It Is Here- AN's Write-Up for 2009's Biggest Product!!!!!!

[bslick69b]

What if I was really pissed off at my liver? Like what if my liver stole fifty bucks from me and then slept with my girlfriend while I was at work? :lol:

bwahahahaha!:lol:...i would be pissed about the 50 bucks!:lol:

 

[Maverick60]

Looks good guys. Hoped for a non methyl, but this will kick ass anyway. Ive never been a big fan of this type of thing, because I always thought Id rather just stick myself, but if this one pans out Ill jump on it. Cant wait to see people run it!

 

[TexasLifter89]

Looks good guys. Hoped for a non methyl, but this will kick ass anyway. Ive never been a big fan of this type of thing, because I always thought Id rather just stick myself, but if this one pans out Ill jump on it. Cant wait to see people run it!

sounds good brotha!:nutkick:

 

[Silver3CSRT8]

This sounds like a winner. It will be a while before I could run it since I just started a 5 week cycle, but I am always looking for the next ONE.

 

[rms80]

Hard to retain gains made, assuming one runs a good PCT?

Much rage/edginess from it?

Joint pain?

Sounds like H-Drol in a way with the AI properties and low side and minimal shutdown.

no- actually not hard at all to keep gains

product amps your nervous system- rage no, edginess, not really- you just feel "up" all the time- it has some potent mood-enhancing effects

one tester noticed minor joint stiffness, but the others did not

as for H-Drol- kind of, but not really- H-Drol or 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol is a test. deriv.and a halogenated androgen- The One is a DHT deriv. H-Drol has a 3-hydroxyl substituted for the 3-keto-, while The One has a 3-oxime substitued for the 3-keto. The substitution of the 3-oxime makes this compound unique- binding proteins (shbg) have little or no affinity for oximes- meaning that the molecule can reach skeletal muscle much more effaciously- and DHT has a 3 to 5x more potent effect than test. once bound to the AR.......

 

[rms80]

But RMS, You haven't answered the REAL question thats on everyones lips.....CAN YOU GET IT TO US GOOD OL AUSSIE BOYS???!!!!! quick, before customs put it on their rather long S**T list.

gonna be hard- TGA does not play...

 

[rms80]

Is it dangerous to stack this with other methylated compounds?

Also would stacking this with other DHT compounds be beneficial?

I would not stack this with other methyls or DHT compounds- and you probably won't even need to.....

 

[rms80]

I believe you said in the write up to follow a diet plan 500 cals above maintenance....curious what the highest level above maintenance calories a tester went and still saw noticeable fat loss

about 500 kcals above maintenance was the max for any fat loss- anything above, body fat levels stayed unchanged- I think the highest someone went was 1000 kcals above maintenance per day

 

[Chub]

You guys got the art work for the bottle sorted yet? Any teasers or do we have to wait till it's released?

 

[rms80]

So from he information thus far it would mainly be utilized in a bulk yes? Would it work well in a cut too (I know a lot of that is diet dependent.)?

Very interested in this....I think I will have to pick some up for sure. I love AN!

it can- simply increase the kcals to 1000 or 1500 over maintenance- that would be some insane results!!!!

 

[rms80]

You guys got the art work for the bottle sorted yet? Any teasers or do we have to wait till it's released?

We do- we are going to save that for another day- this is not the only big announcement- there are some really cool things that we will be doing with this launch- and you guys are going to get hooked up really good- so stay tuned

plus, we have some crazy new products planned behind this launch- something that EVERYBODY will like, one way or another

PS- label and capsules look hot!!!!!

 

[OzzY SluGGa]

gonna be hard- TGA does not play...

Well, whoever TGA is....screw you!
But then cause pro hormones have never been allowed here, I have no knowledge bout them whatsoever. So maybe a good thing, because knowing myself, I would bindly take this just for gains without really knowing possible health consequences. I certainly dont know how to PCT or anything. Strongest thing I have had is Powerfull(on it now) so maybe customs are saving me from myself. Still, I feel like a kid who had his toy taken from him :-(

 

[nosnmiveins]

i responded poorly to Mdrol and this may seem up to par with it. i really want to get me some of this

 

[Enigma76]

no bloat, some glycogen retention, but this is common to most dht derivatives (and most orals in general). retention of gains was fairly impressive, with proper supplementation- glycogen retention is not the main reason for the larger-type gains- or else carb spillover would have eventually occurred, and we would have started seeing sub-q water (even though it does not aromatize)- did not see any spillover in any cases

no bloodwork yet- completely novel, so this may take a while to filter in

some libido increases, some no change, but none decreased

large appetite increases in some testers, but no increase or decrease in a couple of the others

Thanks for the response. Curious about your thoughts as to the "larger-type gains" not being mostly glycogen retention (not saying this is a bad thing)? You think most of it is actual skeletal muscle gains?

I figured as much about the bloodwork...I'm sure you have it already pinned down, but I'd be interested in ALT/AST values and a CBC. Sounds and looks relatively mild RE sides, but as we know transient liver damage is hard to feel/see.

Great news on the lack of libido loss. Anyone experiencing any testicular atrophy or the like?

 

[TexasLifter89]

Well, whoever TGA is....screw you!
But then cause pro hormones have never been allowed here, I have no knowledge bout them whatsoever. So maybe a good thing, because knowing myself, I would bindly take this just for gains without really knowing possible health consequences. I certainly dont know how to PCT or anything. Strongest thing I have had is Powerfull(on it now) so maybe customs are saving me from myself. Still, I feel like a kid who had his toy taken from him :-(

move to US! haha. Solution right there! Although queensland is a beauty

 

[jlh154]

it can- simply increase the kcals to 1000 or 1500 over maintenance- that would be some insane results!!!!

I am also interested if it could be used to cut. Would it be worth it?

 

[donorrell]

Kind of dissapointed, I thought you guys at AN don't go the hormonal route, but I guess I was wrong. Anyways best of luck to you guys and your products.

We hadn't until we could come up with one that fulfilled all of our requirements. We've never made any declarations that we wouldn't go the prohormone route, just that our products have to be safe, effective, and do exactly what they say they'll do.

This checks off all those boxes and then some. That said, it's probably safe to say we're not going to go crazy releasing a dozen versions of PH, as good ones like this are very hard to come by.

 

[The Tanya]

Well, whoever TGA is....screw you!
But then cause pro hormones have never been allowed here, I have no knowledge bout them whatsoever. So maybe a good thing, because knowing myself, I would bindly take this just for gains without really knowing possible health consequences. I certainly dont know how to PCT or anything. Strongest thing I have had is Powerfull(on it now) so maybe customs are saving me from myself. Still, I feel like a kid who had his toy taken from him :-(

TGA (Australia) is the equivalent of our FDA. I would think that individual orders would not get hung up in customs. I believe your allowed up to 400.00 for personal use. You'll want to try this one....Any follow up after the cycle-we'll help you out.

 

[rms80]

Well, whoever TGA is....screw you!
But then cause pro hormones have never been allowed here, I have no knowledge bout them whatsoever. So maybe a good thing, because knowing myself, I would bindly take this just for gains without really knowing possible health consequences. I certainly dont know how to PCT or anything. Strongest thing I have had is Powerfull(on it now) so maybe customs are saving me from myself. Still, I feel like a kid who had his toy taken from him :-(

Therapeutic Goods Administration- last I heard- they were trying to ban drinking/alcohol in Australia

 

[OzzY SluGGa]

move to US! haha. Solution right there! Although queensland is a beauty

Dude, i would love to! I went to US for 6 weeks (hawaii and Texas) I was such a hit with the ladies man I felt like a rock star. American chicks DIG the accent. If I could believe me I would....

 

[OzzY SluGGa]

Therapeutic Goods Administration- last I heard- they were trying to ban drinking/alcohol in Australia

HAHAHA, well considering thats a national religion over here and we drink more beer per head/per cap than any country in the world good luck with that.....

 

[TexasLifter89]

Dude, i would love to! I went to US for 6 weeks (hawaii and Texas) I was such a hit with the ladies man I felt like a rock star. American chicks DIG the accent. If I could believe me I would....

texas is the place! haha. I want to move out to north carolina/ west virginia area though when I get out of university. I used to live on the outter banks out there and it was awesome!

 

[The Tanya]

Kind of dissapointed, I thought you guys at AN don't go the hormonal route, but I guess I was wrong. Anyways best of luck to you guys and your products.

Andrew,

We have more to come in this year....Hang in there with us. We aim to please all pallets!

 

[BuddyBuilder]

Looks good. Definatly gonna be trying this one out

 

[bslick69b]

Dude, i would love to! I went to US for 6 weeks (hawaii and Texas) I was such a hit with the ladies man I felt like a rock star. American chicks DIG the accent. If I could believe me I would....

you came here to hawaii and was such a hit with the ladys man:think:..wait a mintute im the ladys man!:lol:

 

[rms80]

Thanks for the response. Curious about your thoughts as to the "larger-type gains" not being mostly glycogen retention (not saying this is a bad thing)? You think most of it is actual skeletal muscle gains?

I figured as much about the bloodwork...I'm sure you have it already pinned down, but I'd be interested in ALT/AST values and a CBC. Sounds and looks relatively mild RE sides, but as we know transient liver damage is hard to feel/see.

Great news on the lack of libido loss. Anyone experiencing any testicular atrophy or the like?

I would say at least some is skeletal muscle gain- but I can't quantify- I can just give you the results of our testers

I have an interesting insight about ALT/AST values and orals- they are always compared to ALP on blood tests, and from what I have seen, just about everything raises ALP (icariin and cissus are two notable compounds you may be familiar with)- and I have seen ALT/AST values also increase from a number of OTC sources and supplements- not saying the test is useless- but I have seen these values be all over the place from many OTC sources.....I think most orals may have gotten a bad rap on this one, at least from what I have seen- moderation in longevity and dose is the key, as always....

none of the testers complained about a hard shutdown, and from some of the data I have seen on oximes, and some DHT derivs.- I have seen some encouraging things from this aspect- but w/o a blood test, this is more of an educated hypothesis/theory

 

[Rosie Chee]

Well, whoever TGA is....screw you!
But then cause pro hormones have never been allowed here, I have no knowledge bout them whatsoever. So maybe a good thing, because knowing myself, I would bindly take this just for gains without really knowing possible health consequences. I certainly dont know how to PCT or anything. Strongest thing I have had is Powerfull(on it now) so maybe customs are saving me from myself. Still, I feel like a kid who had his toy taken from him :-(

As Tanya said, if you were to use this, we would help you out re PCT and information, etc. However, you should NEVER blindly take ANYthing. ALWAYS do your own research first, and know what and WHY you are taking something! Anything less would be irresponsible and people who do that is why such products get bad rep.

 

[rms80]

I am also interested if it could be used to cut. Would it be worth it?

yes

 

[TheUnlikelyToad]

So it's fair to assume there is a 6-Bromo product in tha works?

 

[OzzY SluGGa]

you came here to hawaii and was such a hit with the ladys man:think:..wait a mintute im the ladys man!:lol:

HAha, there's plenty to go round. Actually it was more Texas they went wild for the accent, I LOVE Texas girls, they are cute as hell. Hawaii they seemed fairly used to tourists. God damn, stunning place though dude. You live in Paradise.:thumbsup:
PS a Mexican dude in Texas gave me $20 U.S for my $5 Aussie note. He couldn't believe how our money is coloured! :lol:

 

[bslick69b]

HAha, there's plenty to go round. Actually it was more Texas they went wild for the accent, I LOVE Texas girls, they are cute as hell. Hawaii they seemed fairly used to tourists. God damn, stunning place though dude. You live in Paradise.:thumbsup:
PS a Mexican dude in Texas gave me $20 U.S for my $5 Aussie note. He couldn't believe how our money is coloured! :lol:

ahh. the color of money!:thumbsup:

 

[OzzY SluGGa]

As Tanya said, if you were to use this, we would help you out re PCT and information, etc. However, you should NEVER blindly take ANYthing. ALWAYS do your own research first, and know what and WHY you are taking something! Anything less would be irresponsible and people who do that is why such products get bad rep.

Indeed, I agree. I was exaggerating. To be clearer, I just mean i have no experience with pro hormones(thats what the one is correct) so would have to start from scratch with research. All those long words RMS uses may as well be in Japanese for me! lol.
As for help, no doubt. I find the people on this board, extremely friendly, helpful and very intelligent.
PS we are gonna kick your butt in the cricket over here this year:lol:

 

[Hank Vangut]

none of the testers complained about a hard shutdown, and from some of the data I have seen on oximes, and some DHT derivs.- I have seen some encouraging things from this aspect- but w/o a blood test, this is more of an educated hypothesis/theory

if it resembles proviron then it should have very minimal HPTA impact with no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels.
and possibly even raise LH levels.

 

[rms80]

So it's fair to assume there is a 6-Bromo product in tha works?

maybe- I am a fan- I have messed with it some over the last 5-7 months as far as prod. dev.- but nothing definitive yet.....lot of possibilities

 

[rms80]

As Tanya said, if you were to use this, we would help you out re PCT and information, etc. However, you should NEVER blindly take ANYthing. ALWAYS do your own research first, and know what and WHY you are taking something! Anything less would be irresponsible and people who do that is why such products get bad rep.

great post, as always!

 

[Rucksdaddy]

Looks interesting.

 

[Rosie Chee]

Indeed, I agree. I was exaggerating. To be clearer, I just mean i have no experience with pro hormones(thats what the one is correct) so would have to start from scratch with research. All those long words RMS uses may as well be in Japanese for me! lol.
As for help, no doubt. I find the people on this board, extremely friendly, helpful and very intelligent.
PS we are gonna kick your butt in the cricket over here this year:lol:

Yes, The ONE is a PH. As long as you're thorough, you can be fairly safe.

Yes, the boards are a good place to start. I also suggest journals and the literature, etc. (i.e. not just a Google search).

PS. Do I seem like I care about cricket? Aside from whopping your Aussie arse :toofunny:

 

[Enigma76]

I would say at least some is skeletal muscle gain- but I can't quantify- I can just give you the results of our testers

I have an interesting insight about ALT/AST values and orals- they are always compared to ALP on blood tests, and from what I have seen, just about everything raises ALP (icariin and cissus are two notable compounds you may be familiar with)- and I have seen ALT/AST values also increase from a number of OTC sources and supplements- not saying the test is useless- but I have seen these values be all over the place from many OTC sources.....I think most orals may have gotten a bad rap on this one, at least from what I have seen- moderation in longevity and dose is the key, as always....

none of the testers complained about a hard shutdown, and from some of the data I have seen on oximes, and some DHT derivs.- I have seen some encouraging things from this aspect- but w/o a blood test, this is more of an educated hypothesis/theory

Thanks again for answering my pointed questions, much obliged! I'm very excited for this, and am really looking to delve into the science/medical aspects of it first.

ALP, from my limited knowledge thusfar, isn't that useful without other comparative bloodwork profiles (such as comparing it to ALT/AST versus CA/PO to determine if its coming from the liver or from bone). ALT/AST levels also transiently increase from chronic muscle damage, such as excessive exercise, so they aren't specific to the liver. However, they are fairly good indicators of liver damage.

I really feel like the liver damage aspects of orals has been over-kill as well. I feel like it is more of a duration of use thing. Realistically, ALT and ASTs can hit the thousands, so I've never understood what all the fuss was when a compound raised them slightly. M1T I can understand (I think SS's bloodwork showed over 200 for both, right?), but these other designers I think its overblown. I mean, taking 4g of tylenol a day will raise your LPs pretty good (4g is the max daily dose recommended, thats 8 of the extra-strength tabs).

Personally, I'm more concerned with the cholesterol effects of the strong designers, as it is much harder to correct lipid imbalances (just the nature of the beast, takes longer to fix) than liver damage.

Also, where are the testers in their cycles? Are they into PCT? How many weeks?

 

[ari4216]

wow, i didnt expect this out of AN

why did you reccomend 6-bromodione for the ai?

and would that be suffient enought for PCT?

and are you probally coming out with your own PCT supplement to corresponds with this?

 

[MentalTwitch]

I guess its good timing to compete with Dymethazine by iForce that is being released soon.

Not to be a **** but im sure ill get negged for this, why can you post this in the supp section? But all PH/AAS info goes steroid section? I see it over there too.
Is this ok for under 21? Thats why im asking...

 

[OzzY SluGGa]

Yes, The ONE is a PH. As long as you're thorough, you can be fairly safe.

Yes, the boards are a good place to start. I also suggest journals and the literature, etc. (i.e. not just a Google search).

PS. Do I seem like I care about cricket? Aside from whopping your Aussie arse :toofunny:

Yeah, I been reading bout them on google all morning, but it is all negative, they only seem to wanna talk bout what happens from an substance abuse stand point. And the negative effects. I will keep looking.
Im sitting around 100-102 kg anyway, im not looking for a whole lot more. I think one 5 week cycle would do me nicely( chest? hello can I get a chest over here please?) i would abstain from alcohol during that time as well.
Still, my Kiwi friend, all just musings really. At end of day if I buy and it gets seized its all irrelevant. I will try anyway though.....nothing ventured, nothing gained!:head:
bring it customs! on Guard:duel:

 

[rms80]

Thanks again for answering my pointed questions, much obliged! I'm very excited for this, and am really looking to delve into the science/medical aspects of it first.

ALP, from my limited knowledge thusfar, isn't that useful without other comparative bloodwork profiles (such as comparing it to ALT/AST versus CA/PO to determine if its coming from the liver or from bone). ALT/AST levels also transiently increase from chronic muscle damage, such as excessive exercise, so they aren't specific to the liver. However, they are fairly good indicators of liver damage.

I really feel like the liver damage aspects of orals has been over-kill as well. I feel like it is more of a duration of use thing. Realistically, ALT and ASTs can hit the thousands, so I've never understood what all the fuss was when a compound raised them slightly. M1T I can understand (I think SS's bloodwork showed over 200 for both, right?), but these other designers I think its overblown. I mean, taking 4g of tylenol a day will raise your LPs pretty good (4g is the max daily dose recommended, thats 8 of the extra-strength tabs).

Personally, I'm more concerned with the cholesterol effects of the strong designers, as it is much harder to correct lipid imbalances (just the nature of the beast, takes longer to fix) than liver damage.

Also, where are the testers in their cycles? Are they into PCT? How many weeks?

you came to the right place- I dumped the rest of my schedule for the day to answer questions- I knew everyone would have a bunch

yes- they are decent liver damage indicators- but high levels of AST/ALT can come from a lot of different sources (you mentioned muscle damage)- and yes- 8 tylenol a day will send both over 200, just like a fifth of jack probably would

As far as lipid imbalances- smart man- happens to a certain extent with any oral- but I can tell you one thing- the alterations are temporary, and a higher fiber diet, lots of fruits and vegetables, a GOOD anti-oxidant formula, plus fish oil drastically reduces or eliminates any issues concerning this.

point is- they are pretty easy to throw out of whack- and you are correct- it is a duration-of-use issue- this compound is a DREAM for pulsing orals

testers are in their PCT (except for 2 who are still on it)- they have kept roughly 75% of their gains, on average


I am a harm-reduction advocate- hence the reason for all the recommendations concerning the compound. I understand people are going to make certain choices concerning supplementation, nutrition, PHs, etc.- and people are going to do what they are going to do, period. My job is to help them do it in the safest possible manner, not to judge them for doing it :lol:

 

[rms80]

wow, i didnt expect this out of AN

why did you reccomend 6-bromodione for the ai?

and would that be suffient enought for PCT?

and are you probally coming out with your own PCT supplement to corresponds with this?

I like 6-bromo- good molecule- especially the beta isomer (alpha is not bad, either)- lot of good feedback- and I have had access to some bloodwork of people who have used it- good results!!

but I haven't decided if we are going to do a PCT supp yet-I will say that I have used 6-bromo 50 mg/day as part of pct, and it has worked extremely well in terms of recovery and the retention of gains

 

[rms80]

I guess its good timing to compete with Dymethazine by iForce that is being released soon.

Not to be a **** but im sure ill get negged for this, why can you post this in the supp section? But all PH/AAS info goes steroid section? I see it over there too.
Is this ok for under 21? Thats why im asking...

b/c it is a new product release


21 ok- 18, can be argued either way- under 18, no ****ing way

 

[donorrell]

I am a harm-reduction advocate- hence the reason for all the recommendations concerning the compound. I understand people are going to make certain choices concerning supplementation, nutrition, PHs, etc.- and people are going to do what they are going to do, period. My job is to help them do it in the safest possible manner, not to judge them for doing it :lol:

Words we live by right there. Very well put.

Off topic: My first day of dieting and i keep seeingizza:

 

[TexasLifter89]

Words we live by right there. Very well put.

Off topic: My first day of dieting and i keep seeingizza:

go for a tune, broccoli, and green bean stir fry using EVOO...its good stuff and filling.

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

go for a tune, broccoli, and green bean stir fry using EVOO...its good stuff and filling.

totally off topic, but on that note...

any green vegetable...

put it in a skillet, coat pan with EVOO, dump soy sauce over all the veggies, sprinkle garlic powder on.. brown to your liking. It's THE shizzle fo' rizzle.

 

[AE14]

let me say this, I am in for a log anytime AN. Looks awesome

 

[ari4216]

b/c it is a new product release


21 ok- 18, can be argued either way- under 18, no ****ing way

good way to put it.

its up to people to decide whether they want to take it.

But i think anabolicminds set a standard in telling anyone whos under 21,they cant take compounds of this nature.

i see the 2 main reasoning, usually people in this age group dont have enought lifting experience,just want a quick boost, and are not mentally ready to do a cycle correctly.

also if you havent finished puberty,which is even more important. because you can stop height growth and mess up your hpta among other things.

Some people are still in puberty from 18-21, but correct me if im wrong doesnt it usually begin at 12-13 and end at 15-18?



ALSO

what is this compund classifed, im getting confused. i hear some people saying ph, ps...Its a pro-steriod, not a prohormone,No?
Is it already active, or does it convert?

 

[rms80]

totally off topic, but on that note...

any green vegetable...

put it in a skillet, coat pan with EVOO, dump soy sauce over all the veggies, sprinkle garlic powder on.. brown to your liking. It's THE shizzle fo' rizzle.

good post- cumin or turmeric is good as well- and as far as grains- I love quinoa....

blueberries go well with just about anything too