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monsterbox said:
Do you think the gyno was prolactin or estrogen? Did you pre-load p-5-p/l-dopa/b6/vitex??? Phera doesn't convert to estrogen which is why I don't understand how you had gyno that would be treated with nolva/letro. Maybe you just had puffy nipples from water?

I have 20pills of reversitol left over from my last cycle's pct...I guess I could use 2/day for the last 10 days. It contains ATD, 6bromo....I'd rather not because I don't want to decrease the IGF-1 properties of the steroid.
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I didn't use any vit b6 or p5p apart from a small dose from multi vitamin. Without blood tests its hard to say what caused it exactly all i know is that letro and even nolva alone worked to reduce it... i did have a bit of gyno before i even started hormonal supplements so its not suprising it flared up. phera plex isn't supposed to convert to estrogen... but really who knows... i found that i gained more fat than water due to increase in appetite. I didn't lose any weght after cycle so i would assume the extra pudgy stuff was fat not water... I did eat like a fat bastard so again no suprise there. I'd like to stack it with a dry compound that increases strength... i'm thinking and estra compound.. :firedevil:
 
I also don't think you taking p-plex had much at all to do with u ending up smashed and in the er after drinking... of course it would have impared your liver and made alcohol metabolism slow but i think it's mainly due to the fact that you have no tolerance to alcohol and you drank straight spirits was the main reason... obvioulsly drinking and methyls isn't a brilliant idea but i've been silly enough to drink mid way through cycle... i didn't take anything the day of drinking or the day after and had at least 15 standard drinks and i had no noticable side effects. I felt pretty average the next day but no worse. This was not smart at all and i don't condone drinking while on orals at all. actually i don't condone drinking at all... even though i do enjoy it on occasion :D
 
crazyfool405 said:
because i was too lazy to type steroid :)

it was easier to type that.:rambo:
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monsterbox said:
because it classifies it as a legal oral steroid.
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Here a lil bit of background info for you lazy Mofos :deal:
Phera (deoxymethyltestosterone) is an anabolic steroid first desribed in 1963. Never approved as a therapeutic drug. The steroid was dug up many years later and released by supplement companies as pheraplex p-plex pherabol(you get the point). Soon the fda demanded the production must be stopped. many companies voluntarily stopped selling the drug. Phera does not aromatize in the body,but may have some ability to bind to estrogen and progesterone receptors. Most dmt users report lean gains,though few do get some bloat. phera is not effected by 5-alpha reductase enzyme so using finasteride to prevent hair loss would be ineffective. I would consider it a gray area steroid soon to be ban listed. though the law states anything related to testosterone is a controlled substance(loose term so they could ban whatever they want!). i think the drug has to be specifically written into the law.
 
Didnt you say in another thread that you were only 19? If thats the case that you must have started using at 18 considering you said you did 2 other cycles. Once again if this is true then perhaps you should quit the cycle before any more damage is done. If this is not true then I sincerely apologize, but Im pretty sure I saw that recently.
 
monsterbox said:
Slight Improvements...maybe :/

Felt more fullness throughout the day...everyone says I look bigger but I disagree and so does the scale.

Decent pump today with shoulder workout, but my elbow bothered me a little bit and my strength was down.

I usually take about 200mg of caf. before the gym or some kind of stim, today I did not and I felt dragging ass....I had plenty of carbs and protein however.


Scale says 181.5 at the gym. Average at my home scale is 182. This obviously means I'm leaner as I weighed 185 solid a few weeks ago with slightly less muscle.


The good things:
-more vascularity again
Bad things:
no strength, or ON feelings


I hope that I wake up a few days from now and this sh*t makes me feel like chris benoit magically.
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You'll look bigger as you start retaining more glycogen, I'm about to do a phera, and have used it in the past. My buddy is an expert on the stuff, even made his own product, but I am going to stack with Havoc.
 
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Marsh11 said:
Didnt you say in another thread that you were only 19? If thats the case that you must have started using at 18 considering you said you did 2 other cycles. Once again if this is true then perhaps you should quit the cycle before any more damage is done. If this is not true then I sincerely apologize, but Im pretty sure I saw that recently.
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I've never posted my age on this forum. And i'm above the ages you've mentioned. No more discussion on this please.







As for todays update.

Today is an off-day, nothing new, no weight gain, no bloat, no extra pump...In fact I feel less glycogen retention than when I'm on my EAS Phosphagen HP. This stuff better pick up soon, because right now I'd much rather be on creatine instead of wasting my HPTA on this uselessness. I'm hoping that because I'm not feeling much effects that these 10 days haven't caused much suppression?

As of today pplex=fail , again.
 
repmks said:
Here a lil bit of background info for you lazy Mofos :deal:
Phera (deoxymethyltestosterone) is an anabolic steroid first desribed in 1963. Never approved as a therapeutic drug. The steroid was dug up many years later and released by supplement companies as pheraplex p-plex pherabol(you get the point). Soon the fda demanded the production must be stopped. many companies voluntarily stopped selling the drug. Phera does not aromatize in the body,but may have some ability to bind to estrogen and progesterone receptors. Most dmt users report lean gains,though few do get some bloat. phera is not effected by 5-alpha reductase enzyme so using finasteride to prevent hair loss would be ineffective. I would consider it a gray area steroid soon to be ban listed. though the law states anything related to testosterone is a controlled substance(loose term so they could ban whatever they want!). i think the drug has to be specifically written into the law.
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i know what DMT is lol

it also messes with aldosterone which is why its considered a "wet" steroid. but itts really dry gains and the bloat is similar to what you get from anadrol with the aldosterone
 
crazyfool405 said:
i know what DMT is lol

it also messes with aldosterone which is why its considered a "wet" steroid. but itts really dry gains and the bloat is similar to what you get from anadrol with the aldosterone
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haha....I think people use the term PH for OTC stuff. Its better to tell people who see the bottle on your counter without having to explain what kind of "steroid" it is..
 
ok guys how many more days should I wait? Right now I'm seriously not thinking its going to work anymore. I kinda want to can this and switch to superdrol for next 3 weeks?


No water gains, no weight gains, no pump, no back pumps, no cramps, no thirst, no extra pissing....NOTHING...bad batch?
 
i dunno it seems that some of these clones are not fully dosed, something seems off, also maybe the liver protectors if your using contain milk thistle which prvent the androgen receptor to get to the nucleus, which prevents protein sythesis, which is what we want. It all seems that the liver protectors and i guess the CEL P-plex is not fully dosed to get the desired effect. If you can get to AX Phera-Plex I hear nothing but greatness from that.

Good Luck
 
Why not just relax man? I'm just lurking and read your thread, and I think your anxiety comes from obsessing over this stuff, not the dang compound.

There is stuff to life other than gaining a pound a day. Geez, just lift and see how it turns out...you are already "in," stop worrying! Lift, eat, stop worrying about how it "feels"...you are taking it to gain mass, right, not as a friggen antidepressant or mood booster?

I wish you luck, but please, relaaaaaaaaax.
 
monsterbox said:
ok guys how many more days should I wait? Right now I'm seriously not thinking its going to work anymore. I kinda want to can this and switch to superdrol for next 3 weeks?


No water gains, no weight gains, no pump, no back pumps, no cramps, no thirst, no extra pissing....NOTHING...bad batch?
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stop being impatient just keep going with it. if it doesn't work big deal you got sugar pills. if it is legit you should get some good gains. phera is a really good drug. you make it sound like your life is running on one cycle. as the other guy said relaxxx. eat well lift and dont worry about the phera. if its real it will kick in.
 
repmks said:
stop being impatient just keep going with it. if it doesn't work big deal you got sugar pills. if it is legit you should get some good gains. phera is a really good drug. you make it sound like your life is running on one cycle. as the other guy said relaxxx. eat well lift and dont worry about the phera. if its real it will kick in.
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haha you guys are right...its just i've been planning this cycle for about 3 months and Ive been so so pumped about running some real deal stuff here. I guess I've become a a good deal OCD about side effects, results, etc:laughing: I tend to overthink alot of things
 
conwict said:
Why not just relax man? I'm just lurking and read your thread, and I think your anxiety comes from obsessing over this stuff, not the dang compound.

There is stuff to life other than gaining a pound a day. Geez, just lift and see how it turns out...you are already "in," stop worrying! Lift, eat, stop worrying about how it "feels"...you are taking it to gain mass, right, not as a friggen antidepressant or mood booster?

I wish you luck, but please, relaaaaaaaaax.
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THANK YOU!

what i wanted to say all this time but i couldnt do it without coming off like a ****.
 
I kind of know where monsterbox is coming from. Not necessarily cycle-wise (I've only done one) because I'm pretty much done with obsessing like that...but just in terms of life, or gains from lifting.

Sometimes you DO need someone just to say "relaaaaaaax" :)
 
PPlex is not one of the faster acting PHs. If you wanted 3 or 4 day kick in, you should have went with Super.

But yes, relax.
 
monsterbox said:
so 6 weeks of pp total then? Might be a good idea, no sides right now and BP is perfect.

Would it be okay to throw in epi for those last 2 weeks?
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wait for that time to come then decide imo. You may or may not need to. If by day 20 you still dont see anything then i would question the batch, diet, or training.
 
im gonna question the batch, my 8th day of p-plex dont feel nothing havent gained anything but i have been getting that paranoia stuff, and a tight chest, i can feel my heart beat sometimes i feel like im a rat and you guys are the scientist writing reports on behavior, or mabee thats just the paranoia im suffering. im goining to double the dose today and if nothing good happens then im finished and mabee ill give this stuff to someone else and see if they feel the same .
 
Johnny - I'll take it off your hands dude :) Seriously.

I don't get it...why not just do the whole thing, then - if it doesn't work - you didn't really lose anything compared to stopping early. You can still do another DS cycle.
 
I'm a little over two weeks into my PPlex cycle not feeling to much either, but I am going to finish the 4 week cycle and make judgments then. Worst case scenario would be I wasted 22 bucks. Not to bad in my book!

O' yea and 17 bucks for Liquid Nolv.......
 
sounds like cel might have run out of raws??? or the quality might be questionable the p plex i ran gave me serious lean mass and strength. I have seen phera give users 20lb gains. i think something really might be amiss with the gear but keep going with the cycle. if you don't get anything in a 4-5wk cycle the p-plex you got is bunk.
 
JKurz802 said:
Bought mine from fitfuel.com about a month ago.

07/2010
071508
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same here, 071508


does jack sh*t.


I feel maybe slightly fuller, maybe a TAD bit more strength buts it more than likely just me getting bigger on my own. Its day 13 and i'm the EXACT same weight, maybe less. I have increased sex drive and had some anxiety earlier on...but its almost as if this crap is way underdosed or something. I'm taking 30mg/day here guys. I promise I'm not bullsh*tting or dieting wrong...I've gained 30lbs this year using havoc. Some of the caps aren't even filled to the top...maybe 75% I'm starting to think you get what you paid for...24 bucks isn't alot.


come on in cel reps.

Everyone says to trust CEL....well what about the 19.2mg caps they accidentally produced is mass quantity? Whos to say this batch isn't 5mg...


and for everyone saying its all in my head, then why hasn't my BP raised at all...i've only been taking 500mg of Hawthorne once per day since start of cycle and my BP has actually dropped. Havoc really upped my BP even with hawthorne, and phera is supposed to be way stronger. I have high BP to begin with, and hawthorne must be preloaded.


I'm NOT directly pointing any fingers at CEL or making any claims yet, Im just disappointed in my results so far. You guys keep telling me to relax, etc...well I just came off of a month long cut/harcore prep for this cycle so that I would maximize output and I'm irritated to not see anything at this point. Whether i'm a non-responder, not waiting long enough, or bad gear....its still slightly irritating. I do all of my Relaxing off-cycle...when I'm on cycle, I give it my all, diet, concentration, focus, performance. Its not worth putting your liver/hpta through 4 weeks of something for nothing.
 
I'm taking nothing for blood pressure and mine is perfect. I check it 3 times a day.

I've lost the 2 lbs I gained due to the fact that I stopped taking creatine a week into my PP cycle. hummm ????
 
That is my batch as well. However, I am stacking with Xtreme Tren so it might be covering up the P-Plex effect or lack there of. I am just done with week 1 of P-Plex so I am not expecting anything yet though.
 
ok well you should research this batch more now. Looks like you guys are on to something. I just checked my bottle and good thing mine is different haha.
 
of course. No need to be sarcastic (if I understood that correctly). Just contact CEL give them your batch number and tell them yourself along with a few others have had minimal results. Request the lab test as well
 
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