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Sarm S4

I used it a few times already and never more than 4 weeks, the dosages have been from 50mg to 200mg and honestly there is not much difference. I never experienced any feelings that would indicate there was a "shut down" of any kind.

Yes, the vision tints and adjustment from light to dark is annoying but it goes away after 2 or 3 days of discontinuance and vision goes back to normal. Because it is unknown why this happens or how, I personally would not use S-4 for too long unless I using smaller dosages of 25mg to 50mg daily , in fact I will start a 2 month cycle using 25mg daily split in 2 dosages, I may bump it up to 50mg but I won't unless I feel absolutely nothing. I will not use anything else but my vitamins/mineral and protein.

I think S-4 is great for MMA athletes since it gives the strength AAS would give without looking like you are using any plus I do not think it would on a steroid drug test, at least not yet.
Not saying S-4 won't give you any muscle because it will but not that extra water and fat some gain from using AAS.
S-4 is great for strength , body comp, endurance, muscle hardness,fat loss and more.
Thanks
 
Darron Bryant said:
I say the more info/feedback from people using S4 the better so feel free to post away.

Darron
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thanks D for letting me 'hijack' lol

my experience,

straight 150mg/day of S4 from the first batch for two weeks, just like you it took 2-3 days feel the overall hardness and slight strength increase. but right off the bat i was one of those who felt aggression and excitability. I was able to sleep at night but i could get myself hopped up you know? like energized for some reason.

libido was not affected, it went up,

no weight gain but the hardness was nice, vascularity was minimal but it increased. Strength went up steadily but nothing crazy (comparable to low dose test cycle)

im one of those that are still not sure if it shuts down or not, until bloodwork.

i did not get any vision effects (first batch) but at 150mg my nips got sore, no growth of any kind, but stingy little bit. nothing major, went away once stopped no further aggravation other than stingy feeling.

every since then i havent used S4 by itself, these days what i do is take 50-100mg preworkout everyday even on off days (currently taking hormones since november) no sides with stacking.

just nice overall energy that i need, works well with preworkout stims. Feels like helps me with strength increase too. I went up to 150mg/day stacked with hormones for a few weeks got real strong i thought it was from something else but when i backed down to 50mg/day i felt that it was S4 that made me strong.

Darron, what about pumps? this is what i noticed; you get pumped fast and real tight, but it goes away pretty fast after done working out, now this is comparing it to EQ pumps lol. but naturally i dont think nothing gets you hard and pumped like this other than OTC prosteroids out there.

my review is that i like the stuff and its a great chem to have all the time as i find it versatile and interesting...many ways to use it, stack it with gear (what would happen stack it with non-AR mediated gear? or AR-mediated gear? fun experiment) or PCT, or after PCT, or during cruise (good idea there)

anyways, looking forward to a new SARM as well,

keep the feedbacks coming Darron and others. THere has to be more than a handful of people LOL
 
Day 8 on Sarm S4 and I love how this product is working. My pumps during workouts come on very quick and hard. They last for hours after my workouts. Endurance and strength has increased and I am leaning out/looking more vascular. So far no vision problems and I am still taking 150 mgs per day.



Body Weight - 353 lbs.



Darron
 
Darron Bryant said:
Day 8 on Sarm S4 and I love how this product is working. My pumps during workouts come on very quick and hard. They last for hours after my workouts. Endurance and strength has increased and I am leaning out/looking more vascular. So far no vision problems and I am still taking 150 mgs per day.



Body Weight - 353 lbs.



Darron
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I think the dosage is just right for your weight, enough to give you good results and minimal side effects.

The early studies suggest 1mg to 3mg per kilogram of bodyweight so I am calculating you are using about a little less than 1mg/kilo of bodyweight so a 200Lb researcher should could use about 75mg to 80mg daily and get good results too and possibly minimal side effects.

Darron, may I please ask if you are splitting your dosages and if so how?

Thanks
 
nice.

Darron. What are your lifting styles? Heavy? High reps?Endurance? Weight loss? Powerlifting?
Just curious as to how youre applying use.


Also, What do people think of a PCT use for this?
 
Maradona said:
I think the dosage is just right for your weight, enough to give you good results and minimal side effects.

The early studies suggest 1mg to 3mg per kilogram of bodyweight so I am calculating you are using about a little less than 1mg/kilo of bodyweight so a 200Lb researcher should could use about 75mg to 80mg daily and get good results too and possibly minimal side effects.

Darron, may I please ask if you are splitting your dosages and if so how?

Thanks
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I take it in three doses (am befor working out, midday and then later in pm befor bed). It works out to about 4 or 5 hours between the doses.

Darron
 
MentalTwitch said:
nice.

Darron. What are your lifting styles? Heavy? High reps?Endurance? Weight loss? Powerlifting?
Just curious as to how youre applying use.


Also, What do people think of a PCT use for this?
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I lift 4 days per week with a little cadio thrown in when I can. I lean towards high reps for the most part but I do throw in a heavy/lower rep workouts from time to time. At this point in my life I am dropping bodyfat slowly and maintaining if not adding quality muscle as I go.

Darron
 
I've been reading that S4 is the same as Ostarine. Is there any difference? If not the dosages seem to be much different. I believe in the trials for PhaseII Ostarine was only using 3mg. I understand the different application; but, the dose is really high in this thread..no?
 
RichTan said:
I've been reading that S4 is the same as Ostarine. Is there any difference? If not the dosages seem to be much different. I believe in the trials for PhaseII Ostarine was only using 3mg. I understand the different application; but, the dose is really high in this thread..no?
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The result of the study was an increase of 1.4 kg LBM after 3 months at 3mg/day. And that's for 60 year-old men.
 
RichTan said:
I've been reading that S4 is the same as Ostarine. Is there any difference? If not the dosages seem to be much different. I believe in the trials for PhaseII Ostarine was only using 3mg. I understand the different application; but, the dose is really high in this thread..no?
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Yes it is supposed to be the same but not 100% sure, would need to compare Ostarine's nomenclature against S-4's and see if both are the same.

Still, keep in mind the studies suggested 1mg to 3mg per kilogram of bodyweight so it may be they left the " per kilo" part out? Or could 3mg be a clinical dosage?

I do know only 50mg works well.
 
Maradona said:
Yes it is supposed to be the same but not 100% sure, would need to compare Ostarine's nomenclature against S-4's and see if both are the same.

Still, keep in mind the studies suggested 1mg to 3mg per kilogram of bodyweight so it may be they left the " per kilo" part out? Or could 3mg be a clinical dosage?

I do know only 50mg works well.
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This is taken orally... correct?
 
Since Darron hasnt posted anything lately i can update on my experiment with s-4....my rat's been on it for 2 weeks at only 50mg/day and has decent results...up three pounds and he looks more vascular...strength has increased slightly but nothing drastic...he's also on cjc/ghrp6 so hard to tell what's what....the only side effects to report so far are sore joints and increased libido
 
No cap form yet. I was contemplating fish oil gels and using a slin pin to fill them with S4. Its not worth the time.

Just chase it with some liquid. Some guys put it in their shakes. Not sure how stable this stuff is outside the bottle and in another liquid. So i feel better just to get it right in and be done with it.
 
dmetz said:
how does this compare price wise to MGF/IGF?
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Some say MGF is worthless others stack it with so much you cant evern tell the difference. IGF is a slow proccess but provides gains that will last but very costly. S4 thus far as been moderate gains in muscle, fat loss and increase in strength.
I can say becausei havent researched the first 2. Over the next few months i plan to though.

EDIT: lso it acts in a completely different way than them. Its stakcbale IMO with any peptide. Since the S4 is more anabolic based.
 
youknoww said:
Since Darron hasnt posted anything lately i can update on my experiment with s-4....my rat's been on it for 2 weeks at only 50mg/day and has decent results...up three pounds and he looks more vascular...strength has increased slightly but nothing drastic...he's also on cjc/ghrp6 so hard to tell what's what....the only side effects to report so far are sore joints and increased libido
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So you're on 50mg/ED, have you noticed any side effects other than sore joints and increased libido such as night vision problems at this dose?
 
MuscleBound1337 said:
So you're on 50mg/ED, have you noticed any side effects other than sore joints and increased libido such as night vision problems at this dose?
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the sore joints are more than likely from the increased gh output from the cjc/ghrp...havent seen any reports of s-4 causing joint issues w/anyone else so that's my conclusion...no vision problems w/such a low dose...most vision problems have been occuring in experiments w/the dosing above 100mg
 
How would s4 respond in a teen? If its a bad idea just let me know,i realize it pry is but figure it doesnt hurt to ask being as i know absolutely nothing about it, will hit up the search in a sec
 
panther77 said:
How would s4 respond in a teen? If its a bad idea just let me know,i realize it pry is but figure it doesnt hurt to ask being as i know absolutely nothing about it, will hit up the search in a sec
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well oddly enough, we cant really say. There is hardly any info out on it and they are in no rush to keep going.
I would say stay away for awhile, i know i contadict myself because im researching it, but i would wait and keep gaining natural for awhile.
 
alright, i'll pry do some more research on it cuz it is intriguing. will stay away from it for the time being tho
 
panther77 said:
alright, i'll pry do some more research on it cuz it is intriguing. will stay away from it for the time being tho
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yea but heres where we run into the issue (we being the community) theres no info. The info released is on a few SARMs in general, not specific to S4. So its going to take some time before it gets up and running. Plus, from current reviews, it does seem to be the next biggest thing, but a big thing.
 
well dammit all to hell lol i hate not being able to gain knowledge about something... especially not the next big thing haha
 
I just purchased 2 bottles of this stuff and I'm going to run it with some tbol in march I'll let you guys know how it turns out. I'll be running tbol at 50mg and S-4 at 100mg for 4 weeks. Nothing crazy just a quick simple cycle.
 
s-4 is okay its nothin like anabolics IMO...strength is no where near the same but pumps are good and leaning out a bit even with a lean bulk type diet...probly wont run it again after i'm done w/what i have..a lot of other stuff that is cheaper and provides much better results

oh yeah the one really good thing about it is no signs at all of shutdown
 
youknoww said:
s-4 is okay its nothin like anabolics IMO...strength is no where near the same but pumps are good and leaning out a bit even with a lean bulk type diet...probly wont run it again after i'm done w/what i have..a lot of other stuff that is cheaper and provides much better results

oh yeah the one really good thing about it is no signs at all of shutdown
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Length on? Dosage? Your weight?
 
moondg29 said:
Length on? Dosage? Your weight?
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goin on three weeks now....dosing @ 50mg a day split in two....6'2 and current weight is 228...not really sure about body fat but i have abs visible so i'm guessing 10-11%....most people are dosing @ 100mg but I wanted to get two runs outta this...might try the rest in a pct later on not real sure...don't get me wrong I've noticed results but just nothing really drastic
 
youknoww said:
goin on three weeks now....dosing @ 50mg a day split in two....6'2 and current weight is 228...not really sure about body fat but i have abs visible so i'm guessing 10-11%....most people are dosing @ 100mg but I wanted to get two runs outta this...might try the rest in a pct later on not real sure...don't get me wrong I've noticed results but just nothing really drastic
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50mg a day?

I thought that some people were dosing 150 3x a day. No?
 
moondg29 said:
50mg a day?

I thought that some people were dosing 150 3x a day. No?
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i dont think...i've seen as high as 200 a day...i've also seen a couple where people said they really didnt notice a difference b/w 100 and 50..obviously if i had more i'd run more but i wanna test it by itself and possibly durin pct
 
I cut my Epi cycle short due to sickness. S4 for PCT. 3 days in and sore and feelign good.

What do you guys with a bit more experience and knowledge think about stacking with anabolics? worth it? overkill? cancel out? I know we are not 100% sure on exact actions of this stuff.
 
from what I have seen, there are people stakcing with anabolics and using pct, or between cycles, seems like it is pretty versatile, I still have not seen bloodwork to show conclusively that it is not suppressive, but from the feedback, seems like it is mildly at most, especially at sane dosages (100-150 mgs per day). I think that at 5 on 2 off protocal for 4-6 weeks, the suppression would be mild, maybe not the best thing to take immediatley in pct as it may slightly hinder, or lengthen the time to recover, but probably not suppressive enough to cause problems after recovery (again, this is just my own thoughts based on others feedback). In my opinion, if you are going to be on, then be on, there are not many things that really work that can be taken between cycles, I say if this is one of them, then save it for that. Although, if you have enough then go for it.
 
well I'll be using this with tbol, then again probably a month after PCT. For now I won't run it during PCT because no one is sure if it is suppressive and i don't want to take the chance. I'll get blood work done my 2nd time around using this stuff by itself to see what my LH level is at.

Why run it 5 on 2 off? wouldn't you want to keep this built up in your system? The half life is 4 hrs so if you stop for 2 days i imagine it would be out of your system within the 2 days.
 
5 on 2 off was recommended by someone with a lot more knoweldge than I a while ago. I think this was to help minimize any suppression, I dont think that the 2 days is enough to greatly hinder the effectiveness, but with a new compound like this, each persons feedback is going to increase the knowledge base. there are people who dont do ed dosing of test base, winny, and still get good results, and those have no ester, may be a bad comparison. I also think it depends on goals with the product, if looking to bridge and minimize suppression then 5 on 2 off I think would be a good way to at least test it out, if not worried about suppression then ed dosing would work fine.
 
youknoww said:
the sore joints are more than likely from the increased gh output from the cjc/ghrp...havent seen any reports of s-4 causing joint issues w/anyone else so that's my conclusion...no vision problems w/such a low dose...most vision problems have been occuring in experiments w/the dosing above 100mg
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That is correct, S4 does not cause sore joints.
 
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