Cytomel help...

[Xenabuffyfan]

I have worked my way up to 100 mcg on cytomel tabs. Blood test confirmed they are legit due to the fact that my tsh is low and I experience sweating, increased appetite, trembling and very regular bathroom visits.

One problem though. With a clean diet and training I am still not losing weight after two weeks. You would think at 100 mcg I would at least lose something.

Are there any things that could cause T3 to not perform its functions in the body weight loss wise? My estrogen levels are in check as I'm on an AI, and the only thing I could think of is either adrenal fatigue or excess cortisol. I took Lean Xtreme concurrently however it still didn't help. I know adequate cortisol levels and adrenal function is needed as well. So I'm taking 100 mg of regular DHEA a day with the AI to prevent aromatization.

Any really smart guys/experts out there who might know some reasons for legit t3 not doing its job in a euthyroid guy?

 

[crazyfool405]

did u get TSH T4 and T3 tests done?

whats your temperature upon rising?

 

[papapumpsd]

Your avatar indicates you're 135lbs. If this is true, what weight are you hoping to lose? Why are you on high levels of T3?

 

[crazyfool405]

if you hit a plataeu with weight loss decrease calories by 5% and increase cardio,

but as the above poster said, what are you trying to lose at that weight?

 

[Xenabuffyfan]

Your avatar indicates you're 135lbs. If this is true, what weight are you hoping to lose? Why are you on high levels of T3?

One word fellas, prednisone.

An allergy flare-up, asthma reaction led to some nasty prednisone sides. I put on about 10 pounds without change in diet and exercise.

Crazyfool, Here are my blood test numbers...

T3 Uptake - Result: 41.3 Reference: 32.0-48.4%
T4- Result: 2.9 Reference: 6.09-12.23
FTI- Result: 2.95 Reference: 5.93-13.13
TSH: 0.07 Reference: 0.34-5.6 u/IU/ml

 

[crazyfool405]

One word fellas, prednisone.

An allergy flare-up, asthma reaction led to some nasty prednisone sides. I put on about 10 pounds without change in diet and exercise.

Crazyfool, Here are my blood test numbers...

T3 Uptake - Result: 41.3 Reference: 32.0-48.4%
T4- Result: 2.9 Reference: 6.09-12.23
FTI- Result: 2.95 Reference: 5.93-13.13
TSH: 0.07 Reference: 0.34-5.6 u/IU/ml

have you been taking your temperature before you started? this way you can gauge how its going?

seems to be working, but take your temp every morning upon rising for the next week (without the cytomel) and keep traqck of the readings then post them.

 

[Xenabuffyfan]

have you been taking your temperature before you started? this way you can gauge how its going?

seems to be working, but take your temp every morning upon rising for the next week (without the cytomel) and keep traqck of the readings then post them.

Well if I get off the Cytomel now this weight might get worse. I will take my temperature tomorrow morning and post. Right now, I am getting all of the sides of cytomel, sweating in room temperature, lethargy, etc, just no fat loss.

Right now I take it every morning all at once on an empty stomach due to its half life of 2.5 days.

I am wondering if maybe I have adrenal fatigue and I know that can interfere with thyroid hormone medication. Before the prednisone I was on ECY for about a month (which is how I got to where I was. Now I'm at 147 instead of 135.

I am going to ask the doctor if I can test acth levels and cortisol. Right now I am taking DHEA just in case this is my problem as I heard it can help restore adrenal function.

I tried all of my usual dieting and exercise strategies that I had used to whittle down before and its like I'm stuck so I decided to run T3.

 

[crazyfool405]

Well if I get off the Cytomel now this weight might get worse. I will take my temperature tomorrow morning and post. Right now, I am getting all of the sides of cytomel, sweating in room temperature, lethargy, etc, just no fat loss.

Right now I take it every morning all at once on an empty stomach due to its half life of 2.5 days.

I am wondering if maybe I have adrenal fatigue and I know that can interfere with thyroid hormone medication. Before the prednisone I was on ECY for about a month (which is how I got to where I was. Now I'm at 147 instead of 135.

I am going to ask the doctor if I can test acth levels and cortisol. Right now I am taking DHEA just in case this is my problem as I heard it can help restore adrenal function.

I tried all of my usual dieting and exercise strategies that I had used to whittle down before and its like I'm stuck so I decided to run T3.

you should prabably stop taking everything about 2 weeks prior to testing to get a real view on how things are working.

 

[crazyfool405]

are you still on prednisone?>

 

[Xenabuffyfan]

are you still on prednisone?>

I have been off it. Thats the problem.

I hear what you're saying but can't they do a blood test for acth and cortisol levels while still on cytomel? I'm afraid now that I'm on it, if I go off, I'll gain more weight. Right now its like I'm at a stand still.

 

[crazyfool405]

I have been off it. Thats the problem.

I hear what you're saying but can't they do a blood test for acth and cortisol levels while still on cytomel? I'm afraid now that I'm on it, if I go off, I'll gain more weight. Right now its like I'm at a stand still.

if your off the prednisone thats a good thing, (prednisone will cause muscle catabolism)

you need to give your adrenals a break man,

your body has obviously been under a ton of stress

the only way to know your TRUE bloodwork is to come off everything (but dont be alarmed if your TSH is still low, you have been on T3 and it will take 8 weeks to recover on its own.)

this way you can get a basic outline of whats going on in your body.

 

[Xenabuffyfan]

if your off the prednisone thats a good thing, (prednisone will cause muscle catabolism)

you need to give your adrenals a break man,

your body has obviously been under a ton of stress

the only way to know your TRUE bloodwork is to come off everything (but dont be alarmed if your TSH is still low, you have been on T3 and it will take 8 weeks to recover on its own.) this way you can get a basic outline of whats going on in your body.

Yeah I will do that.

Yeah my body has been under a ton of stress. But its been stress in other ways as well to get to the point of where I was and to have it snatched away and not even know why.

I will take your advice but do you have a hypothesis/guess as to what may be causing the T3 to not be doing its job (even though the body is clearly recognizing it as an endogenous source)? I know I need more bloodwork and verification, but I didn't know if your guess matched mine (adrenal fatigue, although some symptoms don't match).

Oh and also 8 weeks to recover? I had always heard 2 to 3 weeks for function to return with the aid of 7 keto, coconut oil and olive leaf extract.

 

[DetroitHammer]

Yeah I will do that.

Yeah my body has been under a ton of stress. But its been stress in other ways as well to get to the point of where I was and to have it snatched away and not even know why.

I will take your advice but do you have a hypothesis/guess as to what may be causing the T3 to not be doing its job (even though the body is clearly recognizing it as an endogenous source)? I know I need more bloodwork and verification, but I didn't know if your guess matched mine (adrenal fatigue, although some symptoms don't match).

Oh and also 8 weeks to recover? I had always heard 2 to 3 weeks for function to return with the aid of 7 keto, coconut oil and olive leaf extract.

Make sure you ease off the dosage. Do NOT stop cold turkey. You need to ramp off Cytomel just like you would Prednisone. At 100mgs a day, it may take you two weeks to safely stop Cytomel. Prednisone will kill you. Besides being highly catabolic, it destroys your organs, immune system and upsets your homeostasis. You're lucky to still have a thyroid the way you've been drugged. If the Prednisone didn't kill it, the Cytomel will if you're not careful. You really need to back off the Cytomel slowly, get off everything, stay clean for a while then start a more prudent program to accomplish your goals.

 

[crazyfool405]

Yeah I will do that.

Yeah my body has been under a ton of stress. But its been stress in other ways as well to get to the point of where I was and to have it snatched away and not even know why.

I will take your advice but do you have a hypothesis/guess as to what may be causing the T3 to not be doing its job (even though the body is clearly recognizing it as an endogenous source)? I know I need more bloodwork and verification, but I didn't know if your guess matched mine (adrenal fatigue, although some symptoms don't match).

Oh and also 8 weeks to recover? I had always heard 2 to 3 weeks for function to return with the aid of 7 keto, coconut oil and olive leaf extract.

yea but you dont want to be on anything when you take your blood tests.

and i would reccomend guggul sterones as well as the above.

it may have just been the diet that needed to change along with taking stress off your body.

dont stop immedietly take 4 weeks to slowly ramp the dosing down 12.5mcg every 5 days or soo...

 

[joeymutz]

yea but you dont want to be on anything when you take your blood tests.

and i would reccomend guggul sterones as well as the above.

it may have just been the diet that needed to change along with taking stress off your body.

dont stop immedietly take 4 weeks to slowly ramp the dosing down 12.5mcg every 5 days or soo...

I've heard that it doesn't matter it you stop immediately. If your thyroid is shut down it's shut down, now i've also heard your thyroid doesn't shut down it's just lowered basically the same way your test lowers when your on a cycle. do you have any studies showing that you should ramp down? I'd like to get a definitive answer on this one.

 

[crazyfool405]

I've heard that it doesn't matter it you stop immediately. If your thyroid is shut down it's shut down, now i've also heard your thyroid doesn't shut down it's just lowered basically the same way your test lowers when your on a cycle. do you have any studies showing that you should ramp down? I'd like to get a definitive answer on this one.

technically you really dont have to.. the half life is 60 hours.

but like taking clen at a high dose the stoping immedietly you may get bloated (for whatever reason i dont know but it happens.)

better safe then sorry.

 

[Xenabuffyfan]

technically you really dont have to.. the half life is 60 hours.

but like taking clen at a high dose the stoping immedietly you may get bloated (for whatever reason i dont know but it happens.)

better safe then sorry.

You would be the perfect person to ask this. I have read several articles and reports regarding Clen's effect on reducing the conversion of t4 into t3. However is this article based on actual medical data or rumor like the "t3 will shut down your thyroid forever" myth?

If so, can deiodinase function from Clen use be recovered? May be a silly question but most products stimulate thyroidal action into releasing tsh and t4 but besides Ephedrine/caffeine stack I don't know of anything that increases t3 conversion.

 

[crazyfool405]

You would be the perfect person to ask this. I have read several articles and reports regarding Clen's effect on reducing the conversion of t4 into t3. However is this article based on actual medical data or rumor like the "t3 will shut down your thyroid forever" myth?

If so, can deiodinase function from Clen use be recovered? May be a silly question but most products stimulate thyroidal action into releasing tsh and t4 but besides Ephedrine/caffeine stack I don't know of anything that increases t3 conversion.

according to dan duchaine clen lowers T3 levels.

things that increase thyroid conversion are breaks from normal dieting patterns.

you can use guggulsterones to help the uptake of iodine in the thyroid to work better and recover faster.