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Six Pack Stack Support Sack | A MUST READ!!!

Looks good, although I don't have any straight Leucine. I can order some, though.

I also don't have Creatine Mono, though I do have some Di-Creatine Malate. I assume that will suffice?

Shall I follow the same plan for morning cardio as well?

Thanks!

Mulletsoldier said:
Wake-up [7:00 AM]
2 RC
1 AP
3 PRIME
1 scoop Jacked
1/2 tsp Bulk PowerFULL
2g Fish Oil

As workout begins [7:20 AM]
~10-12g BCAA w/ extra Leucine
1 DCP [TTA will prevent PPAR-induced lipid-binding and free up more IMTG {intramuscular triglycerides} for oxidation]
5g Creatine Monohydrate

On last set of workout:
1 AP

Immediately after workout:
1 P-Slin broken open and dumped into shake w/ Waxy Maize, protein isolate, and a small amount of fruit [important to retain energy levels throughout the day as liver glycogen was most likely oxidized during fasted training to provide energy]
1 CLA cap
2g Fish Oil [these both combat the oxidative stress of working out fasted]

Whole food meal approximately 1/2 hour later.
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Yeah, I'm not fuking around this time. If my "after" pic is good enough, I'll post up before/after pics :biglaugh:

ABNRanger said:
wow tribal, you are not playing. You got DCP in there along with RC, good luck bro. It will be nice to the end result. Are you gonna post any before pics?
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And just to clarify with you USP folks... this log will satisfy your requirement for the Prime money-back guarantee, correct?
 
Good deal. I start Monday. Do you want the log in the USP forum on this board, or the log forum?

I still have to sign up for the forum at the USP site too.
 
What if you send me the prime, if I do a good log, then I won't have to send any money, lol. Hey thought I might try, (going back to regular scheduled program now)
 
I am currently on the six pack stack, PF and Super Cissus Rx is also being stacked with it. Yesterday after taking my second AP, not long after I felt lethargic, and wanted to take a nap. I thought it was just an isolated occurrence but it happened again today. This is my dosing scheme
545 am- 1-RC, 1-AP, 2 Super Cis
0600 Breakfast
1 hr after breakfast 2 PF
1145- 1 AP
12noon Lunch
1645 1-AP
1700 Snack
1730: 2-RC, 2-PF
1800 Gym
2000- Post Workout shake
2045- Post workout meal
2200- 1-C

It seems after the 1145 AP, I feel sleepy. Tomorrow I may eliminate the 2 PF after breakfast, and see how I feel. If I feel ok because of the change, then I will move the 2 after breakfast to before bed. Another option I am considering is taking 2 RC in the am, and just take 1 before the gym. Any suggestions or reasons why the lethargy. Not sure if this may help shed some light, but I am on week 4 of PCT (coming off Epi cycle)
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I actually suggest foregoing post-weights cardio, and ensure you take in about 10-12g BCAA during and immediately after a workout, with extra Leucine.
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well then i will do cardio on my non weight days. i like to mix my cardio up. you ok with hiit sessions fasted or no way
 
i am also considering lowering my am dose of recreate to 1 pill. my appetite i think is being a bit too suppressed. love my recreate though and cant wait to start the ap along with it next week and try the fasted weights
 
I've never had that issue in my life! Well, once, when I tried Venom Hyperdrive, but that also made me feel like I was going to die...

ambulldog said:
i am also considering lowering my am dose of recreate to 1 pill. my appetite i think is being a bit too suppressed.
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USPLabs said:
Mullet wouldn't AP have the same effect on ppar
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Well, TTA and Anabolic Pump significantly impact different PPAR subtypes: TTA affects particular PPARa-responsive genes [via downregulating the enzymes which encode them] whereas Anabolic Pump inhibits PPARy2 not by direct site-binding, but rather by inhibiting co-activation factors such as p3000, or by countering PPARy2's target genes. By limiting target gene expression of PPARa during a workout via TTA, one can ensure that post-workout oxidation of liver fatty acid stores feeds anabolic metabolism in the rested state; utilizing AP prior to a workout inhibits cholesterol and plasma triglyceride synthesis, significantly increasing beta-oxidation whilst working out, and delimits adipocyte proliferation from excess carbohydrate consumption.

Discriminating the actions of the three peroxisome proliferator receptors exactly is difficult, though, particularly in regard to PPARa and PPARy2 as they have a significant degree of overlap in regard to lipid metabolism. In this case, though, the target genes of TTA and AP - and thereby PPARa and PPARy2 respectively - are why I choose to utilize them in this chronology!
 
tribaltek said:
I've never had that issue in my life! Well, once, when I tried Venom Hyperdrive, but that also made me feel like I was going to die...
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I tried Venom back in the day, the stim effect was wild but who knows what it was... hahaha

The appetite suppression fomr Recreate is different, it is more craving related for me. I can still eat, i simply do not eat junk. I love it.
 
borobulker said:
I tried Venom back in the day, the stim effect was wild but who knows what it was... hahaha

The appetite suppression fomr Recreate is different, it is more craving related for me. I can still eat, i simply do not eat junk. I love it.
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I have a very similar experience. It is not a soul-depraving appetite demolishing as with many beta-2 agonists, but, merely an ability to avoid food.
 
I am currently on the six pack stack, PF and Super Cissus Rx is also being stacked with it. Yesterday after taking my second AP, not long after I felt lethargic, and wanted to take a nap. I thought it was just an isolated occurrence but it happened again today. This is my dosing scheme
545 am- 1-RC, 1-AP, 2 Super Cis
0600 Breakfast
1 hr after breakfast 2 PF
1145- 1 AP
12noon Lunch
1645 1-AP
1700 Snack
1730: 2-RC, 2-PF
1800 Gym
2000- Post Workout shake
2045- Post workout meal
2200- 1-C

It seems after the 1145 AP, I feel sleepy. Tomorrow I may eliminate the 2 PF after breakfast, and see how I feel. If I feel ok because of the change, then I will move the 2 after breakfast to before bed. Another option I am considering is taking 2 RC in the am, and just take 1 before the gym. Any suggestions or reasons why the lethargy. Not sure if this may help shed some light, but I am on week 4 of PCT (coming off Epi cycle)
 
ABNRanger said:
I am currently on the six pack stack, PF and Super Cissus Rx is also being stacked with it. Yesterday after taking my second AP, not long after I felt lethargic, and wanted to take a nap. I thought it was just an isolated occurrence but it happened again today. This is my dosing scheme
545 am- 1-RC, 1-AP, 2 Super Cis
0600 Breakfast
1 hr after breakfast 2 PF
1145- 1 AP
12noon Lunch
1645 1-AP
1700 Snack
1730: 2-RC, 2-PF
1800 Gym
2000- Post Workout shake
2045- Post workout meal
2200- 1-C

It seems after the 1145 AP, I feel sleepy. Tomorrow I may eliminate the 2 PF after breakfast, and see how I feel. If I feel ok because of the change, then I will move the 2 after breakfast to before bed. Another option I am considering is taking 2 RC in the am, and just take 1 before the gym. Any suggestions or reasons why the lethargy. Not sure if this may help shed some light, but I am on week 4 of PCT (coming off Epi cycle)
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What is your carbohydrate intake after AP?
 
Not sure of the count, but my meal usually consist of pasta, chicken with vegetables. Yesterday I had chicken with vegetables and dumplins. Today I had cajun chicken with pasta and orange juice.
 
ABNRanger said:
Not sure of the count, but my meal usually consist of pasta, chicken with vegetables. Yesterday I had chicken with vegetables and dumplins. Today I had cajun chicken with pasta and orange juice.
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How many cups of pasta would you say you are using? White or whole grain? It could very well be an issue of insufficient carbohydrate intake causing a transient state of glucose depravation. Attempt to increase the carbohydrate intake slightly next dose and report back!
 
Roughly two cups of pasta. I eat a whole pack of those skillet sensations or Stouffers. Tomorrow I will add some sweet potatoes to my lunch and see how that helps. Thanks for the response.
 
ABNRanger said:
Roughly two cups of pasta. I eat a whole pack of those skillet sensations or Stouffers. Tomorrow I will add some sweet potatoes to my lunch and see how that helps. Thanks for the response.
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Change it to whole-grain pasta instead, ABN. The Insulin Index [serum pancreatic insulin response after blood sugar increases] from white pasta is astronomical. This means a very acute increase in blood sugar and adjacent insulin-induced storage, and then an underlying condition of low BGlu [low blood sugar]. The body does not have enough BGlu for normal function, and you feel sluggish and lethargic. I would make the switch to whole-grain anyway!
 
Once again you have proven why your knowledge is so well respected. As much as I hate the taste of wheat pasta. For some reason no matter how I prepare it, it still taste like card board and is bland. On my way to the recipe section to see what I find. I will make the change and report back.
 
ABNRanger said:
Once again you have proven why your knowledge is so well respected. As much as I hate the taste of wheat pasta. For some reason no matter how I prepare it, it still taste like card board and is bland. On my way to the recipe section to see what I find. I will make the change and report back.
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Mullet is no joke, best respect it...

I personally prefer the taste of the Whole Wheat pasta. I cant wait to see if this helps.
 
ABNRanger said:
Once again you have proven why your knowledge is so well respected. As much as I hate the taste of wheat pasta. For some reason no matter how I prepare it, it still taste like card board and is bland. On my way to the recipe section to see what I find. I will make the change and report back.
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Put a small amount of olive oil in while cooking, and then sprinkle with paprika, chili powder and pepper when you are toss-straining it.
 
Well guys I switched to the whole wheat pasta, even add sweet potatoes, still felt lethargic. I was having a hard time keeping my eyes open, I kept yawning, my eyes was running water. I got my WMS today, and I going to pick up some ON carb complex protein, I will see how adding those will affect me. Besides the lethargic feeling, I am loving the stack.
 
ABNRanger said:
Well guys I switched to the whole wheat pasta, even add sweet potatoes, still felt lethargic. I was having a hard time keeping my eyes open, I kept yawning, my eyes was running water. I got my WMS today, and I going to pick up some ON carb complex protein, I will see how adding those will affect me. Besides the lethargic feeling, I am loving the stack.
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How much of the pasta did you use?
 
ABNRanger said:
I am currently on the six pack stack, PF and Super Cissus Rx is also being stacked with it. Yesterday after taking my second AP, not long after I felt lethargic, and wanted to take a nap. I thought it was just an isolated occurrence but it happened again today. This is my dosing scheme
545 am- 1-RC, 1-AP, 2 Super Cis
0600 Breakfast
1 hr after breakfast 2 PF
1145- 1 AP
12noon Lunch
1645 1-AP
1700 Snack
1730: 2-RC, 2-PF
1800 Gym
2000- Post Workout shake
2045- Post workout meal
2200- 1-C

It seems after the 1145 AP, I feel sleepy. Tomorrow I may eliminate the 2 PF after breakfast, and see how I feel. If I feel ok because of the change, then I will move the 2 after breakfast to before bed. Another option I am considering is taking 2 RC in the am, and just take 1 before the gym. Any suggestions or reasons why the lethargy. Not sure if this may help shed some light, but I am on week 4 of PCT (coming off Epi cycle)
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Do not underestimate the power of AP. Drop the 11:45 dose all together..what does your snack consist of?
 
My snack usually consist of 2 grilled chicken tortillas, but today I had that plus 2 slices of raisen bread. I had two and half cups of pasta and a large sweet potato
 
Well I started my stack today, My weight this morning was 187 with my PT gear and shoes on right after morning cardio, so when ever I weigh in again I'll make sure it will be the same.

I am having a hard time finding the right carbs for the AP, my choices here are limited to Bagles, Instant oatmeal, fruit, and dry cereal (go lean crunch is the only kind I like) and pleanty of bad choices, I was thinking oatmeal for breakfast and Go lean crunch after workout.
 
I am considering taking a month off everything, and allow my body to go back to "scratch", then start fresh with the six pack stack. I feel within the past six months I have put so much in my body:
Omnevol, Novedex XT, Reversitol, DTH, DT2010, Sunami, Epistane, Torem, now Powerfull, AP, RC, Super Cis. That may be a small amount compared to others, and I may be going about this the wrong way. I just want this to work, today at the gym, I did not have any motivation, but I was determined to stay thru the workout. My knees are recovering, but my rotator cuff is still shot, so working chest, or shoulders are almost impossible. Not whining, just listening to my body, it may need a break from all this. I have not made my decision what direction I will go; I will sleep on it. Feedback and input welcome
 
tribaltek said:
That was a SNACK?
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haha, no I was actually responding to two questions.
1: what was my snack?- 2 tortillas with grilled chicken, and two slices of raisen bread.

2: How much pasta did I eat?- 2 1/2 cups, plus a large sweet potato.
Sorry for the mixup.
 
A few changes since on the stack (not sure if it is normal {good or bad}
Lethargic feeling after taking AP
Going to the bathroom after taking AP (stool color change-yellow)-[sorry for the description.]
urinating more frequently (sometimes every 10 or 15 minutes) not sure which is causing that.

Positive:
Not craving anything bad to eat, and appetite not suppressed for the good stuff.
Good energy
I feel pumped all the time
Great sleep on the nights I take powerfull before bed
 
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ABNRanger said:
I am considering taking a month off everything, and allow my body to go back to "scratch", then start fresh with the six pack stack. I feel within the past six months I have put so much in my body:
Omnevol, Novedex XT, Reversitol, DTH, DT2010, Sunami, Epistane, Torem, now Powerfull, AP, RC, Super Cis. That may be a small amount compared to others, and I may be going about this the wrong way. I just want this to work, today at the gym, I did not have any motivation, but I was determined to stay thru the workout. My knees are recovering, but my rotator cuff is still shot, so working chest, or shoulders are almost impossible. Not whining, just listening to my body, it may need a break from all this. I have not made my decision what direction I will go; I will sleep on it. Feedback and input welcome
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I hear you man, That might not be a bad idea at all. That is a lot of stress on your endo...
 
i decided to cut my recreate back to 1am 1pm due to app supp issues while taking full dose. am i wasting my time on it then?
 
After 8 weeks off ReCreate, and about 5 months off Anabolic Pump - Im hitting the 6-pack stack.

My workouts will be 4am. Breakdown Supps:

Week 1:

Cissus x 1
ReCreate x 2
SuperSap x 3 ('00')
1-C x1 ('00')
1x Jack3d

intra: 35g BCAAs 5g Mono 5g Jack3d (intraWO-Jack3d baby!)

postWO: NeoVar x4, PSLin (bulk capped) x1

0500:50g Oatmeal w. 40g WPI 25g WMS shake

other meals: 0800 1100 1400 1600 1830

1500hrs 2x ReCreate 1x Cissus

Tapered CHO intake throughout day (1-2 AP) + NeoVar x4 last CHO meal ~1600hrs

bedtime supps: 2x SuperSap 2 x 1-C 2x Cissus (1930)

Week 2 - add in 2x bolic throughout the day (1 preWO, 1 pre-bed)

Weights = 12x trisets, 1m rest, compound dominant 3x week
Cardio = boxing, circuits 2x week

Goals = recomp (bordering on cutting, not at the expensive of strength gains)
Protocol Run = 6 weeks
 
I have a AP question, is 2 a day ok or should I go 3 a day? The reason I ask is I only get 40g a carbs 2 meals a day, breakfast and my post workout meal. I could try to add some carbs to my lunch ut I am trying to cut.

Also I do my morning cardio at 0330 and I don't eat breakfast until 0600 when should I take my first doss of Recreate/DCP right now I take them at about 0530 with my AP.
 
Jaegernaut said:
I have a AP question, is 2 a day ok or should I go 3 a day? The reason I ask is I only get 40g a carbs 2 meals a day, breakfast and my post workout meal. I could try to add some carbs to my lunch ut I am trying to cut.

Also I do my morning cardio at 0330 and I don't eat breakfast until 0600 when should I take my first doss of Recreate/DCP right now I take them at about 0530 with my AP.
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While I am not an expert on the topic, I am responding based on the directions, and advice given to me by the experts. If you were doing the fasted training routine, then you would take the supps upon rising. If not, then take them 15 mins prior to your breakfast. I hope this helps. Oh btw, as advised, for best results, try to take AP 15 mins before eating, with that being said, consider taking your AP at 0545 instead of 0530. Post your whole meal plan and workout plan with times, so Mullet or Borobulker can offer more precise advice.
 
tribaltek said:
I hope I have your issue next week ambulldog!
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it was about week 3 where i noticed i didnt want to eat. cravings were gone for sure, but i also had to eat by the clock because i wasnt hungry at all. that was a little too much for me. the 1 and 1 seems much better. no cravings for carbs at all but still good app
 
Ok guys, update to my mid day lethargy issue: I am not sure what the science is behind the dosing protocol, but here is how I changed it to suit me. If this is wrong for some scientific reason that could affect me negatively, please let me know. I have only tried this today, will follow up tomorrow. I got rid of the first thing in the am RC; I still took the AP. I took another AP, and 2 RC at 1145, so far so good, no lethargic feeling. This might just be a band aid to an underlying issue. I still took 2 PF 1 hr after breakfast, will see how things go for the rest of the day. Please let me know if this dosing scheme is ok or not. Today is my off day for the gym, how should I take my next dosage of PF and RC? Usually I take 2 PF and 2 RC 30 mins before gym.
 
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