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Best TIME to take 3-AD on 3-AD/Havoc Stack?

BigFish80

BigFish80

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OK....... so I have a this stack coming up. I'm starting on pre-cycle on Feb 15th.

PRE-CYCLE
Wk1: Cycle Support, Animal Flex, Super Cissus
Wk2: Cycle Support, Animal Flex, Super Cissus

Other Supplement on Pre-Cycle:
-Multi
-Fishoils


CYCLE
Wk1: 3-AD (4-6 pills)
Wk2: 3-AD (6 pills) / Havoc 30mg
Wk3: 3-AD (6 pills) / Havoc 30mg
Wk4: 3-AD (6 pills) / Havoc 40mg
Wk5: Havoc 40mg

Other supplements while on cycle:
-Multi
-Fishoils
-Cycle support by AI
-Super Cissus Rx by USP
-Animal Flex
-RPM by AN **only to combat lethargy pre-workout IF NEEDED


PCT
Wk1: Nolva (30mg first 4 days then 20mg), aPCT, DTHC, Sustain Alpha(??)
Wk2: Nolva 20mg, aPCT, DTHC, Sustain Alpha(??)
Wk3: Nolva 10mg, aPCT, Lean FX, DTHC, Sustain Alpha(??)
Wk4: Nolva 10mg, aPCT, Lean FX, DTHC, Sustain Alpha(??)

Other supplements during PCT:
-Multi
-Fishoils
-Cycle support by AI
-Super Cissus Rx by USP
-Animal Flex
-RPM by AN **only to combat lethargy pre-workout
-Pre workout Creatine, NO supplement, Beta-Al supplement(Maybe NP Ultimate MassPump Stack and add in Beta-Al and some Creatine Mono)


CUT
Wk1: DCP, Leviathan Reloaded, Napalm
Wk2: DCP, Leviathan Reloaded, Napalm
Wk3: DCP, Leviathan Reloaded, Napalm
Wk4: DCP, Leviathan Reloaded, Napalm

I know that I am supposed to take the 3-AD with 15-20 grams of fat for every 2 pills that are dosed. So my question is, when I get to the second week of my cycle should I break the 6 pills a day into 2 doses of 3 pills or 3 doses of 2 pills? Which would be more effective? In addition, should the Havoc be taken along side the 3-AD or at different times during the day? I'm guessing it would be better to take the Havic and 3-AD at different times during the day. What do the AXperts think? Since there is such a lack of info on this stack, I do plan on logging it. I thought you AXholes would like me to log it due to how heavy on the AX products the stack was. You guys make great stuff! Any suggestions on the stack are much welcomed, as I'd love to hear them.
 
You will want to take Havoc at a different time. 17a-alkylated steroids are best taken on an empty stomach. They are absorbed so well, and are so lipophilic that taking along with large amounts of fat will cause a portion of it to go "down the drain", with unabsorbed fats.

As per dosing options, it really all depends on which is easier. There should not exist a significant difference between 2 caps 3x daily or 3 caps 2x daily. If you really wanted to, I don't see why you couldn't even dose it at 1 cap 6x per day (but that would really be a hassel, wouldn't it?). In my eyes, I think 2 caps 3x would be easier, as 30-35g of fats would be a lot for one sitting. Let it also be known that if you take that many fats in the form of oil in one sitting, it becomes a laxative, and you don't get a whole lot of absorption going on.
 
OK.... so 2 pills 3 times a day it is oppisite of the Havoc. Sinner, I also be curious to get your thoughts on this entire stack if you don't mind. I am very methodical about my stacks and have been planning this one since last Oct, so I'd like to get some input from someone who is as experienced and technical as you are. Include all the details as I have a masters in Nutrition and work in the field of Molecular Genetics and can definitly follow along. Thanks for the help.
 
I'm a bit confused by your "cutting". Are you cutting during your cycle? During PCT? or after all of that?
 
thesinner said:
I'm a bit confused by your "cutting". Are you cutting during your cycle? During PCT? or after all of that?
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All of these (pre-cycle, cycle, PCT, Cut) will be run consecutively not at the same time. So it should look like....

PRE-CYCLE
Wk1: Cycle Support, Animal Flex, Super Cissus
Wk2: Cycle Support, Animal Flex, Super Cissus

Other Supplement on Pre-Cycle:
-Multi
-Fishoils


CYCLE
Wk3: 3-AD (4-6 pills)
Wk4: 3-AD (6 pills) / Havoc 30mg
Wk5: 3-AD (6 pills) / Havoc 30mg
Wk6: 3-AD (6 pills) / Havoc 40mg
Wk7: Havoc 40mg

Other supplements while on cycle:
-Multi
-Fishoils
-Cycle support by AI
-Super Cissus Rx by USP
-Animal Flex
-RPM by AN **only to combat lethargy pre-workout IF NEEDED


PCT
Wk8: Nolva (30mg first 4 days then 20mg), aPCT, DTHC, Sustain Alpha(??)
Wk9: Nolva 20mg, aPCT, DTHC, Sustain Alpha(??)
Wk10: Nolva 10mg, aPCT, Lean FX, DTHC, Sustain Alpha(??)
Wk11: Nolva 10mg, aPCT, Lean FX, DTHC, Sustain Alpha(??)

Other supplements during PCT:
-Multi
-Fishoils
-Cycle support by AI
-Super Cissus Rx by USP
-Animal Flex
-RPM by AN **only to combat lethargy pre-workout
-Pre workout Creatine, NO supplement, Beta-Al supplement(Maybe NP Ultimate MassPump Stack and add in Beta-Al and some Creatine Mono)


CUT
Wk12: DCP, Leviathan Reloaded, Napalm
Wk13: DCP, Leviathan Reloaded, Napalm
Wk14: DCP, Leviathan Reloaded, Napalm
Wk15: DCP, Leviathan Reloaded, Napalm

I hope this makes more since. Precycle will start on Feb 15th and I will finish up with the cut in late may to early June.
 
I don't see any issues with it.

Maybe cut back on the # of test boosters during post cycle. And AI and SERM should be more than enough to get your "boys" back, no sense using them all at once.
 
That's a lot of supplements! I have to agree with Sinner...

I'm sure you'll have some great results with "all" of those...
 
Yeah, its an addiction I have. I've been planning and gathering supplements for this for about 4 months. I've decided that in PCT I am just going to go with Nolva, cycle support, aPCT, and lean FX (Beginning of 3rd week of PCT). I'll hold the DTCH and Sustain Alpha in reserve just incase I'm not coming coming back fast enough. Thats the plan anyway.
 
My opinion...do the cut FIRST - The Havoc will lean you out anyways, even with a bit of a dirty diet.

Don't try to cut weight after you just gained a lot of muscle, or you will no doubt loose much of your gains.
 
^^^I will have to agree. A few years ago (before I discovered this place) I made the mistake of cutting after my first true all out bulk and I lost a lot more mass than I probably should have.

Mentally, it's always hard for me to cut now b/c I have that innate fear of losing mass like I did a few years ago, lol.
 
Guys, thanks for the concern. Not my first rodeo, fellas. I tend to hold onto the gains better than most. The problem at this point with doing the cut now is that it's still winter and SUMMER IS A WAYS OUT! At the current schedule I'll come in nice and lean in early to mid-June. Just right. I reallize the havoc will lean me out, as I've taken it twice before and seen the drying out effect first hand. I think, however, this might be minimized do to 3-AD's somewhat wet nature not to mention I have to consume an extra 45-60+ grams of FAT a day while taking the 3-AD. At minimum thats an additional 405 to 540 additional calories in the diet from fat. I plan on doing it the right way with PB, EVOO, Flax, and Fish oil. Wet compound and extra calories, not really my idea of an ideal cutting senario, but I do hear what both of you are saying. Lastly, I don't plan on doing anything to put my gains from this at risk. This isn't exactly set in stone. I'm a big fan of feel your way through, mind you, prepare for the worst, but trust how you feel and your instincts. If I don't feel as though the gains are solid, I push back the cut.

BigFish
 
Orangepeel, whats the deal? I thought you were planning on running this the same 3-AD/Havoc stack. Are still working on it, or are you moving forward with a different stack idea?
 
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