying to peak aesthetics, not performance, so I'd go the bodybuilding route of less carbs.

Bodybuilding principles rarely correlate with Academia. An Exercise Science definition of fit, is healthy. Good lungs, good heart, good BP, and average BF%. A bodybuilders definition of fit, is partly functional liver, BP through the roof, but we look sick with our shirts off.

Acadmia is primed for performance and/or health. I'd say 85% of the Kinesiology majors as Fullerton are "fit." Maybe 1% look like bodybuilders. Balance your diet out once you've hit your goal, (to maintain the desired weight) but until then, you should probably tip it toward lower carbs.

I know other Strength & Conditioning Specialist that don't know much about "bodybuilding." There's reading about surfing and there's actually surfing, some $hit you can't just book learn, but have to practice to get practical wisdom. I generally side with those who offer advice from an academically trained point of view, but not in this case. Bodybuilding doesn't really fall under any of the Kines specialties in any specific sense, only general knowledge of hypertrophy, strength, power, what nots, but the dieting of a bodybuilder, jigga please.
 
TimberLakers said:
You need carbs... Especially when building mass.

You don't need 400 to 600 g of carbs when you cant see your d*ck anymore.
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Ill never be able to eat that many carbs and still feel sane
GMG760 said:
Your brain needs carbs to function correctly, plain and simple. You should just eat carbs in the appropriate amounts and at the appropriate times. You probably won't see me ever going down to 50g carbs a day like some people on here do... I just can't function. If someone starts paying me to look a certain way, then sure, I would stop my carb consumption, but as long as I have to think to work, I need my carbs. 100-150g a day is enough to get you by and probably little enough to thin you out quite a bit. Just eat it in the morning and Post WO.
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Ive been in that range lately, and only eating most of my carbs at that time, I feel great!
 
VolcomX311 said:
Exercise science "peeps" generally provide their perspectives on carbs from a performance point of view, and if left to the core desires of a Strength & Conditioning Specialist, they'd have you wear a backpack full of sugar solution with an IV drip to your arm 24/7. Peak performance require a ton of carbs, but your trying to peak aesthetics, not performance, so I'd go the bodybuilding route of less carbs.

Bodybuilding principles rarely correlate with Academia. An Exercise Science definition of fit, is healthy. Good lungs, good heart, good BP, and average BF%. A bodybuilders definition of fit, is partly functional liver, BP through the roof, but we look sick with our shirts off.

Acadmia is primed for performance and/or health. I'd say 85% of the Kinesiology majors as Fullerton are "fit." Maybe 1% look like bodybuilders. Balance your diet out once you've hit your goal, (to maintain the desired weight) but until then, you should probably tip it toward lower carbs.

I know other Strength & Conditioning Specialist that don't know much about "bodybuilding." There's reading about surfing and there's actually surfing, some $hit you can't just book learn, but have to practice to get practical wisdom. I generally side with those who offer advice from an academically trained point of view, but not in this case. Bodybuilding doesn't really fall under any of the Kines specialties in any specific sense, only general knowledge of hypertrophy, strength, power, what nots, but the dieting of a bodybuilder, jigga please.
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I just found a sale that supplementwarehouse is having....furaguno for only $20.00, should I buy 2 bottles and run it at 5 ED for the last 4-5 weeks of my cut???? I need feedback ASAP
 
VolcomX311 said:
Exercise science "peeps" generally provide their perspectives on carbs from a performance point of view, and if left to the core desires of a Strength & Conditioning Specialist, they'd have you wear a backpack full of sugar solution with an IV drip to your arm 24/7. Peak performance require a ton of carbs, but your trying to peak aesthetics, not performance, so I'd go the bodybuilding route of less carbs.

Bodybuilding principles rarely correlate with Academia. An Exercise Science definition of fit, is healthy. Good lungs, good heart, good BP, and average BF%. A bodybuilders definition of fit, is partly functional liver, BP through the roof, but we look sick with our shirts off.

Acadmia is primed for performance and/or health. I'd say 85% of the Kinesiology majors as Fullerton are "fit." Maybe 1% look like bodybuilders. Balance your diet out once you've hit your goal, (to maintain the desired weight) but until then, you should probably tip it toward lower carbs.

I know other Strength & Conditioning Specialist that don't know much about "bodybuilding." There's reading about surfing and there's actually surfing, some $hit you can't just book learn, but have to practice to get practical wisdom. I generally side with those who offer advice from an academically trained point of view, but not in this case. Bodybuilding doesn't really fall under any of the Kines specialties in any specific sense, only general knowledge of hypertrophy, strength, power, what nots, but the dieting of a bodybuilder, jigga please.
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Dude, so true.
 
KgTomCat said:
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then what range am I in? 150-200?
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I just saved you 50 bucks... Smile.

Eh, hard to tell since you only did the one post per diet about twice to help us out. I'd say most days you're slightly over 200...

Figure on a normal day I see you take in:

  • 3 Wheat Slices - 80g
  • 1/2 cup Oatmeal - 50g
  • Bowl of Granola - 75 or so (guessing at bowl size / sugar content)
  • Simple Sugars (Milk, 2 Fruits, etc) - Another 100 to 120 grams

Rough estimate of course. That's almost 300. Try recording your exact macros for a couple days. A lot of people don't grasp what they are taking in until they see it in black and white. Really pay attention to portion size too. I can sit there and half a "bowl of raisin bran" that magically fills itself cause my fatass is on the couch with the box next to me. The serving size for cereal according to the FDA is 1 cup... which is REALLY small.
 
TimberLakers said:
I just saved you 50 bucks... Smile.

Eh, hard to tell since you only did the one post per diet about twice to help us out. I'd say most days you're slightly over 200...

Figure on a normal day I see you take in:

  • 3 Wheat Slices - 80g
  • 1/2 cup Oatmeal - 50g
  • Bowl of Granola - 75 or so (guessing at bowl size / sugar content)
  • Simple Sugars (Milk, 2 Fruits, etc) - Another 100 to 120 grams

Rough estimate of course. That's almost 300. Try recording your exact macros for a couple days. A lot of people don't grasp what they are taking in until they see it in black and white. Really pay attention to portion size too. I can sit there and half a "bowl of raisin bran" that magically fills itself cause my fatass is on the couch with the box next to me. The serving size for cereal according to the FDA is 1 cup... which is REALLY small.
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wheat bread has 10g carbs+1g sugar a slice....33g
1/2 cup of oatmeal....27g carbs+1g sugar
yes, granola is high
apple has about 30g carbs
1 scoop whey protein 3g carbs+1g sugar
I totaled around 120-150
 
just did 28 min HIIT, I have 2 mid-terms so I'll be busy the next two days then I go to Florida...
post cardio
1/2 cup of oatmeal
1 scoop of why
1 apple
 
KgTomCat said:
im going by the numbers on the nutrition facts on the food, but okay..
snack
6 egg whites
8 ounce glass of skim-milk
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Just saying dude. There is no way you are eating a half cup of COOKED oatmeal. Also - according to you, you're half assing this anyway - so more likely than not you're eating stuff you aren't even keeping track of - since everything you post is clean.
 
lunch
2 cups of green beans
large salad-spinach, eggs, cucumbers, carrots, lite raspberry vinaigrette
 
TimberLakers said:
Just saying dude. There is no way you are eating a half cup of COOKED oatmeal. Also - according to you, you're half assing this anyway - so more likely than not you're eating stuff you aren't even keeping track of - since everything you post is clean.
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cooked, im not sure what you mean, I take 1/2 cup of Quakers Instant oatmeal (sometimes old fashioned), add about 1/2 cup of water, microwave it for 1 minute. if you mean cooked as in stove top, no, im not doing that...
 

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pre WO-3/4 piece of wheat bread, 50g whey - 25
post WO-1/2 cup of oatmeal (30), 1/2 banana (20), 1 apple (25), 1 scoop whey - 70
lunch-2 pieces of wheat bread w/tuna fish and 1 cup of mixed veggies - 50
snack-50g shake
dinner-chicken salad - 20
snack-piece of wheat bread w/2 tbsp of PB - 25

Dude, this is the only day you posted your diet with enough clarity that I gave a f*ck to read it. I'm estimating, but you're still at 200 there... Like I said, I'm not going to argue anymore about it. Eat whatever you want, take 5 Feraguno a day... You stress the sh*t out me.
 
TimberLakers said:
pre WO-3/4 piece of wheat bread, 50g whey - 25
post WO-1/2 cup of oatmeal (30), 1/2 banana (20), 1 apple (25), 1 scoop whey - 70
lunch-2 pieces of wheat bread w/tuna fish and 1 cup of mixed veggies - 50
snack-50g shake
dinner-chicken salad - 20
snack-piece of wheat bread w/2 tbsp of PB - 25

Dude, this is the only day you posted your diet with enough clarity that I gave a f*ck to read it. I'm estimating, but you're still at 200 there... Like I said, I'm not going to argue anymore about it. Eat whatever you want, take 5 Feraguno a day... You stress the sh*t out me.
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Tom's log should be the last thing in the world stressing you out.
 
Timber why one earth are you stressing out over my log? Didnt mean to argue with you on the amount of carbs...thats minor league stuff. No, I'm not going to take 5 Furaguno ED, Im going to take 3 and get my diet in order
 
wow, I feel bad...I just dont feel like Im eating that many carbs, and I dont want to feel like Im starving myself either, but I promise, once I get back from Florida, Im going to dramatically change my diet!
I may do arms and some cardio tonight...not sure. I didnt sleep much last night, and I'm tired, going to eat my dinner/pre-WO...should I get some carbs? If so, they'll be wheat and veggies
 
Tom - There is nothing to feel bad about bro. This is a learning experience for all of us, and the learning curve on dropping bodyfat is a sharp one at first. You can eat carbs dude, just choose a number that makes sense for your goals. Dropping BF% takes time, and no supplement or steroid is going to do it for you in a few weeks time. You started with some considerable bodyfat, that's ok, just it is going to take a while longer for you to reach your target BF% than it would say me, and that is because I have dropped that initial weight already. It took me a LONG time before I got to where I wanted to be, and some people on here lose weight easier than others... it's simple for some people, and it's extremely challenging for others. Remember, that we are looking in the mirror at ourselves EVERY DAY. It is really hard to not pick yourself apart when we run logs on sites like this, as we are CONSTANTLY thinking about our physique. But to let you know, we don't get to see the pictures of the other people who post on this website every day, and judging by your pictures, you are losing quite a bit of BF%. You are succeeding in what you are doing, just realize that it is going to take a continued commitment to the progress that you are making to achieve your desired goals.
 
KgTomCat said:
wow, I feel bad...I just dont feel like Im eating that many carbs, and I dont want to feel like Im starving myself either, but I promise, once I get back from Florida, Im going to dramatically change my diet!
I may do arms and some cardio tonight...not sure. I didnt sleep much last night, and I'm tired, going to eat my dinner/pre-WO...should I get some carbs? If so, they'll be wheat and veggies
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It looks like your default setting is a larger framed, mesoendo type, like myself. Compared to most people and especially most if not all of the people you know, your carb intake is probably on the lower end, but for the average "bodybuilder" type, your practically bulking. Not really, but when I read one of your meals I actually asked myself if this was a bulking log and then you wrote something along the lines of, "I know this is not nearly enough calories" and I was like, this has to be a bulking log, only I know you're trying to cut. I think I thought this because I placed myself in your meals situation and consider our someotypes to be similar.

You eat plenty clean, as far as food choices in general, but I think you're just taking in too much kcals. Not to mention you seem to take a 20g protein shake with every meal. In my opinion, being a larger guy who has to fight inch by inch for fat loss, even protein kcals aren't freebee's. Maybe your body type is like mine, maybe it's not, but I don't go catabolic very easily. I gain muscle and weight in general if I breath too much and I have to work 3 times as hard to get half the results of some people, however, again, the upside is I don't go catabolic for $hit. I'm all for high protein intake, but keep in mind it's about calories right now. Eat your proteins, keep shakes to a minimum. I know you hear and read 2.5g of protein per lbs of body weight, $hiiiiiiiit, I can gauran'effin-tee you I wouldn't lose jack on that much caloric intake when compounded with the fats I need. That 2.5g number may be effective for default lean bodyframes, but for default big boys, it's a no go for me, way too much kcals. However, you can't talk people out of protein, so if you intend to maintain your protein intake at the 2-2.5g/lb, then you need to cut waaaaaay down on the carbs, complex, brown, oat, barley, legumes, whatever, bring that ish down.

If it's harder then normal for you to lose weight, then you can't take a "normal" diet and cut on it, somethings gotta go. I'm in that same boat. It took me as long to get from 215 up to 230, as it has taken me to drop from 215 down to 192. I'm assuming our bodytypes are similar based on your past avi's. Losing body fat is way harder then putting it on, so you need to tighten down on your caloric intake, imho.
 
VolcomX311 said:
It looks like your default setting is a larger framed, mesoendo type, like myself. Compared to most people and especially most if not all of the people you know, your carb intake is probably on the lower end, but for the average "bodybuilder" type, your practically bulking. Not really, but when I read one of your meals I actually asked myself if this was a bulking log and then you wrote something along the lines of, "I know this is not nearly enough calories" and I was like, this has to be a bulking log, only I know you're trying to cut. I think I thought this because I placed myself in your meals situation and consider our someotypes to be similar.

You eat plenty clean, as far as food choices in general, but I think you're just taking in too much kcals. Not to mention you seem to take a 20g protein shake with every meal. In my opinion, being a larger guy who has to fight inch by inch for fat loss, even protein kcals aren't freebee's. Maybe your body type is like mine, maybe it's not, but I don't go catabolic very easily. I gain muscle and weight in general if I breath too much and I have to work 3 times as hard to get half the results of some people, however, again, the upside is I don't go catabolic for $hit. I'm all for high protein intake, but keep in mind it's about calories right now. Eat your proteins, keep shakes to a minimum. I know you hear and read 2.5g of protein per lbs of body weight, $hiiiiiiiit, I can gauran'effin-tee you I wouldn't lose jack on that much caloric intake when compounded with the fats I need. That 2.5g number may be effective for default lean bodyframes, but for default big boys, it's a no go for me, way too much kcals. However, you can't talk people out of protein, so if you intend to maintain your protein intake at the 2-2.5g/lb, then you need to cut waaaaaay down on the carbs, complex, brown, oat, barley, legumes, whatever, bring that ish down.

If it's harder then normal for you to lose weight, then you can't take a "normal" diet and cut on it, somethings gotta go. I'm in that same boat. It took me as long to get from 215 up to 230, as it has taken me to drop from 215 down to 192. I'm assuming our bodytypes are similar based on your past avi's. Losing body fat is way harder then putting it on, so you need to tighten down on your caloric intake, imho.
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yes I deff took all of this into consideration, noticing it seemed like a lean bulk versus a cut...taking in 2g of protein is high cals, so that would be the most of my food intake, and I need SOME carbs, fats, so when I get back, Ill deff cut back on the useless cals. I'm not sure what body type I am to be honest, Im a big guy, now, but I used to be small, so that makes me think, but like I said before, when I'm in Florida I'm going to enjoy myself, not splurge in the festivities but have fun. I plan on jogging on the beach and being pretty active, Im not going to be laying around killing back beers all day like some people, mainly Ill drink water and eat healthy, its just the way I am...but tonights WO was pretty good. Im taking tomorrow and Friday off. I have alot to do with school and other things...but I will still post my diet
dinner/pre-WO
salad-eggs, carrots, cucumbers, spinach
chicken pot pie-just the veggies and chicken, not the crust
2 pieces of wheat toast
post WO
1 piece of wheat bread
1 tbsp of jelly
50g protein
 
30 min HIIT stationary bike...I LOVE the bike
post cardio
2 pieces of wheat bread
1 tbsp of jelly
50g shake
snack
1 chicken breast
1 tbsp all natty PB
 
lunch/pre WO
1/2 cup oatmeal
1 scoop whey
1 tbsp of PB

....got ready for lift but something came up and couldnt, what do I do now? Im starving and tired. Might go lift, but like sh*t
 
Ummm...go lift anyway if you have time now. Sometimes you feel like **** until you get warmed up, I've had some of my best workouts that way. If you can't make it to lift then don't stress about it, nothing you can do.
 
yea went and lifted anyway...
Chest & Back
Incline DB
95x10x3
Flat DB
85x12x3
Cable Crossover
60x15x3
BB Row
105x15
135x12x3
Cable Row
10x15
12x10x2
10x12
Lateral DB Raise
20x12x3
20x15

post WO
50g whey
salad-chicken, corn, eggs, spinach, carrots, cucumbers
 
TimberLakers said:
I'm still reading dude. Just going to step back on advising on your diet / pill-popping.
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ok, thats understandable, at least your here!
snack
7 egg white
1 glass of skim milk
1 bowl of granola

-I know the granola is bad, I have an exam in about 2 hours and popped a Adderall...and the little sugar spike I get from it helps
 
KgTomCat said:
ok, thats understandable, at least your here!
snack
7 egg white
1 glass of skim milk
1 bowl of granola

-I know the granola is bad, I have an exam in about 2 hours and popped a Adderall...and the little sugar spike I get from it helps
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granola isn't that bad, but an entire bowl of it is if you intend on having anymore carbs today (on a cut).
 
TimberLakers said:
Granola is pretty ambiguous. I've seen some good ones, and I've seen some downright awful ones.
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Tru Dat. The actual Quaker Granola & Raisin Cereal has more sugar then the likes of Trixs, Lucky Charms & so on. It's damn good, but it's damn sugary as well.
 
VolcomX311 said:
granola isn't that bad, but an entire bowl of it is if you intend on having anymore carbs today (on a cut).
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TimberLakers said:
Granola is pretty ambiguous. I've seen some good ones, and I've seen some downright awful ones.
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VolcomX311 said:
Tru Dat. The actual Quaker Granola & Raisin Cereal has more sugar then the likes of Trixs, Lucky Charms & so on. It's damn good, but it's damn sugary as well.
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Yes, thats why I had only about 3/4 a bowl, I felt horrible eating it but anyway...having a Isopure RTD-Peach Mango right now, then going to lift, not really doing any certain body part, a mixture of stuff, calves, traps, abs, and of course some cardio. Post WO Ill have a piece or 2 of wheat bread w/jelly and thatll be pretty much it for carbs today, other than protein shakes. Hunger isnt noticeable at all, the Adderall might play a factor in this, not sure
 
I went back to your intro page to find out what supplements you're taking. Out of curiosity, what are you currently on?
 
WO was pretty good, nothing special...did some shrugs, pull-ups, curls, calf raises and 10 min cardio
post WO
50g whey shake
2 pieces wheat bread, 2 tbsp of jelly

Ill either have a piece of fish or chicken tonight for dinner, then another shake before I go to bed
 
VolcomX311 said:
I went back to your intro page to find out what supplements you're taking. Out of curiosity, what are you currently on?
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as of now...
Lipo6X
Furaguno
Mult-Vit
BCAA's

when Lipo6X runs out, Ill switch to either Meltdown, REDLine, or DREN. Meltdown and REDLine are both made by VPX, so that may be the same compound :think: I tried DREN last year, but my diet and routine was WAY off, made me feel 'funny'
 
KgTomCat said:
as of now...
Lipo6X
Furaguno
Mult-Vit
BCAA's

when Lipo6X runs out, Ill switch to either Meltdown, REDLine, or DREN. Meltdown and REDLine are both made by VPX, so that may be the same compound :think: I tried DREN last year, but my diet and routine was WAY off, made me feel 'funny'
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Without any break in between? Aren't you feeling the stim effect severely diminishing or getting sleepy within 3-4 hours after your stim doses yet? I'd suggest a 1-2 week break between products so you can regain your stim sensitivity to some extent. You might be fine still now, but by the end of the Lipo6X, stims will start to feel like placebo's from adrenal fatigue or at best, you'll get a 1-2 hour stim then severe fatigue.

Of course you keep dieting when you're breaking between stim products, but if you run stim products back to back to back, you'll be doing yourself a disfavor. Again, stim placebo and lethargy or no fun in a cut.

I'm in between products myself. I'm still taking Recreate and DCP (because Recreate is basically a non-stim, it's EXTREMELY low and DCP is a literal non-stim). I just finished a bottle of AdipoX, I was about a week into my second consecutive bottle when the Adipox started to turn into a sleep aid, so I knew the adrenals needed a break. Recreate doesn't register.

I've got AX's new Slim Xtreme coming in. I'd probably have to wait a full month to get my stim virginity back, but a 2 week break will suffice, maybe 3. I understand the sense of urgency when cutting, but I think some form of a break from stims between your products is the best move, just a suggestion. By the way, I loved VPX's Redline. One of my favorite stims.
 
haha, stim virginity. honestly Ive never really felt the effect diminish in anyway....maybe I never had it? haha. I also have only one bottle of Recreate...heard nothing but good things about that. I have had NO hunger pains like before, I dont know why...Ill get hungry, just not that real bad hungry, ya know? As for a break inbetween stims, yes im going to do so, only 1 week thought, Ive been off of NO Shotgun for a week now, and may not go back on it...sometimes I feel better off of it when I was was it. I have about 2-3 weeks of Lipo6X left, when thats done Ill take 1 week off then start up something else.
I used REDLine for about a week (trials) and liked it alot...thats why Im leaning towards that
snack
3/4 cup of Green Beans-no salt, sugar, just plain veggies, also drained the water
2 tbsp natty PB
 
spring break has been insane!!! Ive been eating only tuna fish, wheat bread, and naturally more PB...had only a few drinks. Starving most of the time, but its whatever
 
I just got back from Panama Beach, the last few days were gruesome. I was hungry, had migraines, was exhausted (even though I had not done anything), was cold with shivers and in pain, not the pain you get from being sore, but pain from getting your @ss kicked, and worst...my balls have been throbbing in pain...I think Im going to start the PCT of Novadex XT tonight
 
Im going to take 3 Novadex XT every night before bed until the bottle runs out...if I remember correctly that was the plan
 
I did drink in Florida, I think that may be why I feel like $hit, and I forgot to drink plenty of H2O=:(
hows your log doing T-Lake, I wasnt able to keep up with it, I was busy, sorry man
 
KgTomCat said:
I just got back from Panama Beach, the last few days were gruesome. I was hungry, had migraines, was exhausted (even though I had not done anything), was cold with shivers and in pain, not the pain you get from being sore, but pain from getting your @ss kicked, and worst...my balls have been throbbing in pain...I think Im going to start the PCT of Novadex XT tonight
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Best of luck to you and your PCT dude.
 
im going to finish up my PCT with my Novadex XT and some trib, not really cutting or bulking. just going to eat healthy and lift heavy and hard
 
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