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7 week test prop cycle

mattakaspeedy

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OK guys i have finally figured out my first injectable cycle and bought it. i have got 50mls of test prop and thinking of doing 200mg every second day. How does this sound ? is the dose right for a first injectable cycle ? The cycle like that comes to 7 weeks and 100mg of test per day. ALso would i still benifit from running superdrol as a kickstart for 3 weeks or just run the prop. I know that prop has a faster easter and works withing a week i think...
 
start with 100mg eod. thats more than enough to grow on for ur first cycle. after 2 -3 weeks, if u feel the need, then bump to 150mg eod. adding superdrol is fine, have u ran it before?
 
nosnmiveins said:
start with 100mg eod. thats more than enough to grow on for ur first cycle. after 2 -3 weeks, if u feel the need, then bump to 150mg eod. adding superdrol is fine, have u ran it before?
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agreed 200 mg eod is too much for a first cycle, first see how your body reacts to exo test cause you can have some harsh sides with it(like gyno, acne, hair loss,etc)

and have an ai or serm at hand, better safe than sorry
 
Straight up, gotta agree with the 2 guys above me. 100mg EOD, this will also allow you to extend the cycle and reap more/higher quality gains in the long run. Incorporate some HCG, and you'll be golden.
 
Well I typed out a long response to your decision to use 150mgs EOD, and then decided not to post it...but since your back and asking again, here goes....

This is your first cycle....you came to the board and asked for experienced users to help you pick a good first cycle. EVERY single poster (all 5) who responded told you that what you were planning was too high and to use 100mg EOD. Each one told you that 100mgs was plenty, and as I said 100mgs EOD will still work and provide good gains for guys who have used steroids for years. You responded back with this......

well i decided on 150 eod

So, bottom line is I stand by what I initially recommended....100mgs EOD is plenty.

holy
 
150 eod is 525 a week which is barely over what everyone tells everyone else to run on their first time and after multiple SD runs it's not really a "first cycle" either so go for it... remember to have an AI.
 
Props ester is smaller than cyp and enth so your actually getting more test with prop. And listen to the f'ing experts. just like holy said 100 eod is fine after 4 weeks maybe bump it up for 2 weeks and cycle off IMO if u really want to go higher. I have been on for 3.5 days and have felt some pretty sweet gains already, 100 eod is fine and until u run it like that and experience what that feels like u shouldn't run prop.
 
mooch2321 said:
525 mgs of prop is a LOT....
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i'm into the 3rd week of 700 and still waiting for weight gains. I couldn't imagine using half this dose, it would be a waste of time.
 
opps lol it was meant to be 100eod i decided on. i just had 150 in my head it sliped out. hmm na this will be my first injectable cycle but have done a few superdrol and pheraplex cycles.

Also while running injectables do you guys still run BCAA's, creatine and L-Glutamine while on cycle ?

Hmm im due to start on thursday which is 4 days away. Looking very excited as everyone tells me nothing compares to test, cant wait :) and thanks for all ya advice peeps. So 100eod for 9 weeks is what i plan to do...
 
UnrealMachine said:
i'm into the 3rd week of 700 and still waiting for weight gains. I couldn't imagine using half this dose, it would be a waste of time.
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sure you didnt get bunk gear again? plus you basically ran a superdrol cycle without pct....i bet your hormones are goin nuts....
 
Def. not bunk, my libido is crazy.

And 4 weeks of SD and no PCT, it's impressive isn't it, i didn't even realize that the test was bad because I was running just fine...

I should have come out of that with particularly low test levels, meaning I'd notice a big difference when I started injecting 100mg of prop ED. Not so much difference. I've been learning a lot.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Def. not bunk, my libido is crazy.

And 4 weeks of SD and no PCT, it's impressive isn't it, i didn't even realize that the test was bad because I was running just fine...

I should have come out of that with particularly low test levels, meaning I'd notice a big difference when I started injecting 100mg of prop ED. Not so much difference. I've been learning a lot.
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i didnt gain much strength from test alone. weight was another story but i had also "primed" before it and this was 8 weeks after i was cleared by my surgeon to be able to workout again.

i only gained 25lbs on my first cycle because A LOT of it was muscle memory. but libido and the sense of well-being were definitely the most noticable.

unreal u just need to try out deca or tren.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Def. not bunk, my libido is crazy.

And 4 weeks of SD and no PCT, it's impressive isn't it, i didn't even realize that the test was bad because I was running just fine...

I should have come out of that with particularly low test levels, meaning I'd notice a big difference when I started injecting 100mg of prop ED. Not so much difference. I've been learning a lot.
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hey i had the same thing happen to me a couple years ago...first tren cycle...six weeks on tren adn it turned out my test was bunk.... :aargh: ...pct came like six weeks after i finished the tren...
 
I have done a couple superdrol and pheraplex cycles prob 2 each and one togethor. So from running my first injectable cycle of 100eod for 8-10 weeks while having a good diet and training hard how much does one gain on average ? Will it be a good cycle running test prop only ? i still have some superdrol, pheraplex and epistane left, should i add one of those in somewhere or just leave it ??? im thinking since my first test cycle i just run it alone...
 
i cant wait, heard so many good things. I can tell it gonna be a pain in the ass SERIOUSLY seeming it my first cycle and im opening new sites, but im looking foward to it :P~
 
Im going to say this again, for all those guys and gals out there who are obviously sadly mistaken....USING SD (OR HAVOC, ETC) IS NOT THE SAME AS RUNNING TESTOSTERONE. Thinking because you've done a cycle of SD means you need more test is absolutely nuts.

holy
 
I never said he would need more test, but obviously someone who has done cycles is more ready for a test cycle than someone who hasn't done either... you know, somewhat, how your body might respond and you should be more prepared with research chems and PCT supplies to combat complications. But what complications are you going to get from 525mg a week, outside of maybe using an AI... worst case scenario is bad acne or shedding or bloating (none of which is likely) and because it's prop the dose can be lowered quickly and you would have essentially frontloaded the cycle.
Big deal.

People pushing the stacked orals like Epi and Tren is way more dangerous than someone using 525mg of prop a week on their first time.
 
Oi dont fight over me lol. i decided on 100eod and then if i dont feel like it making gains in 3rd week then bumo it up if need be. Also should ni use 23 guage 1 inch for all shots except glutes ? use a 25 g and 1 1/4 inch for them ??
 
100 eod is way to low and sd or havoc is actually proably stronger than 500mg test test just has lower sides and you can raise the dose higher than you could an oral in imo 40mg of havoc would be equal to about 80mg test as far as gains are concerned.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I never said he would need more test, but obviously someone who has done cycles is more ready for a test cycle than someone who hasn't done either... you know, somewhat, how your body might respond and you should be more prepared with research chems and PCT supplies to combat complications. But what complications are you going to get from 525mg a week, outside of maybe using an AI... worst case scenario is bad acne or shedding or bloating (none of which is likely) and because it's prop the dose can be lowered quickly and you would have essentially frontloaded the cycle.
Big deal.

People pushing the stacked orals like Epi and Tren is way more dangerous than someone using 525mg of prop a week on their first time.
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IMO, its not a matter of danger, sides, or any of that.

It is a matter of using moderate doses, while you can still make good progress on them.. There is really no need to jump straight to 150mg EOD, when most people will make VERY good gains at 100mg eod. THen after you have exhausted that, you can step it up.

Even if you have done 10 cycles, if your still gaining off 100-125mg EOD, then why up it? Save the higher doses for when you NEED them.. There is a point of diminishing returns.

I was talking to a guy the other day, who is a very well known contest prep guy, real old school, and he was telling me how ridiculous all these doses people run these days, and how much he hates "orals" Told me he has top level guys, after 20 years in the sport, who are still only using 1g test, 600mg deca a week in the off season and making good gains.

Just my take on it.
 
I don't think I have disputed any of that

I just think it's silly to tell every 170lb newb with 0 experience to run 500 a week and then tell this guy he has to run less because "you're supposed to start as low as possible."

The reason 500 a week is recommended to newbs is because 300-400 is weak and for many people it's not really worth it.

I'm not trying to be a proponent of high doses... but I have to say from my own point of view, i don't really care about maximizing potential by slowly increasing my doses... I don't want to be cycling in 20 years. I'm getting big now so i don't have to cycle in 20 years... In fact I'll be as big as I need to get really soon and then I won't need to cycle at all...
 
UnrealMachine said:
I don't think I have disputed any of that

I just think it's silly to tell every 170lb newb with 0 experience to run 500 a week and then tell this guy he has to run less because "you're supposed to start as low as possible."

The reason 500 a week is recommended to newbs is because 300-400 is weak and for many people it's not really worth it.

I'm not trying to be a proponent of high doses... but I have to say from my own point of view, i don't really care about maximizing potential by slowly increasing my doses... I don't want to be cycling in 20 years. I'm getting big now so i don't have to cycle in 20 years... In fact I'll be as big as I need to get really soon and then I won't need to cycle at all...
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I think both the 170lb person, and this guy could both make great gains at 100mg/eod, barring their nutrition, and training is in check. I cant really comment further because it is "fictitious", there is always a chance the 170lb person started at 130lbs, gained 40lbs naturally, and may be a "newb" to steroids, but not to training. So why should that guy have to take less, then the 6'5 240 person, that has already taken a few cycles, and may have not even gained that 40lbs on gear, after multiple cycles?

I just think we have two different opinions on the issue. Neither one is wrong or right. I am just of the school of thought that one should use the least amount of gear, to make the desired gains.

Your situation is a bit different. You have already built a damn respectable physique, you clearly know what your doing. I still think you would have made similar progress at a lower dose, but can't really fault you for going the route you did, after all the **** you dealt with. Especially since we are still dealing with UG, and the potential to be under dosed is pretty good, even if it is closer then your last "batch". Id rather be slightly over, then under, ill tell you that much:)
 
ok well would 125eod be better then, its halfway between 100 and 150, and that will mean i get 430 roughly of test a week. People are confusing me :(
 
Your going to have to make the final decision yourself.. Everyone has posted their opinions, and now you need to think about what YOU want to do..
 
mattakaspeedy said:
ok well would 125eod be better then, its halfway between 100 and 150, and that will mean i get 430 roughly of test a week. People are confusing me :(
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I think it has been stated multiple times by very experienced users that you should stick with 100mg eod. That will yeild great gains for your first cycle or your 5th. Just stick with 100.
 
OKIE its gonna be 100eod for 8 weeks, might push to 10 if gains keep coming. 2 days till i start :) Gonna put my log in the progress section too.
 
imprezivr6 said:
IMO, its not a matter of danger, sides, or any of that.

It is a matter of using moderate doses, while you can still make good progress on them.. There is really no need to jump straight to 150mg EOD, when most people will make VERY good gains at 100mg eod. THen after you have exhausted that, you can step it up.
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This sums it up perfectly for me.....the bottom line is going from 100mgs EOD to 150mgs EOD is only 150mgs a week....its certainly not enough to cause any issues, and we can probably predict with a high degree of certainty what the sides (if any) will be. What I was trying to stress was that you should creep the doses up incrementally, and not just pick a starting point arbitrarily like the OP did.

Obviously he could start at 150mgs and have virtually no issues, and I would honestly expect that to be the case....I would just like to see more folks err on the side of less than more. Remember, Ive worked with MEGA dose guys, and I always have my reservations when I see what looks like someone starting out on the wrong foot.

holy
 
I really can't argue with you guys because I do agree with you... what I was just trying to point out is that every d00d no matter his stats is told to do 500 of enanthate on his first cycle which is more than 100mg of prop eod.

Maybe half the reason i said it all is because I'm pretty disappointed with my prop, day 19 at 100mg ed with increased calories and I haven't gained a pound. It's my problem though, i should not tell others to bump the dose.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I really can't argue with you guys because I do agree with you... what I was just trying to point out is that every d00d no matter his stats is told to do 500 of enanthate on his first cycle which is more than 100mg of prop eod.

Maybe half the reason i said it all is because I'm pretty disappointed with my prop, day 19 at 100mg ed with increased calories and I haven't gained a pound. It's my problem though, i should not tell others to bump the dose.
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u just need to stop ur cycle and give me the rest of ur prop :D
 
UnrealMachine said:
I really can't argue with you guys because I do agree with you... what I was just trying to point out is that every d00d no matter his stats is told to do 500 of enanthate on his first cycle which is more than 100mg of prop eod.

Maybe half the reason i said it all is because I'm pretty disappointed with my prop, day 19 at 100mg ed with increased calories and I haven't gained a pound. It's my problem though, i should not tell others to bump the dose.
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Prop is stronger mg for mg than enanthate or cypionate. 100mg eod is plenty for a first time user. I actually MUCH prefer ED shots with prop with regards to blood levels.

You may just have some bad prop though man. However if you haven't gained a pound when your in caloric surplus, maybe your not in caloric surplus, bc even with no gear or anything surplus is surplus :)
 
Well i did it yeserday. Didnt hurt at all. But this morning when i woke up it is a lil bit sore in the muscle but nothing you would complain about.
 
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